Women in Leadership Positions in the Church

[GallagherM]

Yes it is what was meant; you all have a good night and May the grace of the Lord Yeshua the anointed one be with you and your families. Thank you for your time.

 

[CatsRule2020]

Perhaps if there were more women (consecrated, spiritual women) in leadership positions in the Church, there would be fewer sex scandals in the Church. I'm not a women's libber, I don't think women should be in active combat in the military or be firemen or policemen...or security at prisons...but I really don't see what makes a man a better Pastor, especially these days?

I don't think that it is whether a woman can be as good of a Pastor as a man. I think the New Testament writers were trying to make the point that the male and female nature's have differences that make the male nature more suited to be a Pastor.

 

[zippy2006]

HIM, I believe that was the CUSTOM of the day, and STILL IS the CUSTOM of the DAY in those Countries....I feel very sorry for women in those Countries.

Obviously, there were women Prophets in the Bible. What good would it have done for God to give a woman a Prophecy and then she not be able to share it with the Church all because she was a woman???

The difficulty is that Paul says the same thing in his letter to the Corinthians, and there he explicitly affirms that it is the revealed word of the Lord rather than a custom of the day or his own personal opinion. Those who reject this teaching reject the inerrancy of Scripture:

As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. What! Did the word of God originate with you, or are you the only ones it has reached?

If any one thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that what I am writing to you is a command of the Lord. If any one does not recognize this, he is not recognized.

(1 Corinthians 14:33-38)​

 

[Christsfreeservant]

HIM, I believe that was the CUSTOM of the day, and STILL IS the CUSTOM of the DAY in those Countries....I feel very sorry for women in those Countries.

Obviously, there were women Prophets in the Bible. What good would it have done for God to give a woman a Prophecy and then she not be able to share it with the Church all because she was a woman???

The Lord Jesus has given me several writings on this subject. I will share the links here if anyone is interested in reading them. These same writings are on CFS, too, in the devotional section, and can be found according to the same dates if you prefer to read them on here and comment on here.

Women in Ministry

Honoring of Women

Faithful to His Design

 

[topher694]

1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

I'm curious. Are you "Charismatic" in your personal praise & prayer? Meaning are you the type that would dance or at least raise your hands while praising or praying?

 

[ForHimbyHim]

Let me sit here for this one. Would love to hear opinions on this. And in terms of leadership, are we talking elders, pastors or deacons?

 

[Paidiske]

And in terms of leadership, are we talking elders, pastors or deacons?

A lot will depend on the frameworks of ministry in different denominations. I'm a woman who's a priest, for example, but in many denominations that term isn't used.

 

[The Narrow Way]

Let me sit here for this one. Would love to hear opinions on this. And in terms of leadership, are we talking elders, pastors or deacons?

How about all 3

 

[trophy33]

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[trophy33]

"....as also saith the law." WHAT LAW? If it was God's Law, please show me that Law from the Bible. I don't believe it was God's Law. I believe it was a law made by men at that time.

Which law was Paul referring to in 1 Corinthians 14:34?

 

[The Narrow Way]

Which law was Paul referring to in 1 Corinthians 14:34?

That is a good point, Myst ~ I believe it's the SAME LAW, MAN'S LAW, not God's Law, that Paul was referring to in the other verse. If it was God's Law, we should be able to find it in the Old Testament.

 

[trophy33]

That is a good point, Myst ~ I believe it's the SAME LAW, MAN'S LAW, not God's Law, that Paul was referring to in the other verse. If it was God's Law, we should be able to find it in the Old Testament.

I posted the link not to give a specific post, but rather as a link to a discussion about it. There are various points made in there.

Anyway, its not that hard to find in the OT that women should be in submission to men, its in Genesis.

I do not think Paul would make a reference to some local country's law, he never did it. He always argued either with Mosaic Law or with natural law that is obvious to general population.

 

[zippy2006]

I posted the link not to give a specific post, but rather as a link to a discussion about it. There are various points made in there.

Anyway, its not that hard to find in the OT that women should be in submission to men, its in Genesis.

I do not think Paul would make a reference to some local country's law, he never did it. He always argued either with Mosaic Law or with natural law that is obvious to general population.

Right, and Paul cements his point in 1 Cor 14:36-38 where he explicitly says that it is a command of the Lord. If you believe in the inerrancy of Scripture, and you accept the writings of Paul as canonical (as all Christians do), then you cannot ignore these verses.

 

[The Narrow Way]

I posted the link not to give a specific post, but rather as a link to a discussion about it. There are various points made in there.

Anyway, its not that hard to find in the OT that women should be in submission to men, its in Genesis.

I do not think Paul would make a reference to some local country's law, he never did it. He always argued either with Mosaic Law or with natural law that is obvious to general population.

So can you show me in the Bible THAT LAW?

 

[topher694]

It's sad. This topic always ends the same.

 

[zippy2006]

It's sad. This topic always ends the same.

One of the strongest Christian values is the infallibility of Scripture. One of the strongest modern values is the absolute equality of men and women. It's no wonder that Modern Christians are schizophrenic on questions such as women's ordination.

 

[topher694]

One of the strongest Christian values is the infallibility of Scripture. One of the strongest modern values is the absolute equality of men and women. It's no wonder that Modern Christians are schizophrenic on questions such as women's ordination.

Yet both sides so often fall into error while expressing said values. The infallibility of scripture folks inevitably violate several basic scriptural principles in remarkably hypocritical ways while gleefully proclaiming their scriptural superiority. And the other side falls into all sorts of traps like conflating equally with sameness.

 

[HARK!]

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[Clare73]

Yeah, that's one spot where Paul's thinking seems muddled. How was Adam not deceived? Or, did he eat knowing full well he shouldn't? If so, that is worse! Sorry, that line of reasoning doesn't work, at all.

He did know, but he didn't want to lose Eve, they were two-in-one-flesh.

That's not just terminology in a perfect sinless world.

Eve is the one who put him in the horrible spot of having to choose between two institutions from God, his comand and his wife . . .because she was deceived, or she would not have done that to him.

 

[Clare73]

God’s word does not work for ya? Okay take care.

That is what it boils down to. . .the divine wisdom of the God-breathed Scriptures (2 Timothy 3:16),
or the subjective and human wisdom of fallen man.

It's not complicated.