Vaccination injury testimony from many individuals

[ThatRobGuy]

Even if every single testimony was 100% true, and 100% attributable to the vaccine...

Until we get to the level of vaccine injuries being responsible for even a fraction of the following metrics:
33.7 million injuries (cases)
2.1 million of which that require hospitalization
600k ending in death

It's still a no-brainer...


I'm sure if I looked hard enough, I could track down a few dozen cases of people being injured by seat belts that wouldn't have been otherwise had they not been wearing it. That wouldn't negate the fact that, statistically speaking, wearing one is far better than not wearing one.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

In what is probably the funniest post I have ever read here, ThatRobGuy posted some reports that were submitted to VAERS (ThatRobGuy, if I am misrepresenting you, please set me straight). Here they are for your amusement. If nothing else, they raise a flag as to value of this database for assessing vaccine-caused injury:

"About 5 hrs after receiving vaccine muscle ache in shoulder. Penis reduced in size, length, and circumference is significant since following day and pain in penal area from day 3 and day 5 most noticeable. Shape of penis has changed (noticed on day 4 due to an erection) and the skin has become loose with the size reduction (like baggy pants.)"

"Explosive Diarhea and a touch of the AIDS"

"I feel like <***> dude!"

"666 Blood clots, heart attack, died 5 times survived, Blood is very thick blood thinners unable to thin"

You're spot on...that was a snippet from a previous post I had on here lol... the "touch of the AIDS" one still cracks me up every time. (not that I'm laughing at AIDS, nobody should laugh at that...just the way the user worded it)

That was actual data that was in the VAERS system that anyone can go to the website and download in csv format.

VAERS (while well-meaning) even provides the disclaimer - that they make you check a box to acknowledge before downloading - that "this data is user-submitted and not reviewed for accuracy, and should not be used to draw conclusions about the safety or efficacy of vaccines"

When you peruse the csv file (you can use excel or openoffice to do so), a very tiny portion looks like it was actually submitted by a medical professional. The majority of it is user-submission by people who clearly have no medical training.

Half of it is riddled with spelling errors, and another good chunk of it is people who are clearly trolling.


As I phrased it in another post on the topic. Give VAERS the same level of credibility you'd give a Yelp review authored by "MadGamer420"

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Do you then dismiss the testimony of those who are suffering the consequences of following the CDC guidelines and getting the shot? This database provides a place where people who are suffering can have a voice. Do you honestly care about shrinking genitalia, explosive diarhea [sic] and the AIDS? Why are you so hateful of those who simply wish to speak about their experiences? Would you like them to just stay silent and suffer in silence?

I know... it's horrible.

Here I am, an innocent person, who was just minding my own business, eating some Pizza Hut and Dipping my crust in Arby's Horsey Sauce...when my friend talked me into walking into the walgreens across the street to get the vaccine, and then headed over to Chipotle afterwards to celebrate, then 4 hours later.... bam.... explosive diarrhea (that I'm 100% positive came from the Pfizer vaxx...I don't have any medical training, but I know my body).

Not only that, I was talking to my frat bro about his experience...he got the moderna shot, and then went out to the bar to celebrate with 8 beers... sure enough, that vaccine made him wake up feeling nauseous with a headache the next morning.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I know... it's horrible.

Here I am, an innocent person, who was just minding my own business, eating some Pizza Hut and Dipping my crust in Arby's Horsey Sauce...when my friend talked me into walking into the walgreens across the street to get the vaccine, and then headed over to Chipotle afterwards to celebrate, then 4 hours later.... bam.... explosive diarrhea (that I'm 100% positive came from the Pfizer vaxx...I don't have any medical training, but I know my body).

Not only that, I was talking to my frat bro about his experience...he got the moderna shot, and then went out to the bar to celebrate with 8 beers... sure enough, that vaccine made him wake up feeling nauseous with a headache the next morning.

Hmm… Horsie sauce on a steak pizza could be pretty good. I might risk catching the aids to give that a shot.

