Vaccination injury testimony from many individuals

[Sodafox]

No. You not getting a vaccine can cause someone else to die and with the deadly variants coming out many of you anti vaxxers will die.

We are not responsible for the choices and health of others.

The Lord asked Cain, “Where is your brother Abel?”

He answered, “I don't know. Am I supposed to take care of my brother?”

Genesis 4:9

"Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others."

Philippians 2:4

that is just two verses there are many more

If we're responsible for the choices and health of others that would also mean we should care about a healthy diet and exercise considering how many people die each year of heart disease. Also the fact that being overweight/obese makes one susceptible to other health issues - I dunno, if I were going to tell people what they should do with their bodies that's where I'd start.

 

[Belk]

If we're responsible for the choices and health of others that would also mean we should care about a healthy diet and exercise considering how many people die each year of heart disease. Also the fact that being overweight/obese makes one susceptible to other health issues - I dunno, if I were going to tell people what they should do with their bodies that's where I'd start.

Ah, you seem to have missed the key point. No one cares if you want to be unhealthy and increase your own risk. It is when you decide that you can increase the risk to the rest of society that it gets involved.

 

[Skreeper]

You really don’t work in any scientific field let alone medicine, do you? Your description is so off it is ludicrous. Again 99% of those infected survive with no problems. That’s how I know you know nothing about risky diseases. This is not one.

You should educate yourself about vaccines too. If you are vaccinated against Covid, your changes of dying from Covid are very significantly reduced even if you sit for several hours next to an unvaccinated person. That’s how vaccines work. It’s not a secret nor difficult to get. The unvaccinated pose no threat whatsoever to you.

Why are the vaccinated scared to death regarding the unvaccinated? Don’t they believe the vaccines work at all????

Being a Moderator on an Anti-vaxx Facebook page nor spending 10 minutes looking for "vaccines are bad" on Google make you a medical expert, Karen.

I have good reasons for trusting the medical experts in my country. I have no reason to trust you though.

 

[Sodafox]

Ah, you seem to have missed the key point. No one cares if you want to be unhealthy and increase your own risk. It is when you decide that you can increase the risk to the rest of society that it gets involved.

And you missed my point - if society is expected to all get something that has a non-zero chance to do harm to their bodies to protect against something that really only effects those who are obese or overweight then those people ARE increasing my risk as well. (80%+, and the other ~19% are 65+ with other pre-existing health issues. I linked my source in another thread. It's a pain on mobile to jump around and get that for this one.)

If we're going to go down this road as a society then I will fight to go all in. A sweeping mandate on what vaccines everyone needs to get, a diet and exercise plan, and bans on cigarettes and booze or really anything else unhealthy (sweets, junk food, etc).

Now, trust me when I say I don't want that. Id rather people male their own choices. I'll make mine. I trust my immune system as they should trust theirs or, if they don't (or if later in life I stop trusting my own immune system) they can get vaccines for things others may not want for themselves.

Since I suspect we might go down this road: drink driving is illegal but doesn't mean people don't do it hence it's still my responsibly to be careful driving and why I choose not to drive on holidays. It also (sometimes) has a known perpetrator (hit and runs exist where no justice is served). If we want a similar policy for getting others sick I'd be fine with that. I think it would be difficult or near impossible to prove but if we had a way to do it I'd be all for it.

(There's also a difference between "I've been drinking/I've been sick or in contact with someone sick but I'm going to drive/go to a crowded concert/touch ALL the produce anyway!" vs "I'm sober/not sick/not been in contact with an obviously sick person so I'm going to drive/concert/not touch all the produce except what I intend to buy")

Additionally, while I'm morally against abortion, I don't think I should get a say in what another woman does to her body before the baby is born, and thus think abortion should be legal. Morally abhorrent but legal nonetheless.

I'm also in favor of legalizing all drugs.

 

[KCfromNC]

Again 99% of those infected survive with no problems.

This is yet another false claim : COVID-19 and Your Health

 

[KCfromNC]

It wasn’t false. Your claim it was false is false.

I see there's zero evidence provided to back up these assertions.

 

[KCfromNC]

It's the critical thinking skills which are in especially short supply.

There's also a good bit of innumeracy - for example, consistent trouble comprehending what 2% of some large number is.

 

[Sodafox]

This is yet another false claim : COVID-19 and Your Health

There isn't a number in that link so it doesn't disprove Dorothy's claim.

 

[iluvatar5150]

My experience has shown me that Ron Johnson is tremendously unreliable.

Milwaukee newspaper blasts Ron Johnson as 'irresponsible representative of Wisconsin citizens'

Fact-checking Sen. Ron Johnson's efforts to mislead on Covid-19 and January 6 insurrection - CNNPolitics

YouTube has blocked Sen. Ron Johnson for 7 days after it removed a video of him spreading coronavirus misinformation

These cover some of his outright lies (for which, as you see, you tube banned him for seven days) including covid misinformation and lies about January 6.

Side note, I came across this today:
GOP Sen. Ron Johnson mouths to GOP luncheon that climate change is 'bullsh*t' - CNNPolitics

Yet somehow Cuomo still manages to come across as more annoying.

