ID is officially dead.

[Occams Barber]

I wasn't talking about the guy who left for Biola University [sic], I was just comparing the total output of the "journal" to single (real) scientist. Then I realized it was less than my output.

Biola claims to be a real university, but I remain unconvinced.

Biola turns out to be a "private evangelical Christian University" founded in 1908.

"BIOLA" is an acronym for:

Bible Institute of Los Angeles
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Forbes rates it at 293.
Biola University - Wikipedia
OB

 

[NBB]

Thinking things built themselves with evo, even intelligence and conciousness themselves is a lot more far fetched than saying God made things, and i'm pretty sure about the God part actually because you can have a relationship with him.

 

[pitabread]

Thinking things built themselves with evo, even intelligence and conciousness themselves is a lot more far fetched than saying God made things,

Emergent properties seems a whole lot less far fetched than invoking an undefined supernatural entity and relying on special pleading to explain its existence.

Unless of course you can offer a cogent explanation for both God's existence and how they made stuff. But we know that isn't the case.

 

[NBB]

Emergent properties seems a whole lot less far fetched than invoking an undefined supernatural entity and relying on special pleading to explain its existence.

Unless of course you can offer a cogent explanation for both God's existence and how they made stuff. But we know that isn't the case.

You can see that ID is true with your own eyes, you are a biological machine with intelligence and conciousness, this is stuff humans with modern science are unable to comprehend, evo not even has any comprehension at all.

 

[Occams Barber]

Thinking things built themselves with evo, even intelligence and conciousness themselves is a lot more far fetched than saying God made things, and i'm pretty sure about the God part actually because you can have a relationship with him.

When you get a basic understanding of Evolution it really isn't that complicated or far fetched.

Mutation is nothing more than a few molecules being knocked out of place in the DNA of your germ cells (the cells used to make babies). Sometimes a change to your DNA means that it will slightly change any kids you have. If that change makes your kids more fit for life then they tend to have more kids (who have more kids) and that little change gradually gets passed on to the broader population. If this happens time after time through thousands and thousands of generations and millions of people, the little changes add up to big change. It happens to all living things and it can all be explained by natural processes.

The problem I see constantly is twofold.

• Creationists are generally not well informed about Evolution. They think they are or they claim they are but, when you get down to it, few of them really understand.

• Creationists tend to see the process as a linear one-at-a-time change so they are naturally incredulous about natural processes producing all that change

The Earth has been around for billions of years. We've had millions of life forms and untold billions of individual creatures from dung beetles to dinosaurs. Multiply billions of years by billions of individual living things and you have enough opportunities for almost anything to happen.

None of this stuff is made up. It's knowledge built up over 160 years of research by thousands of qualified experts and the new sciences, like DNA or molecular biology, are confirming and expanding on what the older science told us.

OB

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's what I told my mom once, when she caught me with my hand in the cookie jar.

It didn't work.

And yet you didn't learn from that lesson.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Fair enough. Not-random implies order, no? Wonder where that principle came from?

From the laws of nature. No need for a deity.

It is amazing how many Christians argue "I do not understand evolution, therefore it is wrong".

 

[pitabread]

You can see that ID is true with your own eyes, you are a biological machine with intelligence and conciousness, this is stuff humans with modern science are unable to comprehend, evo not even has any comprehension at all.

Maybe *you* can't comprehend it, but you don't speak for the rest of us. Your ignorance isn't our ignorance.

 

[NBB]

Maybe *you* can't comprehend it, but you don't speak for the rest of us. Your ignorance isn't our ignorance.

Sure, the same assumptions that christians are ignorant because God. That is old news.

 

[driewerf]

Sure, the same assumptions that christians are ignorant because God. That is old news.

Not christians. You.
And it isn't an assumption. It's a conclusion after reading your posts.
And it is not *because of god*. It is because you are unwilling to learn.

 

[pitabread]

Sure, the same assumptions that christians are ignorant because God. That is old news.

Not what I said at all.

 

[NBB]

Not christians. You.
And it isn't an assumption. It's a conclusion after reading your posts.
And it is not *because of god*. It is because you are unwilling to learn.

What i need to learn that God didn't make things? thats a lie, i know God exists, also there is very well educated people that doesn't believe in evolution.
Atheists and their 'edgy' attacks... thinking they know.

 

[Landon Caeli]

While I have my own personal beliefs of my own version of ID, what does anyone suppose the practical purpose of college ID courses would have been to begin with?

Was it to spur new scientific discoveries? Or was it a theological endeavor through and through?

...I just can't imagine anyone trying to get a job as a biologist or archeologist using some kind of degree in ID.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Not christians. You.
And it isn't an assumption. It's a conclusion after reading your posts.
And it is not *because of god*. It is because you are unwilling to learn.

Just out of curiosity, if someone is not pursuing a career in biology, why should they be willing to learn evolution?

 

[AV1611VET]

Just out of curiosity, if someone is not pursuing a career in biology, why should they be willing to learn evolution?

That's a good question.

I'd like to see the answer, myself.

 

[Frank Robert]

So because they shut down a building the idea is dead? All that tells us is that it isn't a profitable venue for those dedicated to it.

The fact that the Biologic Institute’s last published article was put on their web page in Jan. 2018 is also telling.

 

[VirOptimus]

Just out of curiosity, if someone is not pursuing a career in biology, why should they be willing to learn evolution?

Education and learning about reality is never a bad thing.

Just learning what is needed to get by is an incredibly dangerous thing for society as a fundamental pillar of democracy is an educated and rational populace.

 

[AV1611VET]

I wonder how many secular institutes have shut down?

 

[VirOptimus]

I wonder how many secular institutes have shut down?

Because... ?

 

[Frank Robert]

Just out of curiosity, if someone is not pursuing a career in biology, why should they be willing to learn evolution?

Perhaps for the simple reason that Evolution is a key unifying principle in biology.