 

[GreekOrthodox]

You should work in a hospital. Lost a few friends to Covid and a lot of folks I work with got it. Some recovered nicely, others still have some lingering issues due to long term problems that may not ever go away.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Even if every single testimony was 100% true, and 100% attributable to the vaccine...

Until we get to the level of vaccine injuries being responsible for even a fraction of the following metrics:
33.7 million injuries (cases)
2.1 million of which that require hospitalization
600k ending in death

It's still a no-brainer...


I'm sure if I looked hard enough, I could track down a few dozen cases of people being injured by seat belts that wouldn't have been otherwise had they not been wearing it. That wouldn't negate the fact that, statistically speaking, wearing one is far better than not wearing one.

That's only if it's a certainty one would catch Covid.

It's a certainty that I face the risks of vaccines if I take the vaccine.

It's harder to measure the possible risks vs the certain risks.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

That's only if it's a certainty one would catch Covid.

It's a certainty that I face the risks of vaccines if I take the vaccine.

It's harder to measure the possible risks vs the certain risks.

Neither is a "certain risk"...

You have some people who've thrown caution to the wind and never caught it

You have others who have caught it, but had no symptoms

You have others who have been extra careful, but still caught it, and had a pretty nasty experience with it.

On the other side of the fence, you have vaccinations...the overwhelming majority of people who have gotten vaccinated have had no side effects, or only very mild side events that have lasted at grand total of 6 hours.

At the end of the day, if you go with the stats on
- adverse effects
- hospitalizations
- deaths

It's not even close... your odds of catching covid are greater than your odds of having an adverse reaction from the vaccine... and if you catch covid, you're odds of a dire outcome are greater than your risk of having an adverse effect from vaccination.

Vaccinations (like everything else related to covid) was made political, and it shouldn't have been.

There are approximately 1500 drug allergy deaths per year (and way more cases of reactions and hospitalizations), and in over half of the cases, the drug in question was antibiotics.

That exceeds (by far) the number of deaths from reactions to the covid vaccine.

Yet, with antibiotics, there wasn't a widespread movement to deny the reality of strep throat or sinus infections, so it was never made political.

Your odds of having an adverse reaction to a covid vaccine are less than your odds of getting a reaction to taking an antibiotic for a sinus infection.

Yet, only one of those things is being labelled as a ploy for "globalist control" or "Bill Gates trying to microchip you"

 

[Ana the Ist]

Neither is a "certain risk"...

Vaccines carry a certain risk. Maybe the correct term is absolute risk.

My college days are gone and I don't care to look it up.

For example, the chances of me dying from a skydiving accident if I never skydive fall to a number quite near zero.

Likewise, I can't die from a vaccine I don't take.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

You didn’t address me specifically, but I’ll answer it. I was vaccinated last summer as a participant in the Phase 3 Pfizer vaccine clinical trial. I had to read through and sign a 28 page consent form. Every known adverse reaction was listed. And it was made clear that there could others not yet recognized which might occur in the future. Of course, the trial was placebo controlled and double blinded. There’s a 50/50 chance I’d get 2 shots of saline. But my arm got slightly sore several hours later, and lasted for a day or so. Which wouldn’t happen if I got the placebo. When the vaccine was approved for emergency use, Pfizer unblinded the trial. And I received confirmation last Nov. that I did get the vaccine. It’s been 9 months now. Other than the sore arm, I’ve had no side effects at all. And that’s my anecdotal report.

But getting back on topic, I have no problem with comprehensive informed consent. Which should include—as did the document I signed— the possibility of as yet unknown adverse reactions. I do have a problem with bad actors spreading disinformation. I’m referring to the meme that mRNA vaccines could alter one’s DNA. Someone here posted a fabricated “study” from a phony journal discussing this. If you know anything about cell biology, and how mRNA vaccines work, you should know this is a biological impossibility. It’s as bogus as claiming Donald Trump will be President again next month. Yes, people need information. But accurate information. Not lies intended to confuse and scare people who may be credulous and less discerning.

