Why I'm not a young earth creationist...

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Didn't I clearly state that astronomers observe the past every night (and it's always night somewhere)? They can measure the physical constants in distant galaxies and show that they have not changed.

In a universe that's in constant motion though; exact position of star A to star B can't be assumed. If Alfa Centauri is 5 millimeters "that way" in the night sky than it was 2000 years ago (which you have no way of knowing or proving); "physical constants in distant galaxies" are relative.

Yeah there's enough consistency that we recognize it; but it's still not an accurate way to measure the age of the cosmos.
 
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This thread is like someone having just learned multiplications trying to argue partial differential equations.
I was going to say it is like a toddler arguing that 6 + 6 is ten since he ran out of fingers.
 
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This thread is like someone having just learned multiplications trying to argue partial differential equations.

Well than, I guess you better brush up on your math than huh?
 
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Well kid's it's been fun.

I got an education tonight. Thanks for making me do research. You've only served to reinforce what I believe about the Scripture and God.
It is amazing how ignorance can be so self confirming.
 
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In a universe that's in constant motion though; exact position of star A to star B can't be assumed. If Alfa Centauri is 5 millimeters "that way" in the night sky than it was 2000 years ago (which you have no way of knowing or proving); "physical constants in distant galaxies" are relative.

The motion of the stars in the sky would be measured as an angle, like 2 degrees change (or more likely in arcseconds).

Do you specialize in being wrong, because you're *very* good at it:

wikipedia said:
Alpha Centauri is listed in the 2nd-century star catalog of Ptolemy. He gave its ecliptic coordinates, but texts differ as to whether the ecliptic latitude reads 44° 10′ South or 41° 10′ South.[59] (Presently the ecliptic latitude is 43.5° South, but it has decreased by a fraction of a degree since Ptolemy's time due to proper motion.) In Ptolemy's time, Alpha Centauri was visible from Alexandria, Egypt, at 31° N, but, due to precession, its declination is now –60° 51′ South, and it can no longer be seen at that latitude.

Yeah there's enough consistency that we recognize it; but it's still not an accurate way to measure the age of the cosmos.

We can measure the age of the cosmos to ~1%. Do you know your weight to ~1%?
 
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My math skills are just fine thank you.

You wanna argue partial differential equations now?

Differential equations was a course that I crushed. Forty years ago. Since then I have not used it at all. I know less about that now than I did at the start of that course:(

I was the first to turn my final in. I had finished it. Went over the whole thing again and found no errors. It was also the first and only final with an "extra credit" question. I did that too. Where did all of that knowledge go?
 
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Differential equations was a course that I crushed. Forty years ago. Since then I have not used it at all. I know less about that now than I did at the start of that course:(

I was the first to turn my final in. I had finished it. Went over the whole thing again and found no errors. It was also the first and only final with an "extra credit" question. I did that too. Where did all of that knowledge go?
I'm sure that if you open a textbook on it today it will come back again (with some work). :)
 
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Did I say you needed to? I didn't ask you all to post to me you know.
By publicly expressing your views on a discussion forum you implicilty invite other members to reply to you. If you were unaware of that, you are now duly informed. (No need to thank me. :))
 
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Geologists do know that. You simply do not know how they know that.



There is no reasonable known way to accelerate C14 or break down other isotopes used in dating. This is just wishing and hoping by creationists not based on reality at all.



I am sorry but this makes no sense. What are you trying to claim? It appears that you do not realize that there are periods of deposition often interrupted by periods of erosion. Unconformities are to be expected.



Because they were totally different environments and totally different deposits. Most deposition environments are of slow steady deposition. A very few are not. Volcanic deposition can be very rapid.


Nope. They don't do that.



Nope. It is based on observation and testing. Your ideas fail the tests.



Nope, you are getting a lot of those. That was not a global event. And once again your last sentence is nonsense.



What "out of place fossisl"? I remember one case where it was due to what was an undiscovered thrust fault at the time. "Fossils out of place" are usually a sign of geology that is not fully understood. You can find them sometimes in mountainous regions. I don't know of any "out of place fossils" ever found in sediments unassociated with mountain building Guess what happens when you fold a bunch of rocks over millions of years? Sometimes one lay rides up over younger ones. There is a name for this. These are called Thrust Faults. They are not found in the Midwest for example.

Instead of spouting a bunch of nonsense hoping that one bit will stick why not ask questions one at a time? That is the honest way to approach a topic that you have zero understanding of.


The rare rare rare creo can admit to even one mistake.

Try just the "live animal c14 millions of years" one,
instead of answering all and complaining!

The most crazed creo on earth would surely admit that
C14 is only possible out to roughly 60,000.
 
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And to you it is a parable, could it be you who has not been granted the understanding of the mysteries.

Im not sure what exactly you mean. I’m not saying that Genesis is a parable, I’m saying that the reason the earth appears to be older than it is could be because of the same reason Jesus spoke in parables. So that those who refuse to humble themselves to God will not see the evidence of Him.
 
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Firstly I am female and secondly older than you, but yes we can all be learning.

Well OK. I'm female too and I'm 50; so are you actually older than me?
 
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That's literally how mystery cults work, public knowledge for recruiting and private knowledge for insiders and true believers.

But what does any of this have to do with YEC (pro/con)?

I don’t care what “mystery cults” do, that’s their business I’m merely explaining why God would make the earth appear to be older than it actually is, so that those who reject Him will not be forced to believe in Him based on conclusive evidence.
 
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