What do you believe about January 6th?

[Albion]

Whataboutism doesn't excuse January 6th and maybe it needs to be kept "endlessly before the public"....

"Whataboutism" doesn't excuse January 6, no. But using that word, which is a recent favorite of the far left and virtually their invention, does undermine the chances of the speaker being taken seriously.

The intention of those who started using the term was to shield the listener from any comparison to the lawlessness that occurred last year in over 30 American cities.

These were REAL instances of challenges to democracy, so to look at both January 6 and these other riots would do nothing to help the cause of those who want to make January 6 seem like the worst thing ever.

 

[renniks]

Not really. Manson didn't kill anyone, personally, at Cielo Drive or the LaBianca's. So my question stands.

Indeed it WOULD be silly for people to claim Trump is completely free of blame for what happened on Jan 6. But that's why I posited this question. To show how silly the Trump apologists' point is.

Again, Trump didn't order anyone to be killed. He didn't order anyone to commit any sort of violence whatsoever, and he renounced the violence that happened. Comparing him to Manson is silly. If you want to compare what he said with the current vice president's call for continued unrest in the streets you would be closer to the truth.

 

[TLK Valentine]

And likely don't consider BLM activists a mob... correct?

Only when they cause a riot.

 

[rjs330]

Not really. Manson didn't kill anyone, personally, at Cielo Drive or the LaBianca's. So my question stands.

Indeed it WOULD be silly for people to claim Trump is completely free of blame for what happened on Jan 6. But that's why I posited this question. To show how silly the Trump apologists' point is.

You assuming again. You are really good at that. Assuming Trump was like Manson. And assuming Trump instigated, or was directly involved in the attack. You have no evidence of that.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Too bad the woman wasn't black and the cop wasn't white that would put a wrinkle in the narrative even more.

I'd think a black woman at a Donald-inspired riot would stand out.

 

[KCfromNC]

The fact is..... it didn't amount to much at all.

Maybe we need a poll option for "Donald's fan club tried to violently take over the capitol but were too incompetent"?

 

[TLK Valentine]

You assuming again. You are really good at that. Assuming Trump was like Manson. And assuming Trump instigated, or was directly involved in the attack. You have no evidence of that.

Neither was Manson. Not only did Manson never pull a trigger, he also never explicitly order anyone to be killed.

 

[Sophrosyne]

It is ironic that when people's speech and actions are focused at a group of people the left wants to make it a special more serious condition than a single individual (hate crime) but in this instance they are showing us that it is more hateful to threaten an individual than a group of people by ignoring hate against cops and faking enragement over hate against Pence. It is ok to attack cops, to incite violence against them but not ok to attack a politician? Since when has our country gone whacko like this.
It is not ok for mostly white people to be protesting and attacking their mostly white oppressors (washington) but it is perfectly fine for people behind a BLM banner attacking police oppression?
This is insane.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

so to look at both January 6 and these other riots would do nothing to help the cause of those who want to make January 6 seem like the worst thing ever.

Did you leave a word out? I never dismissed other riots. Let's call them all what they are, anarchy. But the chaos at the capitol was intended to thwart the democratic process in action. It was unique in our time, especially as it was perpetrated under the guise of patriotism and God. Blasphemy!

 

[TLK Valentine]

Maybe we need a poll option for "Donald's fan club tried to violently take over the capitol but were too incompetent"?

Trump In 2007: Don't Hire People Who Are Smarter Than You

 

[Sophrosyne]

Maybe we need a poll option for "Donald's fan club tried to violently take over the capitol but were too incompetent"?

Polls are useless in this forum for the most part as the left and moderates so greatly outnumber those on the right that they will always show a 3-5 to 1 amount.

 

[Sophrosyne]

I'd think a black woman at a Donald-inspired riot would stand out.

That is poisoning the well type of statement. Should I call every BLM event a BLM inspired riot?

 

[Oneiric1975]

You assuming again. You are really good at that. Assuming Trump was like Manson. And assuming Trump instigated, or was directly involved in the attack. You have no evidence of that.

LOL. You may urinate on my leg but don't expect me to believe it is a refreshing spring rain (besides that's what your guy, Trump, is likely into. )

 

[rjs330]

Let's be consistent. The attack on the capital was done by a mob. BLM riots and attacks were done by a mob. Will any leftists agree?

The attack on the capital was really bad. A terrible incident that never should have happened. In the end, it was one incident that resulted in no deaths caused by the mob involved and very little property damage and few assaults. All those involved should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

The BLM riots were terrible incidents that never should have happened. Murder was comitted by them, thousands and thousands of assaults, billions in damage and attempted murder was committed. And there were MANY incidents. All those involved should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

How's that for consistency.

 

[rjs330]

LOL. You may urinate on my leg but don't expect me to believe it is a refreshing spring rain (besides that's what your guy, Trump, is likely into. )

Hmmm... Nope still no evidence. Just some silly comments.

 

[Oneiric1975]

Hmmm... Nope still no evidence. Just some silly comments.

...Manson did that too. He just made some comments. It was those nutjobs who lived with him at Spahn Ranch who apparently did the deeds. Charlie was just talkin'.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Polls are useless in this forum for the most part as the left and moderates so greatly outnumber those on the right that they will always show a 3-5 to 1 amount.

Ever wonder why elections don't show that same ratio?

 

[Albion]

But the chaos at the capitol was intended to thwart the democratic process in action.

No! It wasn't. This was not an attempt to overthrow the government, nor was this event the first attack upon the Capitol. Look it up! If you are concerned about violence, you'll find real violence in several other events in our history.

If you are unaware of them, that just takes us back to what I was saying about "whataboutism," the magic word that is most often used to mean "don't bother about those comparisons because we want this one to seem to be the only one that matters."

 

[TLK Valentine]

That is poisoning the well type of statement. Should I call every BLM event a BLM inspired riot?

Why stop now?

But seriously, you are free to call any event in which the leader of BLM gathers up a group of people they know to be planning violence and order them to march towards the den of their (real or imagined) enemies a "BLM inspired riot."

Meanwhile, ask yourself this question: Would the January 6 riots have occurred if Donald had conceded the election back in November, and not spread increasingly ridiculous "election fraud" conspiracy fantasies?

 

[Albion]

Polls are useless in this forum for the most part as the left and moderates so greatly outnumber those on the right that they will always show a 3-5 to 1 amount.

You don't think that this poll was put up in order to find out something, do you? To learn how the readers in general feel about the issue?

I of course realize that you know better. It was just created in order to produce a certain outcome. What's more, the wording of the poll question wasn't even accurate. It was more in the mode of ''Have you stopped beating your wife yet? Yes or No"