I was asking what you know about the requirements for clinical trials. Being a subject does not qualify you as you are lacking the education on how they are conducted and monitored from the research side. Your anecdotal experience is of no value in that regard, but I’m glad you suffered no detrimental ill effects.

You do not know how the list of possible side effects was derived. Was death listed as a side effect? Stroke? Palsy? That is not usual for a vaccine. The normal procedures were circumvented no question so “rigorous” testing had to be circumvented. This is a fact. But thanks for the reply. I’m glad it went well for you.

I, myself, had covid and am likely better protected than the vaccine can give according to one clinical study where only the group who had had covid didn’t become ill. There a small % of the vaccinated did.

 

[Skreeper]

If anti-vaxxers don't want to get the Covid vaccine then that's fine. You can choose the way how you want to die after all.

But what I'd like to see as a consequence is that these people who decline to take the vaccine will not be able to get medical treatment in an intensive care unit should they get Covid.

Let natural selection run its course. I won't shed a tear when an anti-vaxxer dies to a preventable disease.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

"within months". That means not exceeding months in duration. So absolutely, effects that present in days we're rigorously studied for with patient groups in the 10,000s if I recall. Some exceedingly rare effects (blood clots etc) would likely only present in a sample of millions and so were missed.

The only blood clots they know of were the severe ones. It’s likely everyone had blood clots. It’s just a matter of luck if they lodged in a critical place. Some did. Anyone who had a headache afterwards was likely feeling the effect of a blood clot there.

 

[Ana the Ist]

If anti-vaxxers don't want to get the Covid vaccine then that's fine. You can choose the way how you want to die after all.

But what I'd like to see as a consequence is that these people who decline to take the vaccine will not be able to get medical treatment in an intensive care unit should they get Covid.

Let natural selection run its course. I won't shed a tear when an anti-vaxxer dies to a preventable disease.

I agree entirely, but I also feel the same way about the vaxxers.

If by chance, some horrible, painful, debilitating side effect of the vaccine should manifest in the next 5-10 years....

You live with it, or choose the way you want to die, you don't seek recompense, you don't sue the anyone...you don't get any intensive care treatment.

You rolled the dice, you live with the consequences.

That's fair.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I do and I gave all the consideration it deserved.

I think you didn’t understand it. Your answer demonstrated this.

 

[KCfromNC]

people here in this thread seem utterly opposed to knowing the potential risks...

Which people are you talking about? I haven't seen anyone saying they don't want to know the risks. Most of the objections have been about the correct way to analyze the risks, as opposed to just listening to random unverified stories.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I agree entirely, but I also feel the same way about the vaxxers.

If by chance, some horrible, painful, debilitating side effect of the vaccine should manifest in the next 5-10 years....

You live with it, or choose the way you want to die, you don't seek recompense, you don't sue the anyone...you don't get any intensive care treatment.

You rolled the dice, you live with the consequences.

That's fair.

As long as you weren’t told it’s perfectly safe, it’s fair.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Which people are you talking about? I haven't seen anyone saying they don't want to know the risks. Most of the objections have been about the correct way to analyze the risks, as opposed to just listening to random unverified stories.

Just like the stories of those who had covid, random unverified.

 

[KCfromNC]

Just like the stories of those who had covid, random unverified.

Are we really to the point where we have to deny covid is real to make a point? Come on, no one is buying this.

 

[KCfromNC]

That's only if it's a certainty one would catch Covid.

It's a certainty that I face the risks of vaccines if I take the vaccine.

It's harder to measure the possible risks vs the certain risks.

Not when we have actual numbers showing the risks of the vaccine are orders of magnitude less than those of the disease.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Are we really to the point where we have to deny covid is real to make a point? Come on, no one is buying this.

I never said that. But if accounts of personal injury are classified as unverified anecdotes then so are accounts of covid infections. Why do you have two different standards of measure?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Not when we have actual numbers showing the risks of the vaccine are orders of magnitude less than those of the disease.

The disease has a 98% recovery rate.