God's Existence Proved in 5 Minutes

[pitabread]

Synagogues, temples, holy days, Sabbaths, and the like?

Those are evidence for the existence of belief in a god, not evidence of a god itself.

 

[AV1611VET]

Those are evidence for the existence of belief in a god, not evidence of a god itself.

In the case of JEHOVAH, which came first? JEHOVAH or belief in JEHOVAH?

An atheist would say belief in Him would come first; whereas a Jew would say JEHOVAH came first.

Which came first? Kentucky or Kentucky Fried Chicken?

 

[pitabread]

In the case of JEHOVAH, which came first? JEHOVAH or belief in JEHOVAH?

An atheist would say belief in Him would come first; whereas a Jew would say JEHOVAH came first.

What came first? Santa Claus or belief in Santa Claus?

The Loch Ness Monster or belief in the Loch Ness Monster?

The Easter Bunny or belief in the Easter Bunny?

If you're trying to use belief in something as evidence for that thing's existence, there is no end of things you might as well believe in.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you're trying to use belief in something as evidence for that thing's existence, there is no end of things you might as well believe in.

Keeping that switch on OFF, are you?

 

[pitabread]

Keeping that switch on OFF, are you?

Huh?

 

[AV1611VET]

Huh?

Wouldn't want that light bulb to come on now, would we?

Your Anything-You-Can-Come-Up-With-I-Can-Match attitude smacks of Egypt, a type of the world.

Exodus 7:22a And the magicians of Egypt did so with their enchantments:

God has churches built; Satan has his edifices built, so that anyone claiming God's churches are evidence of His existence can be explained away.

It's called diabolical mimicry, but a light bulb is required to see it.

 

[pitabread]

Wouldn't want that light bulb to come on now, would we?

Don't expect everyone to follow whatever obscure metaphors you're trying to make.

It's called diabolical mimicry, but a light bulb is required to see it.

This is just special pleading.

 

[AV1611VET]

Don't expect everyone to follow whatever obscure metaphors you're trying to make.

Well I would expect them to at least understand; but maybe I'm setting my expectations too high.

After all, the Bible says they can only go so far, then they need a Key to go further.

And that Key is the Holy Spirit/Jesus Christ.

This is just special pleading.

Thanks for the QED.

 

[pitabread]

After all, the Bible says they can only go so far, then they need a Key to go further.

And that Key is the Holy Spirit/Jesus Christ.

And now we're into the circular logic.

You do realize that none of this is actually helping your case, right?

 

[AV1611VET]

You do realize that none of this is actually helping your case, right?

Only if Matthew 7:6 applies.

If it does apply to you, then YES, I realize that none of this is actually helping my case.

 

[pitabread]

Only if Matthew 7:6 applies.

If you think you're casting pearls, I have some news for you about that...

 

[Humble_Disciple]

I've hated math my entire life, so it amazes me that math has proven the Bible's authority.

 

[pitabread]

I've hated math my entire life, so it amazes me that math has proven the Bible's authority.

Sounds like an example of Apophenia - Wikipedia

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I've hated math my entire life, so it amazes me that math has proven the Bible's authority.

Are you going to post the proof?

 

[Mike from NJ]

I'm not a big bible code person but I will say using English code on a translated text is a flawed way of approaching it and in my opinion discredits it. finding the Hebrew characters for "TORH" in the Hebrew text in a certain pattern may be a bit more genuine but it is nothing remarkable and I think may suggest post-Torah corruption.

There are actually multiple pieces of Bible Code software, many of which can scan Hebrew and have a Hebrew dictionary. Also it would seem it would be easier to find "hidden" things in Hebrew as opposed to English as Hebrew does not write a portion of the vowels that don't start words. Also as the characters also indicate numbers, those believing in numerology may see patterns in things where they were not intended.

 

[DamianWarS]

There are actually multiple pieces of Bible Code software, many of which can scan Hebrew and have a Hebrew dictionary. Also it would seem it would be easier to find "hidden" things in Hebrew as opposed to English as Hebrew does not write a portion of the vowels that don't start words. Also as the characters also indicate numbers, those believing in numerology may see patterns in things where they were not intended.

I get the motivation and the tools involved, I'm just not a big bible code person. but my point was finding English code in an English translation seems counter-productive. if there is such a thing as bible code the original languages would seem a better fit. The OP happens to bring up an original language case however the found code of "TORH" seems anti-climatic. These codes only have meaning after their events which then hints more of a confirmation bias.

 

[Ophiolite]

Sounds like an example of Apophenia - Wikipedia

Was that the follow up album to the Who's Quadrophenia?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I remember back when The Bible Code was a thing there was a piece of software that allowed someone to put in any text, then it would check all sorts of patterns (e.g. every 3rd letter, backwards every 40th character) then it would compare the results with its dictionary to see what "secret" words it found. And it always found something whether it was in "To Kill a Mockingbird" or "The Cat in the Hat".

Yes, I was going to mention the same thing. Shakespeare's plays & sonnets were quite a rich source, from 'predictions of 911' to names of famous contemporary people, and so-on.

It's an interesting technique, but not quite as interesting as the Library of Babel which currently contains every page of up to 3,200 characters that ever has or ever will be written (although only including lower-case letters, space, comma, and period). Try typing in your most personal secrets or just making something up in the search function and you'll find multiple copies of it already exist in the library - I found multiple copies of this post already in there.

E.T.A. I found ~10²⁹ exact page matches for the post above in Library of Babel.
There are also 80,556,834 copies in the middle of pages of random English words and ~29²⁶⁵⁸ copies in the middle of pages of random characters.

Very weird...

 

[AV1611VET]

It's an interesting technique, but not quite as interesting as the Library of Babel which currently contains every page of up to 3,200 characters that ever has or ever will be written (although only including lower-case letters, space, comma, and period). Try typing in your most personal secrets or just making something up in the search function and you'll find multiple copies of it already exist in the library - I found multiple copies of this post already in there.

Sounds akashic to me.

 

[Hans Blaster]

What is your take on cause-and-effect evidence for the existence of God?

Synagogues, temples, holy days, Sabbaths, and the like?

Oh now you've done it AV. You've proved Judaism correct. You should let the owners of the forum know about this so they can change the name to jewishforum.com.