JESUS and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

[LoveGodsWord]

I would be very willing LGW if they were valid questions. You weaseled the for Israel only command that was done away into the equation. I cannot trust what you ask, so I chose not to respond.


What you are doing is not okay and since you are on the subject of truth, what you teach is truth is certainly no what the Bible teaches as being true. I have proven that over and over.


To tell you the truth LGW I have decided that I will stop looking up all the verses you shake from your sleeve. I have proved over and over that those verses do not correspond to the subject we are debating. For the life of me I do not understand what you are trying to prove or who you are trying to prove something to by using all those verses that add nothing to the subject.

Bob, you of course are free to do and believe whatever you wish as we all answer only to God come judgement day according to the scriptures. Our salvation is between us and God not me and you so I do not judge you but out of my duty of love to both you and God I believe I have an obligation to share Gods' Word if I see a brother in error. As posted earlier you do not need to address my posts with all the scriptures and questions asked of you that disagree with you if you do not want to. I believe I have done my duty of love to you by sharing God's Word that shows why your claims in regards to the scriptures are not true and this was only done in love and as a help to you. I posted it for everyone to see not just you. My prayer however is that you might receive Gods' Word and be blessed. As posted earlier ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear. This is something we should all consider. I include myself here as well.

 

[Studyman]

Remember what Jesus said, "A house divided will not stand." Evil spirits are not going to do anything that brings glory to God, oh they may do some amazing things, but once the focus is place on Christ, they are gone. If a preacher is preaching false doctrine, then that is on him or her, if I buy into that false teaching then shame on me because I didn't attempt to confirm it's accuracy. Our pastor tells us regularly, check my teaching, make sure I'm on track, and our church board does.
I did my homework and that is why I'm no longer associated with the SDA denomination, even though I love so many people associated with it.

So then, why did you follow the religious franchise called SDA? Were you not deceived at that time?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So then, why did you follow the religious franchise called SDA? Were you not deceived at that time?

I am just wondering, you could apply this question to yourself could you not? My franchise is only the Word of God and no one is deceived by following God's Word as it is a light to our path when the road is dark and narrow. We are only deceived by not following Gods 'Word according to the scriptures as there is no lamp to light the way. That is why the blind fall into a ditch. We should not want to find our self in that situation.

 

[Bob S]

Bob, you of course are free to do and believe whatever you wish as we all answer only to God come judgement day according to the scriptures.

It would seem like you have not claimed Jesus promise in Jn 5:24 24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
Jesus further states in Jn 15:9-14 that He kept the laws of the old covenant and we are to keep them too. Wait, that wasn't what Jesus said. I get so confused after reading what you write and what scripture tells us. Jesus exact words to us are: 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

Our salvation is between us and God not me and you so I do not judge you but out of my duty of love to both you and God I believe I have an obligation to share Gods' Word if I see a brother in error. As posted earlier you do not need to address my posts with all the scriptures and questions asked of you that disagree with you if you do not want to. I believe I have done my duty of love to you by sharing God's Word that shows why your claims in regards to the scriptures are not true and this was only done in love and as a help to you.

Contrary to what you are telling me what you write I see judgement in all your posts. If we don't believe as LGW we are damned. Of course, you conveniently disguise those indictments, but they are there none the less. Yes, you have done your duty, but to who is the question?? Certainly not to the ones who skim over your posts and do not read all the scripture that does not relate to the topic. It is not love when you post things contrary to scripture. Telling others that they are wrong because we worship on a day other that what you do and that we will face the judgment for not keeping commands that were done away is heresy. It is heresy because you have been told by Paul in 2Cor 3 that what WAS glorious has been done away. Your refuse to believe and you continue spreading falsehood.

I posted it for everyone to see not just you. My prayer however is that you might receive Gods' Word and be blessed. As posted earlier ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear. This is something we should all consider. I include myself here as well.

If you would not ignore the true meaning of all of Paul's writings, Jesus's words in John's writings, 1Jn 3:19-24 you would not be telling us we sin by not observing a day that was never intended to be used by anyone but Israel.

