More than 150 Houston hospital workers fired or quit after refusing COVID-19 vaccine

[sfs]

How would you respond to people when they ask if I've got a 98% chance of survival by catching the virus why should that motivate me into taking a vaccine which seems they're almost daily putting on new warning labels

I would respond that for the mRNA vaccines, the 'almost daily' warnings have been exactly one warning, and that the risk described by that one warning is about something that causes less than 1 incident per 100,000 vaccinations, and that the great majority of those affected recover just fine. So at this point the risk of dying from the vaccine is less than 1 per million people vaccinated, while the risk of dying from the virus is at least 5000 times larger.

 

[ralliann]

Life is full of decisions. There are risk with *any* vaccine. There is a greater risk from Covid. Apparently 181 million other AMericans agree.

Did you watch the video? Nobodies knows what the real stats are. Nobody can say what the real risks are. I think hospital workers have seen these people come in with effects which have are being looked at by doctors, or worse yet being ignored as something else (docs do that all the time). They have seen these things occuring in real life, and the workers may have seen things which have been censored and undocumented.

In the meantime, yes, that means a medical worker may have to switch professions if they are refusing to vaccinated.

Can't people take pause that they are hospital workers and as such may have seen things such as these people and seen how they have not been reported? Politicization of medicine needs to stop.

 

[KCfromNC]

Did you watch the video? Nobodies knows what the real stats are. Nobody can say what the real risks are. I think hospital workers have seen these people come in with effects which have are being looked at by doctors, or worse yet being ignored as something else (docs do that all the time). They have seen these things occuring in real life, and the workers may have seen things which have been censored and undocumented.

And if a frog had wings...

Maybe, maybe, maybe. Get back to us when there's more than hypotheticals.

Can't people take pause that they are hospital workers and as such may have seen things such as these people and seen how they have not been reported? Politicization of medicine needs to stop.

Yeah, the anti-vaxx movement is based in medicine and those opposing it have nothing but politics on their side. Sure, pull the other one.

 

[wing2000]

Did you watch the video? Nobodies knows what the real stats are. Nobody can say what the real risks are. I think hospital workers have seen these people come in with effects which have are being looked at by doctors, or worse yet being ignored as something else (docs do that all the time). They have seen these things occuring in real life, and the workers may have seen things which have been censored and undocumented.

Can't people take pause that they are hospital workers and as such may have seen things such as these people and seen how they have not been reported? Politicization of medicine needs to stop.

I evaluate risk based on data and the experts who have studied Epidemiology their entire lives. We live in a country with some of the best Epidemiologists in the world.

And yes, there is plenty of data available.....to imply otherwise is not true.

 

[ralliann]

I evaluate risk based on data and the experts who have studied Epidemiology their entire lives. We live in a country with some of the best Epidemiologists in the world.

And yes, there is plenty of data available.....to imply otherwise is not true.

What is the data on Children having serious risk with getting covid? What is the data of risk in children getting the vaccine? What is the risk of being infected if you are vaxxed? What is the risk if you already had it? Are the chances smaller for children getting the vax vs getting covid. Are the vaccinated at less risk in comaprison? No I don't think we have adequate answers to any of this. We don't know who has had it, including children.
Some of the people in that video were part of the trial. They were not anti vaxers at all. As even the mother of the girl effected by the trial, didn't even know she had already had covid. Her symptoms were that mild. We don't have stats for this stuff.

 

[wing2000]

What is the data on Children having serious risk with getting covid? What is the data of risk in children getting the vaccine? What is the risk of being infected if you are vaxxed? What is the risk if you already had it? Are the chances smaller for children getting the vax vs getting covid. Are the vaccinated at less risk in comaprison? No I don't think we have adequate answers to any of this. We don't know who has had it, including children.
Some of the people in that video were part of the trial. They were not anti vaxers at all. As even the mother of the girl effected by the trial, didn't even know she had already had covid. Her symptoms were that mild. We don't have stats for this stuff.

All good questions. Some may not be answered for months or even years....

Nothing is 100% certain in life.

 

[FireDragon76]

Did you watch the video? Nobodies knows what the real stats are. Nobody can say what the real risks are. I think hospital workers have seen these people come in with effects which have are being looked at by doctors, or worse yet being ignored as something else (docs do that all the time). They have seen these things occuring in real life, and the workers may have seen things which have been censored and undocumented.

Can't people take pause that they are hospital workers and as such may have seen things such as these people and seen how they have not been reported? Politicization of medicine needs to stop.

Look, in the USA... hospitals censor no one. But janitors and nurses assistants at hospitals hardly have medical expertise sufficient to judge the efficacy of a vaccine.

 

[expos4ever]

No I don't think we have adequate answers to any of this.

On precisely what basis do you draw such a conclusion? Let's be appropriately humble: you and I are not qualified to offer such opinions.

That's why we heed experts.

At the end of the day, the anti-vaxxer position is, I believe, essentially a conspiracy-theory position.

In what other area of life do you ignore the overwhelming majority of qualified experts and pay attention to a small minority of such experts?

