Vaccination injury testimony from many individuals

[Ana the Ist]

Just like people can choose never to leave their house until covid is gone.

But perhaps they need to go to work, or travel to see a sick relative, or just need social interaction with friends. And that would apply to either covid prevention or air travel.

Seems closer than one might imagine.

Not really. I can always wear a mask, social distance, mitigate risk.

 

[cow451]

I wonder why the 7 out of 8 deaths to vaccine pushers doesnt even get mentioned.

What?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Vaccines carry a certain risk. Maybe the correct term is absolute risk.

My college days are gone and I don't care to look it up.

For example, the chances of me dying from a skydiving accident if I never skydive fall to a number quite near zero.

Likewise, I can't die from a vaccine I don't take.

The problem with that analogy is that there's not really any tangible risk associated with non-skydiving.

For instance, there's no infectious disease out there that I'm aware of that's more likely infect non-skydivers.

There is a risk associated with not getting vaccinated. (and it's one that statistically outweighs risks associated with getting vaccinated)

In order for an analogy to be meaningful, it would have to be something (like with covid vs. covid vaccination) that has some sort of countervailing risks associated with the opposing position.

For instance, seat belts would be a much better analogy.

It's possible in some rare outlier scenarios that a person could actually be killed by their seatbelt (who would've otherwise survived had they not been wearing it in the crash).

However, the data is pretty clear on the benefits of seatbelts vastly outweighing the risks associated with not wearing one.

So would a person saying "I can't be killed by a seatbelt I'm not wearing" be rationale or logical given the data?

 

[HARK!]

The problem with that analogy is that there's not really any tangible risk associated with non-skydiving.

For instance, there's no infectious disease out there that I'm aware of that's more likely infect non-skydivers.

There is a risk associated with not getting vaccinated. (and it's one that statistically outweighs risks associated with getting vaccinated)

In order for an analogy to be meaningful, it would have to be something (like with covid vs. covid vaccination) that has some sort of countervailing risks associated with the opposing position.

For instance, seat belts would be a much better analogy.

It's possible in some rare outlier scenarios that a person could actually be killed by their seatbelt (who would've otherwise survived had they not been wearing it in the crash).

However, the data is pretty clear on the benefits of seatbelts vastly outweighing the risks associated with not wearing one.

So would a person saying "I can't be killed by a seatbelt I'm not wearing" be rationale or logical given the data?

The approach that you have presented is logical, assuming that we are presented with accurate data. Herein lies the problem: As exemplified in the video presented by the OP, and many other sources that I've reviewed, I find the data to be questionable.

 

[Taodeching]

Aren't these Christians supposed to be the "every life is sacred" ones?

No. Many Christians in America don't see every life as sacred, just some. The biggest thing with many American Christians are "My rights are sacred above all else and who cares about my neighbor" though they will tell you that is not true their actions speak differently. I am finding as I get older that much of American Christianity is totally different from Christianity. Take the vaccine and threads like this, it's all about self above all.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The problem with that analogy is that there's not really any tangible risk associated with non-skydiving.

That exactly why I made the comparison with vaccines....not avoiding a vaccine.

There is a risk associated with not getting vaccinated.

Yeah, but you don't know what that risk is...

If the average covid death rate is 2%...and it doesn't infect everyone....then actual risk here is less than 2%.

Basically it could be 0.5%....it could be 0.0001%.

You don't know.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

This report and these incidents deserve equal time and media attention to all of the millions spent paying celebrities to encourage people to get it. Let's hear ALL of the evidence. Not just what supports our bias.

At least listen to the lady who testifies in person, for goodness sakes, before dismissing this hearing entirely.

Good luck getting people to do that. Most make up their minds and look for support for that position. Few want truth.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Again, you mangle the data and utterly fail to understand what is in front of you.

You totally missed my point.

The 1 of 8 are the old people who died of COVID.
The 7 of 8 are the old people who died of everything else.

Yes I know. The vaccine pushers cry over the 1 but ignore totally the 7. That’s because the deaths of the 7 aren’t useful to them. It’s not because they care about the lives.

The 7 of 8 would have died anyway. They represent the normal death rate in this age group. The 1 of 8 are people who would have survived the year without the COVID pandemic.

You have no data on that. Would have been 8 out of 8 dying for other causes.

If the normal number of deaths in this group were 70,000 per year, then last year there were 80,000. The normal 70,000 plus 10,000 extra COVID deaths.

A 13% increase in total death count in *any* demographic for a single year is an outrageous change.

Where’s your source? You make up data.

 

[Aldebaran]

No. Many Christians in America don't see every life as sacred, just some. The biggest thing with many American Christians are "My rights are sacred above all else and who cares about my neighbor" though they will tell you that is not true their actions speak differently. I am finding as I get older that much of American Christianity is totally different from Christianity. Take the vaccine and threads like this, it's all about self above all.

