Vaccination injury testimony from many individuals

[Dorothy Mae]

Before there was a vaccine, I decided that, after a vaccine was widely available to those in my age group, I would wait at least a month before taking it, to assess the risk of potential complications. Due to availability, it ended up being closer to 3 months. But I saw a vanishingly small percentage of people with severe side effects, vastly less than the risks of the virus. So I took the logical step and took the vaccine. I didn't just decide to take it because I trust the government or I believe the scientists who made it are flawless and infallible, or because some politician I agree with said that I should. I took it for practical reasons.

You are lucky nothing bad happened. Others weren’t so lucky.

 

[Strathos]

You are lucky nothing bad happened. Others weren’t so lucky.

I'm also lucky that I haven't been in a car accident, been shot, slipped and fell at home and injured myself, or been attacked by a dog. All of which are statistically more likely to happen in the US than any serious complication from taking the vaccine. Meanwhile, we have 600,000 dead US citizens and counting from COVID-19.

 

[Tanj]

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Well, I have to take it back. I guess it does include you.

It most certainly does not. It is entirely consistent for me to consider your reasons to not vaccinate as being utterly wrong whilst at the same time being entirely supportive of your decision not to vaccinate.

If someone said they dislike white supremacists because they have a phobia of 4 syllable words with colors in front of them, I can simultaneously find their reasoning invalid whilst supporting their conclusion.

Those who want the vaccine to be perfectly safe will call every adverse event “unrelated to the vaccine”

As much as I would like the different vaccines to be perfectly safe I have never called every adverse event "unrelated to the vaccine".

incomplete ignorance of how the material in the vaccine works.

There is nothing about your ignorance of this that could be called incomplete.

Spike protein ignites platelets which causes blood clots to form. These clots will float around in the body or become attached. They can detach and lodge in the brain or lungs or anywhere weeks later. So the vaccine can have started a reaction that leads to symptoms weeks later. But for those who don’t want such, there’s no connection.

QED. "ignites"? Seriously? Where'd you get that from?" Also, this is an issue with the AZ vaccine which EVERYONE agrees is connected. Two people have died from it here in Australia, in which your chance of catching COVID is pretty close to 0. I had my first AZ vaccination a few weeks after the first death was announced and my second a few weeks after the second.

 

[KCfromNC]

What does that have to do with opening schools to in-person learning?

You asked why a group would do something even if it led to more outbreaks. I posted an article showing the rationalization one group used to support doing so.

Why bother asking the question if you're just going to complain when it gets answered?

 

[KCfromNC]

No more than I would compare dying from the vaccine with mild congestion.

Then what point did you hope to make with "By my estimation one is more likely to have an adverse reaction from the vaccine, than one is to die from the virus"?

Sure seems like a comparison to me.

 

[KCfromNC]

Great...

10%...so how many is 2% of that 10%, then express that as a percentage of the total US population and then we're approaching a actual chance of dying of covid.

Yes, and the number of people killed by the vaccine is way way lower.

 

[cow451]

Having said that in this instance I actually agree with you, anyone that doesn't want to get vaccinated should go ahead and not get vaccinated.

And move to Alabama where a large number of vaccine objectors reside.

 

[KCfromNC]

No vaccine is very safe, that is already an indication of ignoring data.

Neither of these statements are true.

 

[KCfromNC]

It’s more than some choose to ignore data when it’s not favorable to their position and embrace rhetoric. It’s “very safe” is rhetoric, for example.

Both of these sentences are also false.

I'm starting to see a pattern.

 

[KCfromNC]

I wasn’t meaning you at all. My apologies. I meant KC..

Hey look, another false claim. I wonder how that keeps happening.

 

[iluvatar5150]

2% would make the plan crashes rather rare. Still a big deal, right? Then why are the "rare" deaths of people after getting the experimental and unapproved shot any less of a big deal?

Are you bad at math? There are 5670 commercial airline flights in the US every day. 2% of 5670 is 113. If 113 planes crashed every day, would you say that they're "rather rare"?

Right somewhere between very low and rather high.

