Gay Christians

[Tellyontellyon]

There seem to be more and more churches that are willing to see being gay as ok and also offer gay marriage. For example the Methodists in the UK recently voted to support gay marriage.

I know there are two sides in this debate and both have their own way of interpreting scripture and understanding the context of the various Bible passages.

I was talking to a Methodist lay preacher earlier, he is going to stop his preaching and probably join a different church.

My question is.... Are these disagreements going to radically change more and more churches with new churches splitting off into for and against groups. Is Christianity heading into a totally new future?

 

[Albion]

My question is.... Are these disagreements going to radically change more and more churches with new churches splitting off into for and against groups. Is Christianity heading into a totally new future?

Probably not. At least not more often than normal.

For one thing, this is not a new issue. It's just that it came to a boil only recently with the Methodists, and they're a denomination that's important enough and large enough to make the media pay attention.

 

[Sketcher]

I think more splits are going to happen based on this issue, but I don't see a "whole new future" for Christianity. Christianity has been around for 2000 years and survived many schisms.

BTW, gay Christians who have conservative outlooks on homosexual behavior and the definition of marriage do exist. They're celibate by choice.

 

[returntosender]

Years ago my daughter and I decided to visit a church we used to attend. It didn't take more then a few minutes to realize it was a gay congregation. It was Methodist. We did find out that the church allowed them to have regular on and off services. We got up and left.
We should not succumb to those things that are clearly written against in the book.
This is why the world has come to this. Too many are folding to what is popular.

 

[Fervent]

There seem to be more and more churches that are willing to see being gay as ok and also offer gay marriage. For example the Methodists in the UK recently voted to support gay marriage.

I know there are two sides in this debate and both have their own way of interpreting scripture and understanding the context of the various Bible passages.

I was talking to a Methodist lay preacher earlier, he is going to stop his preaching and probably join a different church.

My question is.... Are these disagreements going to radically change more and more churches with new churches splitting off into for and against groups. Is Christianity heading into a totally new future?

Radically change? No, probably not. Churches have been splintering off on all manner of theological, moral, and social differences for centuries now and will likely continue until Christ returns. The mission remains the same, the message remains the same.

 

[Fervent]

Years ago my daughter and I decided to visit a church we used to attend. It didn't take more then a few minutes to realize it was a gay congregation. It was Methodist. We did find out that the church allowed them to have regular on and off services. We got up and left.
We should not succumb to those things that are clearly written against in the book.
This is why the world has come to this. Too many are folding to what is popular.

Were they preaching Christ crucified? What better place for the lost than in church?

 

[GallagherM]

Thankfully the last days was for that generation back then.

No sweating here.

Why do people find it hard to accept people if they are Gay? Or whatever sexuality they are... who cares, aren't we called to love others?

Yes the bible indicates that homosexuality as a sin... but haven't all of us sinned... do we not still sometimes today still sin when we fail to love God, and love our neighbor?

 

[HTacianas]

There seem to be more and more churches that are willing to see being gay as ok and also offer gay marriage. For example the Methodists in the UK recently voted to support gay marriage.

I know there are two sides in this debate and both have their own way of interpreting scripture and understanding the context of the various Bible passages.

I was talking to a Methodist lay preacher earlier, he is going to stop his preaching and probably join a different church.

My question is.... Are these disagreements going to radically change more and more churches with new churches splitting off into for and against groups. Is Christianity heading into a totally new future?

This might help you understand:

Jhn 15:5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.

Jhn 15:6 “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

You'll see more and more groups falling to secularization. It will probably look like the unwinding of Christian history.

 

[GallagherM]

Would abiding in Christ meaning to Love God and Love neighbour? @HTacianas

 

[Fervent]

Yes the bible indicates that homosexuality as a sin... but haven't all of us sinned... do we not still sometimes today still sin when we fail to love God, and love our neighbor?

We cannot use this as an excuse for permissiveness. God has set clear boundaries, and we are responsible for declaring them to the full.

