What do you believe about January 6th?

[Akita Suggagaki]

• Ashli Babbitt, 35, was murdered by a Capitol guard.

Murdered? I don't think so.


"As members of the mob continued to strike the glass doors, Ms. Babbitt attempted to climb through one of the doors where glass was broken out. An officer inside the Speaker’s Lobby fired one round from his service pistol, striking Ms. Babbitt in the left shoulder, causing her to fall back from the doorway and onto the floor."

Department of Justice Closes Investigation into the Death of Ashli Babbitt

 

[Albion]

Isn't 1 enough for you? Capitol Police officer Brian D. Sicknick

Brian Sicknick died of natural causes, according to the medical examiner.

In sum, no one was killed by the "insurrectionists."

Ashli Babbitt was, however, shot and killed by a Capitol guard for no apparent reason.

So, it wasn't 5 as I read here. And of the 4, only 1 was killed in the attack. But she was not one of the defenders of the building or a member of Congress or an employee of Congress. She was killed by a guard while menacing no one.

Some insurrection that was! Yet we were then treated to it being called the greatest threat to democracy in history, worse than Pearl Harbor or 9/11, and without precedent in the history of the Capitol--which is also a patently false claim.

 

[Guinan]

THE FACT THAT SECRET SERVICE HAD TO BE UTILIZED is itself a HUGE problem.

When someone makes a legitimate threat against a member of the Executive Branch they are usually not "let off". It is a crime.

IMO, it doesn't matter if some Trump supporters acknowledge the Capitol siege as an insurrection or not. What matters to me is that the Department of Justice, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Courts are taking the violent attack on the U.S. Capitol very seriously. And what's more important is the pro-Trump insurrectionists are being arrested and charged for their involvement in the siege.

479 people have been charged in the Capitol insurrection so far

Justice Dept. now expects to charge more than 500 in Capitol riot probe

Judge calls Capitol siege 'violent insurrection,' orders man who wore horns held

41 Texans charged in U.S. Capitol riot so far; many identified through social media, video

100 days later, the FBI has arrested more than 400 Capitol insurrectionists. About 10% are from Pa.

On a side note, essentialsaltes is doing an amazing job posting updates in his thread: Breach of the Capitol: Consequences, Repercussions & Reactions. I'd like to give a shout out for the excellent work.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

I believe that those who support or try to whitewash what happened on January 6 are going to be ultimately viewed the same way as those who say the Confederacy was right or “the South will rise again.”

 

[Albion]

I believe that those who support or try to whitewash what happened on January 6 are going to be ultimately viewed the same way as those who say the Confederacy was right or “the South will rise again.”

Why not? There rarely is a genuine connection between reality and the names that one political faction calls the people on the other side.

Nazi, warmonger, racist, traitor, and many more like these are used without any hesitation these days and without any accuracy, just as your post here predicts.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You said that as time goes by, people reinterpret. Most often they reinterpret to their own advantage and/or in accord with their existing political leanings.

With that in mind, which political faction (Left or Right, "Progressive" or Conservative, Democratic or Republican) talks about this event almost non-stop and makes it a major part of its election campaigning, etc.??

Not a difficult question to answer, is it?

Not at all -- nobody on the left wants this country to forget the failed coup attempt.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Maybe it's because we literally watched BLM do worse crap for a year and watched the News yawn about it. After awhile you just shrug and decide it must be the new normal. But when a few people on the right go off the rails suddenly it's an insurrection.

I disagree that protests that got out of hand last year are in any way worse than the president of the United States, the figurative and official head of the federal government attacking his own government to forcibly change the results of the election he lost. There is no comparison to this event in American history.

 

[RDKirk]

As time goes by people forget, reinterpret, deny and distort.

What do you believe happened in Washington on January 6, 2021?

Poll: Half of Republicans believe false accounts of deadly U.S. Capitol riot

Those people were overcome by a lying spirit of delusion.

Why else would a lawyer hire a private jet from Texas, break into the Capitol building, and then when arrested be in a state of wide-eyed amazement that anyone thought she'd done something wrong? Spiritual delusion.

 

[Guinan]

I disagree that protests that got out of hand last year are in any way worse than the president of the United States, the figurative and official head of the federal government attacking his own government to forcibly change the results of the election he lost. There is no comparison to this event in American history.

I couldn't agree more. The siege on the Capitol by Pro-Trump supporters was a direct and intentional attack upon the democracy of our country. It was an concentrated attempt to thwart the presidential election into Trump's favor. Mitch McConnell was correct (despite not having the background to stand up against Trump and convict him) when he said, "There's no question, none, that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day" (quote source).

Police Investigating Whether Lawmakers Gave Rioters Tour of Capitol Before Siege

Tim Ryan: Prosecutors reviewing video of Capitol tours given by lawmakers before riot

 

[TLK Valentine]

I disagree that protests that got out of hand last year are in any way worse than the president of the United States, the figurative and official head of the federal government attacking his own government to forcibly change the results of the election he lost. There is no comparison to this event in American history.