Once you figure out the percentage of chance of infection, you can take that number and use it to figure out the actual probability that someone will die of covid, which even in high infection areas, would have to be significantly less than 2%.

~10% of the country has tested positive for covid, and about 0.18% of the entire US population has died from it. The states with the highest death rates are in the 0.25% - 0.3% range for their entire populations.

If you catch covid.....which is by no means certain....or as you so eloquently put it....

Absent vaccinations, why should we assume that not everybody would catch it eventually, given enough time?

It is doubtful that 99% of people in train accidents survive.

Survival rates vary pretty widely depending on the nature of the accident and the number of people on board, but eyeballing the most recent accidents, 1-2% fatality rate seems about right:
List of American railroad accidents - Wikipedia

I never saw any passages in scripture where Christ told us to listen to what "experts" say, or to believe whatever the majority of people say. However, I do remember Him saying things about how the majority will hate you.

Hey look, hon: heresy.

Those admonitions were related to following Christ and his teachings vs following secular wisdom. It was not a recommendation to disregard professional advice merely because you didn't like it or because you felt like being conspiratorial or contrary.

That is not the situation. We do not have to bear the responsibility of others choosing to risk the virus or risk the vaccine. That is the situation. You need to stick to the actual situation. We haven’t the right to ask others to risk their health for ours. That puts selfishness in those who insist everyone take the vaccine risk for them.

I guess you don't understand how infections are transmitted and how not everybody is able to get vaccinated.

Yes, when it comes to infectious diseases, your risky behavior does put me at risk, even if I try to be cautious. The consequences of your risky behavior do not end at your doorstep.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Hey look, another false claim. I wonder how that keeps happening.

It wasn’t false. Your claim it was false is false.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I'm also lucky that I haven't been in a car accident, been shot, slipped and fell at home and injured myself, or been attacked by a dog. All of which are statistically more likely to happen in the US than any serious complication from taking the vaccine. Meanwhile, we have 600,000 dead US citizens and counting from COVID-19.

The difference is those are accidents you didn’t choose. The risks of the vaccine are chosen, until your government insists you take the risk. That is worse.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Absent vaccinations, why should we assume that not everybody would catch it eventually, given enough time?

Should we? We aren't absent vaccinations...

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Are you bad at math? There are 5670 commercial airline flights in the US every day. 2% of 5670 is 113. If 113 planes crashed every day, would you say that they're "rather rare"?



~10% of the country has tested positive for covid, and about 0.18% of the entire US population has died from it. The states with the highest death rates are in the 0.25% - 0.3% range for their entire populations.



Absent vaccinations, why should we assume that not everybody would catch it eventually, given enough time?



Survival rates vary pretty widely depending on the nature of the accident and the number of people on board, but eyeballing the most recent accidents, 1-2% fatality rate seems about right:
List of American railroad accidents - Wikipedia




Hey look, hon: heresy.

Those admonitions were related to following Christ and his teachings vs following secular wisdom. It was not a recommendation to disregard professional advice merely because you didn't like it or because you felt like being conspiratorial or contrary.



I guess you don't understand how infections are transmitted and how not everybody is able to get vaccinated.

Yes, when it comes to infectious diseases, your risky behavior does put me at risk, even if I try to be cautious. The consequences of your risky behavior do not end at your doorstep.

You really don’t work in any scientific field let alone medicine, do you? Your description is so off it is ludicrous. Again 99% of those infected survive with no problems. That’s how I know you know nothing about risky diseases. This is not one.

You should educate yourself about vaccines too. If you are vaccinated against Covid, your changes of dying from Covid are very significantly reduced even if you sit for several hours next to an unvaccinated person. That’s how vaccines work. It’s not a secret nor difficult to get. The unvaccinated pose no threat whatsoever to you.

Why are the vaccinated scared to death regarding the unvaccinated? Don’t they believe the vaccines work at all????

 

[Hans Blaster]

[I won't reply to the "you" aspect, as this wasn't a reply to me.]

You really don’t work in any scientific forms let alone medicine do you. Your description is so off it is ludicrous. Again 99% of those infected survive with no problems. That’s how I know you know nothing about risky diseases. This is not one.