 

[FireDragon76]

On precisely what basis do you draw such a conclusion? Let's be appropriately humble: you and I are not qualified to offer such opinions.

That's why we heed experts.

At the end of the day, the anti-vaxxer position is, I believe, essentially a conspiracy-theory position.

In what other area of life do you ignore the overwhelming majority of qualified experts and pay attention to a small minority of such experts?

Some Americans do this... alot. Particularly in the Evangelical subculture in the US as its gotten more and more marginalized.

 

[ralliann]

On precisely what basis do you draw such a conclusion? Let's be appropriately humble: you and I are not qualified to offer such opinions.

Do we know how many people have had covid already and had minor to no symptoms? No we don't. So we cannot have the stats to assess risk. Have we been wasting vaccines due to this? We don't know. Until we know that we cannot know what the risk ratio is for age groups, underlying issues needing to be considered. Now we are seeing people not being assessed for vaccine effects. We are seeing censorship.
Fauci lied. So did WHO. Have some compassion. All ignored.

 

[Aldebaran]

That's exactly what's happening. What's the issue? Do people really expect to be able to do whatever they want with zero consequences? What happened to the party of personal responsibility for their decisions?

What consequences do you think a person should face for being cautious about what substances they have injected into their body after hearing of other people being seriously injured or even dying after they received the same substance?

 

[Aldebaran]

It seems kinda disingenuous, or at least a sign of cognitive dissonance, to hand-wave away a 2% mortality rate but play up a significantly more rare and less dangerous side effect.

And yet this thread has seen plenty of hand-waving away of a similar vaccine injury rate.

 

[Aldebaran]

I evaluate risk based on data and the experts who have studied Epidemiology their entire lives. We live in a country with some of the best Epidemiologists in the world.

And yes, there is plenty of data available.....to imply otherwise is not true.

Plenty of data such as a person falling down a flight of stairs and dying a week after getting a positive Covid test and it being labeled as a covid death. If that's the data that supports the popular narrative, then it's included.
But when a person gets a covid shot and becomes seriously ill just hours later, then the excuses come out for why it couldn't possibly be from the shot since Fauci said it's safe.

 

[Aldebaran]

All good questions. Some may not be answered for months or even years....

Nothing is 100% certain in life.

Sounds like good reason to be cautious rather than coerced.

 

[Mayzoo]

But isn't that just the point? How would you respond to people when they ask if I've got a 98% chance of survival by catching the virus why should that motivate me into taking a vaccine which seems they're almost daily putting on new warning labels.

FDA adds warning of rare heart inflammation to Pfizer, Moderna vaccines (cnbc.com)

Heath Canada adds warning of rare, serious condition as potential vaccine side-effect - Canada News - Castanet.net

How can this seem fair that governments and companies can protect themselves legally by doing this for after all they did give a warning, but a warning for what! If you can't practically say no to taking it it comes across as yes we've now protected ourselves legally now hold out your arms! Does this seem in any way fair to you?

These kinds of decisions are not based on fair. They are based on legal vs illegal. Right now, in Texas it is legal to fire anyone for any legal reason. Since vaccine status is not a protected class, it is legal to fire people for vaccine status (any vaccine) reasons.

 

[Aldebaran]

On precisely what basis do you draw such a conclusion? Let's be appropriately humble: you and I are not qualified to offer such opinions.

That's why we heed experts.

At the end of the day, the anti-vaxxer position is, I believe, essentially a conspiracy-theory position.

In what other area of life do you ignore the overwhelming majority of qualified experts and pay attention to a small minority of such experts?

Did you read the rest of what @ralliann said? She said that "Some of the people in that video were part of the trial. They were not anti vaxers at all."

Your use of words like "Conspiracy Theory" when talking about this is getting to be as old as using the word "racist" whenever black people are being talked about.

 

[expos4ever]

Fauci lied.

Do you have any credible evidence for this?

No you do not, I am quite sure.

So why are you making a claim that you know is mere speculation and representing it as fact?

 

[ralliann]

All good questions. Some may not be answered for months or even years....

Nothing is 100% certain in life.

Sadly at this point some will never be answered. To many have had the vaccine to ever know if they had already had covid prior to the vaccine. We will never know if the antibodies present in those people is due to the vaccine or their original infection and subsequent recovery. What is about to happen for children I am afraid is forced vax, before school starts. Never knowing if the child even had it, nor knowing what the stats are for them.

 

[expos4ever]

Your use of words like "Conspiracy Theory" when talking about this is getting to be as old as using the word "racist" whenever black people are being talked about.

No.

Characterizing your position as based on conspiracy-thinking is quite accurate - you ignore the overwhelming consensus of trained experts and speculate about efforts to hide "the truth".

This is almost the very definition of conspiracy-theory thinking.

 

[ralliann]

Did you read the rest of what @ralliann said? She said that "Some of the people in that video were part of the trial. They were not anti vaxers at all."

Pure political rhetoric. That's all some are focused on.

Your use of words like "Conspiracy Theory" when talking about this is getting to be as old as using the word "racist" whenever black people are being talked about.

Let no trajedy, human suffering go to waste. Use it to it's full political advantage. The collective must win. Brand your opponent.