 

[Leaf473]

We should be careful not to harden our hearts as those who did not believe and follow God's Word did in order to continue in sin in the wilderness. This is the warning given us in Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4. According to the scriptures we can grieve and quench the Spirit of God *Ephesians 4:30; 1 Thessalonians 5:19 by closing our eyes and ears to seeing and hearing Gods' Word *Matthew 13:14-15; Acts of the Apostles 28:26-27 from Isaiah 6:9-10. According to the scriptures, if we harden our hearts *Hebrews 3:15; Hebrews 4:7 to hearing God's Word Gods' Spirit will leave us and there will be no more conviction of sin *John 16:8 but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come which will devour the adversaries *Hebrews 10:26-31. No one loves God according to the scriptures by breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments *1 John 5:3; 2 John 1:6; John 14:15; John 15:10. That would be sin or not believing God's Word *1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; Romans 14:23. In fact, sin or breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments is not loving God or our fellow man according to Matthew 22:36-40; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12; 1 John 5:2-3. Love is not separate from God's law it is expressed through obedience to Gods' law in all those who through faith *Ephesians 2:8-9 have been born again *1 John 3:9 with a new heart to love and walk in God's Spirit *Galatians 5:16; Romans 3:31 which is God's new covenant promise in all those who believe and follow His Word *Hebrews 8:10-12; from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27; John 8:31-34. This of course is my prayer for all of us (I include myself in this post). Therefore we should follow the scriptures and examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith or not *2 Corinthians 13:5. Those who are born of God do not practice sin *1 John 3:9. Those who do have not seen him and neither do they know him according to 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6 and Matthew 7:21-23. for me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29. No one loves God or their fellow man according to the scriptures by breaking Gods' commandments (more scripture here and here).

Something we should all pray about.

Well hello there, LoveGodsWord!

I see that you put the "winner" sticker on our sister @imge 's post #1578 , so I'm going to assume you would prefer me to deal with the overall meaning of passages as well.

So, two things:

First off, I'm not completely sure that we actually disagree in practice on very many things.

Suppose my neighbor comes over on a Saturday and asks me to help her with repair her fence so her dog doesn't keep getting out. So I help her in the name of the Lord. It turns out to be a big job, take several hours.

(imge and I talked about a similar situation.)

In my view, I haven't broken the forth commandment. How does it look to you?

He would be interesting to find out that after all this time we actually agree on the basics of keeping the fourth commandment in practice.

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Now, please let me know if this second thing is too much focus on detail for your taste.

I don't think that a fulfilled commandment can be broken. That's the only way I found so far to make the entire Bible fit together well on the subject of the law.

How does that sound to you?

 

[Leaf473]

Gentiles are not saved in God's kingdom as they do not believe and follow God's Word. Only those who believe and follow Gods' Word receive Gods' promises as Gods' salvation is conditional on believing and following Gods' Word (John 8:31-36). Gods ISRAEL in the new covenant are all those who believe and follow Gods' Word. In the new covenant Gods' ISRAEL is no longer those born of the flesh but all those who are born again in the Spirit who believe and follow Gods' Word *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29. God's new covenant promise is to ISRAEL *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27. According to the scriptures if we are not a part of God's ISRAEL we have no part of God's new covenant promise. Gentile believers are now grafted in place of Jewish unbelievers *Romans 11:13-27; Ephesians 2:11-13 and we are all not one in Christ (Colossians 3:11; Romans 10:11-13). Therefore God's ISRAEL in the new covenant promise of Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27 are no longer those born in the flesh but all those who are now born in the Spirit through faith who believe and follow Gods' Word. If we are not a part of God's ISRAEL we have no part in Gods' new covenant promise (need more scripture).

From the scriptures, it looks to me like God still has plans for natural Israel. Based on that, I don't think we can say that everything from the Old testament that talked about Israel now applies to us.

I think a great passage on the subject starts here
Romans 9 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brothers' sake, my relatives according to the flesh, who are Israelites.