 

[HTacianas]

Would abiding in Christ meaning to Love God and Love neighbour? @HTacianas

Of course it does.

 

[seeking.IAM]

... It didn't take more then a few minutes to realize it was a gay congregation. It was Methodist. We did find out that the church allowed them to have regular on and off services...

What are these "on and off services," of which you speak? I don't understand what you mean.

 

[GallagherM]

Of course it does.

Thanks and praise be to God who so loved the world that he sent his son.

It’s amazing how biased and absurd people can be towards one another because of their strict beliefs. Thank God that His Son paid all of sins, … that we can have thankfulness towards God and Love him first, then we will in return love others.

regardless of who they are and what they have done.

 

[HTacianas]

Thanks and praise be to God who so loved the world that he sent his son.

It’s amazing how biased and absurd people can be towards one another because of their strict beliefs. Thank God that His Son paid all of sins, … that we can have thankfulness towards God and Love him first, then we will in return love others.

regardless of who they are and what they have done.

There is a difference between what people have done and what they are doing. The first word of the gospel is "repent".

 

[GallagherM]

Of course and for a Christian to hate another person is not loving God. A human being has the individual freedom to do whatever they want, even as a Christian however not everything is beneficial and some things can lead you to Jail, or an early grave, or lead you to completely being spiritually dead (having no faith at all).

 

[Silly Uncle Wayne]

There seem to be more and more churches that are willing to see being gay as ok and also offer gay marriage. For example the Methodists in the UK recently voted to support gay marriage.

I know there are two sides in this debate and both have their own way of interpreting scripture and understanding the context of the various Bible passages.

I was talking to a Methodist lay preacher earlier, he is going to stop his preaching and probably join a different church.

My question is.... Are these disagreements going to radically change more and more churches with new churches splitting off into for and against groups. Is Christianity heading into a totally new future?

Not really, the history of the church is revival followed by gradual stagnation until another revival hits. When revival hits, the stagnant church generally resists it and falls by the wayside.

The Methodist church is a classic example of this - there are so many offshoots and splits that were caused by the parent church resisting the work of God: Primitive Methodists & Salvation Army are good examples of this.

I think this is something that will affect all established churches and some are going down the progressive route and some are staying true to God and the Bible (and I don't mean the kind that attacks gays or 'hates' them)

The question is what, what will you do?

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

There seem to be more and more churches that are willing to see being gay as ok and also offer gay marriage. For example the Methodists in the UK recently voted to support gay marriage.

I know there are two sides in this debate and both have their own way of interpreting scripture and understanding the context of the various Bible passages.

I was talking to a Methodist lay preacher earlier, he is going to stop his preaching and probably join a different church.

My question is.... Are these disagreements going to radically change more and more churches with new churches splitting off into for and against groups. Is Christianity heading into a totally new future?

"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.” (2 Timothy 4:3)

But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. (2 Timothy 3:1-5)

God is very clear in the Bible that homosexuality is sin. Not only that, but He also calls it abomination. Not only that, but God destroyed entire cities with fire and brimstone, because they practised homosexuality. That should tell you everything God thinks about homosexuality.

Of course all the false teachers instead of preaching the word of God are crowd pleasers. Gay marriage is absolutely not ok, I would run from such Church as if my life depended on it.

But we should be not surprised, there will be more and more false teachers before Christ returns. We should treat the Word of God as absolute authority and not only pick what suits us. Yes, they are some difficult things there, many that I did not like, but we should obey God even if it's hard and go against our believes, because that is not the kind of faith God requires.

Probably the most scary thing in the NT is 'Lord, Lord, have we not done all these things in your name?' and Jesus replies 'I never knew you, depart from me.' And I can see why. If Jesus indeed is close, there will be a huge apostasy in the Church. Many will fall away, but the body of Christ will prevail because they are the true Christians. I believe strongly, God is now separating the wise and foolish virgins from Matthew 25.

 

[The Narrow Way]

I was sent this video this evening....it sent CHILLS up me! I have 12 Grandbabies!