 

[KCfromNC]

There isn't a number in that link so it doesn't disprove Dorothy's claim.

It addresses the "with no problems" part of the falsehood.

 

[Sodafox]

It addresses the "with no problems" part of the falsehood.

Right but if it still doesn't effect 99% then it still isn't enough to convince people like me to get the vaccine.

 

[Fantine]

Side note, I across this today:
GOP Sen. Ron Johnson mouths to GOP luncheon that climate change is 'bullsh*t' - CNNPolitics

Yet somehow Cuomo still manages to come across as more annoying.

Speak for yourself.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Speak for yourself.

It would be so easy for him and his colleagues to be not terrible. And yet...

 

[Fantine]

It would be so easy for him and his colleagues to be not terrible. And yet...

Governor Cuomo has had accusations leveled against him, most for being overly effusive, one fora greater offense.

But "his colleagues?" Two of his colleagues grew up in my hometown. I knew them and their families. They are Democrats, nothing more, and I think that's a good thing.

They fo not engage in insurrectionist fantasies or discourage people from getting vaccinated in a pandemic.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Now, trust me when I say I don't want that. Id rather people male their own choices. I'll make mine. I trust my immune system as they should trust theirs or, if they don't (or if later in life I stop trusting my own immune system) they can get vaccines for things others may not want for themselves.

When you trust your immune system, is when you trust that it will react properly to the vaccine to generate long term immune response and recognize the SARS-CoV-2 virus when you contact it later. Until it has been exposed, you immune system has no defenses against it and the virus can establish itself before the immune system can respond. (i.e., you get sick.)

You do not have some magic immunity to this virus without exposure and the only quick response immunity you can develop to it comes either from a prior infection or the vaccine.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Governor Cuomo has had accusations leveled against him, most for being overly effusive, one fora greater offense.

But "his colleagues?" Two of his colleagues grew up in my hometown. I knew them and their families. They are Democrats, nothing more, and I think that's a good thing.

They fo not engage in insurrectionist fantasies or discourage people from getting vaccinated in a pandemic.

I was referring to Chris Cuomo, the governor's brother, who is the host of the video clip I posted, and his colleagues at CNN. His commentary - as seems to be the CNN schtick these days - is snide, obnoxious, and entirely unnecessary. They're leading the charge in making news dumber.

 

[Sodafox]

When you trust your immune system, is when you trust that it will react properly to the vaccine to generate long term immune response and recognize the SARS-CoV-2 virus when you contact it later. Until it has been exposed, you immune system has no defenses against it and the virus can establish itself before the immune system can respond. (i.e., you get sick.)

You do not have some magic immunity to this virus without exposure and the only quick response immunity you can develop to it comes either from a prior infection or the vaccine.

99% of people who do get it survive (and of that 1% about 80% are overweight or obese which I am not) I haven't seen numbers for how many with lasting symptoms. I saw an article guess 25% so we'll go with that. I'm just not worried about it.

Also, note that's people who DO get it. I remember calculating 10% and of course that's during lock down but that's only counting cases. How many people got Covid but had no symptoms and never reported it? That's not something we can know.

But, yeah, not worried. I'm not getting the shot for something I think is a non issue.

 

[Fantine]

I was referring to Chris Cuomo, the governor's brother, who is the host of the video clip I posted, and his colleagues at CNN. His commentary - as seems to be the CNN schtick these days - is snide, obnoxious, and entirely unnecessary. They're leading the charge in making news dumber.

LOL! They've been trampled over by Fox, Newsmax, and OANN long ago--the leaders in fake news, even according to a former Fox executive that just gave a tell-all interview (as if "Bombshell" didn't delve deeply enough into Fox's dysfunction).

 

[Hans Blaster]

99% of people who do get it survive (and of that 1% about 80% are overweight or obese which I am not) I haven't seen numbers for how many with lasting symptoms. I saw an article guess 25% so we'll go with that. I'm just not worried about it.

Also, note that's people who DO get it. I remember calculating 10% and of course that's during lock down but that's only counting cases. How many people got Covid but had no symptoms and never reported it? That's not something we can know.

But, yeah, not worried. I'm not getting the shot for something I think is a non issue.

The information that show's you to be wrong is literally on the page prior to your post:

Vaccination injury testimony from many individuals

Note that the COVID deaths, etc. are per million of *population* so the fact that less than 50% of people have been infected is already taken into account.

The vaccine is quite safe and the risk from taking it is much lower than risking getting infected, EVEN FOR YOUNGER HEALTHY PEOPLE.

 

[Fantine]

Variants keep coming out. We already have Delta, much more transmissable. Now we have Lambda, coming from South America. Apparently vaccines are only 64% effective against it, and cases are more serious. But hey, I would rather have 64% protection than none.

Why do these variants occur? Because not enough people are vaccinated to prevent transmission.

Variants occur because of the unvaccinated. The unvaccinated are the super spreaders. The unvaccinated are imperiling not only themselves but others.

To stop variants we need to stop the number of infections. I am pretty sure Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, and Astrazeneca are hard at work on boosters that will handle Delta and Lambda. I will be first in line.