Women in Leadership Positions in the Church

[The Narrow Way]

Perhaps if there were more women (consecrated, spiritual women) in leadership positions in the Church, there would be fewer sex scandals in the Church. I'm not a women's libber, I don't think women should be in active combat in the military or be firemen or policemen...or security at prisons...but I really don't see what makes a man a better Pastor, especially these days?

 

[pescador]

Perhaps if there were more women (consecrated, spiritual women) in leadership positions in the Church, there would be fewer sex scandals in the Church. I'm not a women's libber, I don't think women should be in active combat in the military or be firemen or policemen...or security at prisons...but I really don't see what makes a man a better Pastor, especially these days?

I don't know you added the irrelevant "I'm not a women's libber, I don't think women should be in active combat in the military or be firemen or policemen...or security at prisons..." but I agree with the rest of your post.

 

[public hermit]

I really don't see what makes a man a better Pastor, especially these days?

I agree in that there is nothing about a man qua man that could make one a better pastor than a woman. The heart is what matters. I know some wonderful pastors who are not men. Plus, let's be honest, women often do everything else so they might as well be leading in front, too.

 

[Ahermit]

Perhaps if there were more women (consecrated, spiritual women) in leadership positions in the Church, there would be fewer sex scandals in the Church...

Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
Evil's main goal is to distract people (regardless of gender) from God.

 

[HIM]

1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

 

[public hermit]

1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Yeah, that's one spot where Paul's thinking seems muddled. How was Adam not deceived? Or, did he eat knowing full well he shouldn't? If so, that is worse! Sorry, that line of reasoning doesn't work, at all.

 

[HIM]

Yeah, that's one spot where Paul's thinking seems muddled. How was Adam not deceived? Or, did he eat knowing full well he shouldn't? If so, that is worse! Sorry, that line of reasoning doesn't work, at all.

God’s word does not work for ya? Okay take care.

 

[The Narrow Way]

1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

HIM, I believe that was the CUSTOM of the day, and STILL IS the CUSTOM of the DAY in those Countries....I feel very sorry for women in those Countries.

Obviously, there were women Prophets in the Bible. What good would it have done for God to give a woman a Prophecy and then she not be able to share it with the Church all because she was a woman???

 

[pescador]

1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

And..? Since we're not living 2000+ years ago in the Mediterranean society and we're not under the Law, what's your point?

Galatians 3:28, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female—for all of you are one in Christ Jesus."

 

[HIM]

HIM, I believe that was the CUSTOM of the day, and STILL IS the CUSTOM of the DAY in those Countries....I feel very sorry for women in those Countries.

Obviously, there were women Prophets in the Bible. What good would it have done for God to give a woman a Prophecy and then she not be able to share it with the Church all because she was a woman???

Hello friend, Sharing and prophesying is not the issue. God through Paul gave the reason for his statement in verse 12 in verse13 and it was not due to customs.
1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Most who profess are not. With that in mind...
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[public hermit]

God’s word does not work for ya? Okay take care.

I'm open to understanding how his argument does work, assuming that it does. I assume you think it does. Why do you think it's convincing? By the way, if you respond that it works because it's God's word, I'll take that as a tacit confession that you don't know.

 

[HIM]

And..? Since we're not living 2000+ years ago in the Mediterranean society and we're not under the Law, what's your point?

Galatians 3:28, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female—for all of you are one in Christ Jesus."

The law which is now part of us has nothing and everything to do with it.

However The quote is to the Body of Christ not Judeans.
1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Galatians does not apply to all who profess. Most are not what they say.

 

[The Narrow Way]

Hello friend, Sharing and prophesying is not the issue. God through Paul gave the reason for his statement in verse 12 in verse13 and it was not due to customs.
1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Most who profess are not. With that in mind...
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Hello HIM, nice to meet you . I believe the passage you quoted goes right along with this passage ~Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law." 1 Corinthians 14:34. And it's the last part that sheds light on this ~

"....as also saith the law." WHAT LAW? If it was God's Law, please show me that Law from the Bible. I don't believe it was God's Law. I believe it was a law made by men at that time.

 

[HIM]

I'm open to understanding how his argument does work, assuming that it does. I assume you think it does. Why do you think it's convincing? By the way, if you respond that it works because it's God's word, I'll take that as a tacit confession that you don't know.

You have no standard so there is no reason to continue

Take care

 

[HIM]

Hello HIM, nice to meet you . I believe the passage you quoted goes right along with this passage ~Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law." 1 Corinthians 14:34. And it's the last part that sheds light on this ~

"....as also saith the law." WHAT LAW? If it was God's Law, please show me that Law from the Bible. I don't believe it was God's Law. I believe it was a law made by men at that time.

Happy Sabbath Friend,
Paul gave the reason right there with the passage shared in 1 Tim. Eve was deceived. That is a fact.


In respect to your question my friend in regards 1 Cor. The Torah, the Law saith.
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Withal that is 1Tim and 1Corinthians it is apparent that this ruling over thing in respect to women and men includes the hierarchy within the church.

Personally I don't understand how being deceived is worse than Adam's outright disobedience but at the end of the day it is a thus saith the Lord.


But keep in mind
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[The Narrow Way]

Happy Sabbath Friend,
Paul gave the reason right there with the passage shared in 1 Tim. Eve was deceived. That is a fact.


In respect to your question my friend in regards 1 Cor. The Torah, the Law saith.
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Withal that is 1Tim and 1Corinthians it is apparent that this ruling over thing in respect to women and men includes the hierarchy within the church.

Personally I don't understand how being deceived is worse than Adam's outright disobedience but at the end of the day it is a thus saith the Lord.

I think that is where we differ . I believe that Genesis 3:16 applies to the MARRIAGE. Eve was to be submissive to Adam and the wife to the husband from then on.... I don't believe that carries over to THE CHURCH. I'm not called to be submissive to another woman's husband. , I'm called to be submissive to MY HUSBAND.

And a wonderful Sabbath to you, too!

 

[public hermit]

You have no standard so there is no reason to continue

Take care

You are unable to explain why Paul's argument should make sense. Your ad hominem critique of me and your retreat is duly noted.

 

[Religiot]

Perhaps if there were more women (consecrated, spiritual women) in leadership positions in the Church, there would be fewer sex scandals in the Church. I'm not a women's libber, I don't think women should be in active combat in the military or be firemen or policemen...or security at prisons...but I really don't see what makes a man a better Pastor, especially these days?

The question is malformed, in that it presupposes that God allows for women to be pastors.

 

[GallagherM]

Who is to say that a woman can not do the same thing as a man? They are both Adam. (In retorts to scandals)… have seen plenty of murder cases involving women; also remember some on the news with teacher sleeping with students or whatever for just simple examples.

Teaching doesn’t bother me personally. Never seen a woman teach me anything in church or really necessarily anything about God. In my own life.

What have you seen and heard?

 

[Albion]

Who is to say that a woman can not do the same thing as a man?

If by that you mean a woman is as capable as a man, you're right about that and few people would deny it.

But that isn't the issue.

God is entirely qualified to select different groups of people for different assignments in his church, just as we know that he had one group who were his "chosen people." No doubt there were intelligent and god-fearing people in other tribes, races, and ethnic groups, but we never hear anybody arguing that God didn't have the right to choose the Jews instead of some other bloc of humans for that role.