Is there a religion that puts "scientific data" (often skewed), government mandates and shaming above all? Lots of people here seem to subscribe to that one.
I never saw any passages in scripture where Christ told us to listen to what "experts" say, or to believe whatever the majority of people say. However, I do remember Him saying things about how the majority will hate you.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

No can listen to every tale a possible adverse vaccine effect. Nor every tale of getting the vax and remaining covid symptom free. Not possible.

Probabilities drawn from carefully sampled data reveal risk. Not anecdote.

My sense is people are latching onto a few scary cases and then thinking theyve got a handle on the actual risks of taking (or avoiding) the vaxxes. Anecdote is worse than nothing when approached that way.

I’ve heard both sides of “anecdotes,” if you will. The virus is more dangerous for those over 80. I’m not so that’s not a danger. The anecdotal after effects of the illness seem to restrict physically active sportsmen. I’m not so that’s not a risk. The vast majority have the virus in the throat with no or minor symptoms needing no medical care so that’s no risk. Some places have inadequate medical care so that if you need ICU, you might not get a bed so that’s a risk. That’s not where I live so that’s not a risk.

The vast majority of those who are vaccinated have minor symptoms needing no medical care. A very few have reactions so severe they were in ICU or died. So that’s a risk, but very minor. A few have had blood clots lodged in various places that severely affected the heart muscle mostly in young men. I’m not one so that’s no risk. A few have had blood clots lodge in the brain so that they no longer can function in life normally. This includes stroke but also tremors, losing hearing or eyesight in one eye, unable to breathe, etc. Pretty scary stuff although rare. Vaccines have never done this before so this is new. One can be aware of this risk in this vaccine without refusing all vaccines.

So it would be wise to inform oneself of all the risks both sides. “Anecdotes” is all you have for some. For me, they are case studies. Case Studies are ALWAYS individual cases, never statistically evaluated, and ALWAYS taken quite seriously. We NEVER call a single case in ~itis an “anecdote” on the level of fables.

I personally find it humanly demeaning of the people suffering and sharing their experience to help others avoid the same to call their report merely an “anecdote” because one wants to dismiss it.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Depends on lots of things, but looking at overall statistics for the US population on average it is many orders of magnitude higher than having any significant side effects from the vaccine.

Since 99% of the people with covid recover or never had symptoms, this seems unlikely.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Where’s your source? You make up data.

It's literally from *YOUR* post #261. Where you got it I can't tell as you don't cite your sources. Did you make it up?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

It's literally from *YOUR* post #261. Where you got it I can't tell as you don't cite your sources. Did you make it up?

When you write “if….” you are making up data. I heard the number of deaths overall in one country dropped at the height of Covid. You assume the 1/8 would have not died at all. This is a fallacy.

 

[Hans Blaster]

When you write “if….” you are making up data. I heard the number of deaths overall in one country dropped at the height of Covid. You assume the 1/8 would have not died at all. This is a fallacy.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

No. Many Christians in America don't see every life as sacred, just some. The biggest thing with many American Christians are "My rights are sacred above all else and who cares about my neighbor" though they will tell you that is not true their actions speak differently. I am finding as I get older that much of American Christianity is totally different from Christianity. Take the vaccine and threads like this, it's all about self above all.

The self love, self importance, self promote in social media including pics so you’re admired, the wants of self and last but not least, the selfie.

American christianity is farther from the teachings of christ than it’s ever been as it’s embraced the self culture.

The music team is up front with spotlights on their upturned faces so everyone can admire their devotion. The focus is less on christ and more on what christ can do to serve your self.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I guess when words fail….

 

[Hans Blaster]

I guess when words fail….

you are gobsmackingly bad at this. If I were you, I'd avoid posting anything to do with numbers. You clearly don't even understand the item in your own post (#261) which was clearly citing data about excess deaths from COVID.

 

[KCfromNC]

In case you didn't realize it. This thread pertains to the U.S.. The U.S. doesn't include 3rd world countries; even though some Imperialists do think that way.

Your previous post said nothing about America specifically, so the attempt to move the goal posts is noted. As it the fact you didn't read the link far enough to get to the "Americas" data, which obviously includes the US.

 

[KCfromNC]

Did you not follow the links to the sources that I posted?

Oh, you were really trying to compare "redness at the injection site" to dying from covid? I assumed there was a more substantive argument forthcoming.

 

[KCfromNC]

Do you believe that the victims in the OP are just pushing propaganda?

I have no idea what this question has to do with my post. I'm not convinced you would either.

 

[KCfromNC]

I wonder why the 7 out of 8 deaths to vaccine pushers doesnt even get mentioned.

Perhaps some people have facts and data on their side and don't need to bring up off topic diversions when that reality runs headlong into right-wing propaganda and causes their cognitive dissonance to kick in.