ID is officially dead.

[Mark Quayle]

Well, yeah. Our own planet pre-dates the existence of the earliest life on it. Likewise, the universe is far older than life on this planet.

Yes, so it seems...

 

[Subduction Zone]

Is that a problem?

Does it also have the appearance of having evolved by accident?

Evolution is not "by accident". How can you debate against an idea that you totally lack understanding of?

 

[Mark Quayle]

Evolution is not "by accident". How can you debate against an idea that you totally lack understanding of?

Haha! No, not by accident.

 

[Hans Blaster]

If it ain't dead, it's limping along on life support.

Another indicator of the lack of research or attention to ID is the paucity of papers published in BIO-Complexity, an ID journal.

The Journal of Evolutionary Applications gets more research papers published in a single month than BIO-Complexity does in an entire year.

25 article in 11 years. Not a bad record for... one researcher (depends on field). Fewer than I have in the same period. I should start my own journal, that would eliminate those pesky referees.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Haha! No, not by accident.

Of course not. "By accident" is a dishonest attempt to slur how evolution works. The intention is to make others think that it is a totally random process, which it is not.

 

[AV1611VET]

ID is officially dead.

Long live Creationism!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Long live Creationism!

Creationism is even deader, hmm more dead? Anyway ID is at best a reanimated corpse where the zombies are stumbling and saying "brains! brains!" Creationism is the dead frog in a biology lab that you cannot get to kick even with the liberal use of electrodes.

 

[Friedrich Rubinstein]

We better not ask where the laws of nature come from (even a child knows that the existence of a law requires a law-giver). We also should not ask where matter actually comes from. Or where space comes from. We have to take all these things for granted, because otherwise we'd have to believe in an intelligent Creator

 

[pitabread]

Long live Creationism!

Not if creationist demographics trends are any indication...

(Made even worse for creationists in light of the pandemic.)

 

[Subduction Zone]

We better not ask where the laws of nature come from (even a child knows that the existence of a law requires a law-giver). We also should not ask where matter actually comes from. Or where space comes from. We have to take all these things for granted, because otherwise we'd have to believe in an intelligent Creator

Oh my! Massive equivocation fallacy.

Can't you do any better? Natural laws are descriptive. Human laws are proscriptive. There has never been shown the need of a writer of descriptive laws.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not if creationist demographics trends are any indication...

Is that supposed to be news to us?

Hint:

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

(Made even worse for creationists in light of the pandemic.)

As far as that pandemic, we were warned.

Leviticus 11:19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Is that supposed to be news to us?

Hint:

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;As far as that pandemic, we were warned.

Leviticus 11:19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.

No. Abusing the Bible does not mean that we were warned. Now you are making the same sort of error as this:

"There is no God" the Bible. Quotes out of context are an abuse, not a use.

 

[Sabertooth]

One can objectively examine contemporary phenomena without agreeing to how it got here.

Atomic theory, spheroid Earth et al. does not demand that I subscribe to evolution.

 

[AV1611VET]

No. Abusing the Bible does not mean that we were warned. Now you are making the same sort of error as this:

"There is no God" the Bible. Quotes out of context are an abuse, not a use.

That's what I told my mom once, when she caught me with my hand in the cookie jar.

It didn't work.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Of course not. "By accident" is a dishonest attempt to slur how evolution works. The intention is to make others think that it is a totally random process, which it is not.

Fair enough. Not-random implies order, no? Wonder where that principle came from?

 

[Job 33:6]

Ew, some guy from the creation institute was making 133 thousand a year?

It's no wonder their crap shoot ideas has been going on so long. I'd advocate for unicorns for that salary.

Gotta love america sometimes. Guys a complete fraud and makes six figures.

 

[hedrick]

25 article in 11 years. Not a bad record for... one researcher (depends on field). Fewer than I have in the same period. I should start my own journal, that would eliminate those pesky referees.

The ones listed on his web page are almost entirely in his own journal. The courses he is teaching both look to be about ID. As far as I can tell, Biola is a real university. They are accredited by a group that as far as I can tell also accredits UCLA. But that’s not a publication record many universities would find acceptable.

 

[AV1611VET]

Guys a complete fraud and makes six figures.

Chriss Angel makes 941.78 an hour.

 

[Hans Blaster]

The ones listed on his web page are almost entirely in his own journal. The courses he is teaching both look to be about ID. As far as I can tell, Biola is a real university. They are accredited by a group that as far as I can tell also accredits UCLA. But that’s not a publication record many universities would find acceptable.

I wasn't talking about the guy who left for Biola University [sic], I was just comparing the total output of the "journal" to single (real) scientist. Then I realized it was less than my output.

Biola claims to be a real university, but I remain unconvinced.

 

[hedrick]

I
Biola claims to be a real university, but I remain unconvinced.

Here's a Forbes review Biola University, though the text reads like a press release.