What widespread (and highly contagious) diseases have *only* a 99% survival rate, i.e., a 1% death rate?

Do any of those have a highly effective vaccine?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

[I won't reply to the "you" aspect, as this wasn't a reply to me.]

What widespread (and highly contagious) diseases have *only* a 99% survival rate, i.e., a 1% death rate?

Do any of those have a highly effective vaccine?

They aren’t called “highly contagious” in that case. The pandemics the world has known had a high death rate. This isn’t one. But get vaccinated by all means. Just don’t insist everyone believe as you do.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Should we? We aren't absent vaccinations...

If I understood your series of posts correctly, you were trying to rebut the notion of covid's 1-2% mortality rate with the fact that it only kills 1-2% of the people it infects and that it doesn't (or at least hasn't) infect everybody.

My point is - so what? Left unchecked, it would likely (as far as I know) infect everybody.

You really don’t work in any scientific field let alone medicine, do you?

I have an engineering degree. How about you?

Your description is so off it is ludicrous. Again 99% of those infected survive with no problems. That’s how I know you know nothing about risky diseases. This is not one.

Oh? What other diseases have a 1-2% mortality rate and aren't considered risky?

I'll do your homework for you:
List of human disease case fatality rates - Wikipedia

1-2% is in the range of measles, mumps, (ETA: correction, only the milder variant of smallpox), and Hep A - all of which are considered very serious and have been combatted with large-scale public health/vaccination campaigns.

Also, it is not true that "99%... survive with no problems." Yes, 99% survive. But the number of people with serious complications who survive is at least a couple times higher than the number of people who die.

You should educate yourself about vaccines too. If you are vaccinated against Covid, your changes of dying from Covid are very significantly reduced even if you sit for several hours next to an unvaccinated person. That’s how vaccine work. It’s not a secret nor difficult to get. The unvaccinated pose no threat whatsoever to you.

I was speaking generally, not specifically about covid. But either way, what you say isn't quite true. The vaccine doesn't work for everybody - to them, the unvaccinated would pose a threat. Additionally, there are folks for whom the vaccine is not yet available (e.g. children) and/or who may have other health complications that preclude them from taking the vaccine.

 

[Hans Blaster]

They aren’t called “highly contagious” in that case. The pandemics the world has known had a high death rate. This isn’t one. But get vaccinated by all means. Just don’t insist everyone believe as you do.

Name them then: Widespread infectious diseases with higher death rates and how contagious you think they are.

 

[Sodafox]

If I understood your series of posts correctly, you were trying to rebut the notion of covid's 1-2% mortality rate with the fact that it only kills 1-2% of the people it infects and that it doesn't (or at least hasn't) infect everybody.

My point is - so what? Left unchecked, it would likely (as far as I know) infect everybody.



I have an engineering degree. How about you?



Oh? What other diseases have a 1-2% mortality rate and aren't considered risky?

I'll do your homework for you:
List of human disease case fatality rates - Wikipedia

1-2% is in the range of measles, mumps, smallpox, and Hep A - all of which are considered very serious and have been combatted with large-scale public health/vaccination campaigns.

Also, it is not true that "99%... survive with no problems." Yes, 99% survive. But the number of people with serious complications who survive is at least a couple times higher than the number of people who die.



I was speaking generally, not specifically about covid. But either way, what you say isn't quite true. The vaccine doesn't work for everybody - to them, the unvaccinated would pose a threat. Additionally, there are folks for whom the vaccine is not yet available (e.g. children) and/or who may have other health complications that preclude them from taking the vaccine.

I'm not going to look up all of those but this is what I found on the smallpox specific wiki page:

Smallpox - Wikipedia

According to that the fatality rate is 26% for vaccinated and 62% for un-vaccinated. As for Hep-A, since my doctor keeps trying to get me to take that one, I'm in a committed relationship and am not caring for any family members who may have it. I don't fear the risk of getting it in the first place thus refuse the vaccine. Similar to my feelings about the Covid vaccine.