Well, about 15 years after losing his shot at "re"-election*, John Tyler eventually joined the Confederacy... but we can't really attribute that to being a sore loser, can we?

*(Tyler was never elected President in the first place, having succeeded Harrison after his death)

 

[Vylo]

We had a BLM protest here and I didn't make too much of it after a few evenings watching it live a little in the background while doing other things I got bored with it and consider it a minor incident as no deaths and I didn't hear of any serious injuries to non protesters or anyone only some criminal acts of vandalism and looting went on and the police handled it normally as far as I know. I don't really see a protest the size of that of Jan 6 that got a little out of hand anything extraordinary other than an officer? killed someone and another officer died I think of a hard attack or stroke or something to have that few issues and no burning and it seems almost no looting to me is better results from a "riot" than expected. To propagate the notion these people are terrorists and put the full weight of the media and government down on them is irresponsible.
I recall shows old westerns where someone was accused of murder and a few "bad apples" riled everyone up and had them convinced that the person was guilty and that the law would let them off and they had to take justice in their own hands. The left is IMO acting just like those bad apples these days convicting people without their day in court everyone is guilty and more guilty if they aren't a BLM supporter than a Trump supporter when it comes to "protests" and "riots".

I think the media needs to shut up and leave the guilt to the justice system and stop tainting the potential jurors to the point of making them think like a lynch mob.

They literally were a lynch mob. They had gallows erected and were screaming "Hang Mike Pence" while breaking into the building he was in.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Why not? There rarely is a genuine connection between reality and the names that one political faction calls the people on the other side.

Nazi, warmonger, racist, traitor, and many more like these are used without any hesitation these days and without any accuracy, just as your post here predicts.

This isn’t separate political factions. This is America on one side and a group of people who didn’t get their way and tried to overthrow the United States government. If you want to stand with traitors, that’s your call but don’t coming crying to me when you get labeled a degenerate because of it. We are the choices we make, those people chose treason, I encourage you to not make the same mistake.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Brian Sicknick died of natural causes, according to the medical examiner.

In sum, no one was killed by the "insurrectionists."

Ashli Babbitt was, however, shot and killed by a Capitol guard for no apparent reason.

So, it wasn't 5 as I read here. And of the 4, only 1 was killed in the attack. But she was not one of the defenders of the building or a member of Congress or an employee of Congress. She was killed by a guard while menacing no one.

Some insurrection that was! Yet we were then treated to it being called the greatest threat to democracy in history, worse than Pearl Harbor or 9/11, and without precedent in the history of the Capitol--which is also a patently false claim.

So no big deal? Justified? Maybe that should have ben the poll question. How many here think the capitol "incident" on January 6th was justified.

I cant believe these reactions.

 

[Oneiric1975]

I believe that those who support or try to whitewash what happened on January 6 are going to be ultimately viewed the same way as those who say the Confederacy was right or “the South will rise again.”

As one of my friends used to say when someone would say "The South's gonna do it again!" My friend would say "What, lose?"

 

[Isilwen]

As one of my friends used to say when someone would say "The South's gonna do it again!" My friend would say "What, lose?"

As a born and bred Yankee, but now living in Florida, I can appreciate that comment!

 

[Oneiric1975]

As a born and bred Yankee, but now living in Florida, I can appreciate that comment!

I spent my fair share of years living in the deep South. It was actually quite interesting to see how things we were taught about history as kids back in the Midwest are somehow slightly different down there.

 

[Isilwen]

I spent my fair share of years living in the deep South. It was actually quite interesting to see how things we were taught about history as kids back in the Midwest are somehow slightly different down there.

Yeah. My girlfriend does remind me though, that the further south in Florida that you get, the more northern it becomes. From like Gainesville north is really more what you would expect from Southerners, than Central Florida where we live.

 

[Sophrosyne]

They literally were a lynch mob. They had gallows erected and were screaming "Hang Mike Pence" while breaking into the building he was in.

I will let the courts decide what is and isn't. I've seen examples of those on the left that threatened to kill Trump that were ignored totally, Biden threatened to "beat him up" and was given a pass. It is very likely these people may not have really harmed Pence at all even if they caught him they may have just tied him up and made a show of things. I would say if they were truly after Pence they would have brought their game, major weapons to take out his protection. If they were not heavily armed.. or armed at all then the courts may consider the situation just free speech.

 

[Oneiric1975]

the courts may consider the situation just free speech.

It is interesting to see a voice from the Right decree that free speech includes up to and including threatening grievous bodily harm to the Vice President of the US accompanied by the construction of an actual GALLOWS for the purpose.

I'm sure the next time some Left-winger burns and American flag we'll hear the Right say "Yeah, that's legitimate free speech, too!"

Meanwhile "cancel culture" is an abomination!

 

[Isilwen]

It is very likely these people may not have really harmed Pence at all even if they caught him they may have just tied him up and made a show of things.

And that is still okay?