30 years ago, I watched a video called, "AIDES, WHAT YOU HAVEN"T BEEN TOLD." It was a REAL EYE-OPENER for me. Up until that time, I had the opinion that "whatever they want to do, long as they leave me and mine alone, who cares?" But after that video....I thought very different. They made it very clear on that video that they were doing EXACTLY as this video that someone sent me today said - THEY ARE COMING FOR OUR CHILDREN.

Here is the article that was sent me with the video in it ~San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus Hides ‘We'll Convert Your Children' Video After Backlash

 

[GallagherM]

Profound. There are those who love the darkness more than the light… as though that was not obvious… but can people change and come to Christ and have their heart renewed?

… at this point it is just something you have to ask yourself… all people have sinned you know.

No one in this life is perfect… People have have all sorts of problems. Especially hate towards other humans beings with no compassion.

Will humans say whatever they want? Yes.
Are all people grown up in perfect homes? Nope.

Some people have been abused since they where children having parents that abused them so abuse is a cycle that can continue in a persons life especially if the love the darkness more than the light.

Have some compassion. But if you hear a child tell you momma or daddy touched me in my no no and I didn’t like that. Contact the police…

People will go into insane lengths to make others look bad… the thing is not all people are the same some do have a changed heart of at least the desire to love God and others. And all have though fallen short of the glory of God and that glory is the Son of God the Lord Jesus Christ.

There are people have been abused… and the cycle continues, God created Jeffery Damher, and knew all that he would do. And John Wayne Gacy… and even some females who killed their own husbands and children for the sake of money. And we at one point to we’re constant liars and thief and haters of God even.

God is just and fair if a person lives their life without God and knows who they are.

God is just and fair if a person lives their life with God and knows who they are.

Judge not for ye yourself will be judged and remember who is the judge … God himself.

Mercy triumphs over judgement…

People who love darkness more than the light at the end of life will be placed outside the kingdom of God.


People who love light and God and others at the end of life will go and be with God at the end of life.

 

[Hazelelponi]

There seem to be more and more churches that are willing to see being gay as ok and also offer gay marriage. For example the Methodists in the UK recently voted to support gay marriage.

I know there are two sides in this debate and both have their own way of interpreting scripture and understanding the context of the various Bible passages.

I was talking to a Methodist lay preacher earlier, he is going to stop his preaching and probably join a different church.

My question is.... Are these disagreements going to radically change more and more churches with new churches splitting off into for and against groups. Is Christianity heading into a totally new future?

I believe such splits have occurred and will continue. It does appear that conservative Christianity has fewer adherents, and is likely facing a future under what I would term "soft persecution" in western nations.

 

[com7fy8]

Thank God that His Son paid all of sins,

Jesus did. But we need to confess how we have been wrong, and trust Jesus for forgiveness. Also, God is easily able to change our hearts so we do not continue to have wrong preferences. So, we must not discriminate against certain wrong people by telling them they can't change out of their wrong drives and preferences. If we trust Jesus for salvation, God our Father is committed to correcting all of us who are His children . . . not only certain ones > Hebrews 12:4-14.

So, if a church group discriminates, they are not functioning for Jesus Christ in their discrimination. They certainly are not loving wrong people, by saying those wrong people are ok. Because this helps the wrong people to not trust Jesus for forgiveness and real and deep correction of their character.

So, if you tell a wrong person he or she is ok, this can help keep the person from trusting Jesus for forgiveness. And yes there are ones claiming to be Christians who are discriminating against certain wrong people, by telling them they are ok and do not need to be forgiven of their sins.

So, such discriminators are not functioning as Christ's church, and they are not loving the wrong people who they claim are ok.

And there is at least one motive . . . to get a large bloc of votes. There are ones using emotional issues to hook voters. This is not the function of Jesus Christ's church, I would say. The ones discriminating are not a split of the church of Jesus, then. They are not loving wrong people, because they are not helping wrong people to get forgiven and then get real correction that is possible with God.