And ends here
Romans 11 and so all Israel will be saved. Even as it is written, "There will come out of Zion the Deliverer, and he will turn away ungodliness from Jacob.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It would seem like you have not claimed Jesus promise in Jn 5:24 24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
Jesus further states in Jn 15:9-14 that He kept the laws of the old covenant and we are to keep them too. Wait, that wasn't what Jesus said. I get so confused after reading what you write and what scripture tells us. Jesus exact words to us are: 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command.


Contrary to what you are telling me what you write I see judgement in all your posts. If we don't believe as LGW we are damned. Of course, you conveniently disguise those indictments, but they are there none the less. Yes, you have done your duty, but to who is the question?? Certainly not to the ones who skim over your posts and do not read all the scripture that does not relate to the topic. It is not love when you post things contrary to scripture. Telling others that they are wrong because we worship on a day other that what you do and that we will face the judgment for not keeping commands that were done away is heresy. It is heresy because you have been told by Paul in 2Cor 3 that what WAS glorious has been done away. Your refuse to believe and you continue spreading falsehiood.

If you would not ignore the true meaning of all of Paul's writings, Jesus's words in John's writings, 1Jn 3:19-24 you would not be telling us we sin by not observing a day that was never intended to be used by anyone but Israel.

If you really believe in Jesus you are going to obey. It's really that simple.

You can take many one line scriptures in the Bible and can believe that it wipes out the other plethora of scripture you seem to want to disregard. The Bible is one fluid book and many verses build on others. There is no contradictions in the Bible only grave misunderstandings.

Revelations 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

God’s saints both keep God’s commandments and has the faith in Jesus. So when you really believe in Jesus you believe Him when He says, if you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15 , John 15:10

 

[Leaf473]

The purpose of the sabbath was for a day of rest, and during that rest period we should spend time focused on our heavenly Father, what day you pick is up to you.

Yes, I agree with the thrust of what you're saying. I actually think we can take it a step further:
The seventh day was to be a day that we rested from our work. As Christians we are bought by God so all of our work now is (hopefully) God's work.

You are right on about love. What does Paul say about lack of love? Jesus made if very clear what He desires from His people, and Saturday sabbath wasn't one of them.

Yep, Justice righteousness and mercy!

However in the apocrypha of Thomas he makes a statement about keeping the sabbath but we don't need to worry about the SDA throwing that one at us because they don't read the apocrypha's.

Yes, the good ol' Gospel of Thomas from the pseudepigrapha. Who decided it wasn't scripture? A general look at history says it was the same people who changed the scheduled worship day from Saturday to Sunday.

Here is another thought and question I have. Paul makes many claims, are they opinion or law? If law, what gives him the authority? Might as well stir the pot.

Some of them I think he says are basically opinions, but then he goes on to say
1 Corinthians 14 If any man thinks himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him recognize the things which I write to you, that they are the commandment of the Lord.

 

[RBPerry]

So then, why did you follow the religious franchise called SDA? Were you not deceived at that time?

My family insisted I attend SDA schools. I was an devout Adventist at the time I started college, by my senior year I was almost an agnostic, (long story, won't bore anyone with it). I wore out my welcome at Loma Linda so I finished my education at UC Berkeley.

 

[Leaf473]

It does, but I disagree. I do not think God's Ten Commandments are shadow laws (which means no longer applicable) like animal sacrifice, feasts days, physical circumcision because it would be contradicting the Apostle Paul

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

Contradicting Jesus Mathew 5:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

Mathew 19:16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

17 So He said to him “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

And contradicting John
Revelations 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Plus more contradictions because we are told God's Ten are an eternal covenant Psalms 89:34, Psalms 111:7,8

I agree that it contradicts
your understanding
of those passages.

I think my view of the scriptures fits very well with those passages. In fact, it was the existence of those passages that led me to the position I have!

But without going into details, I don't think we will find which parts of those passages we interpret differently.

We also know they are not shadow laws, because Jesus said for the future
Mathew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: Why would it matter if the Sabbath was a "shadow" law? Because God's Sabbath will never be a shadow law which is clearly written that it will go on forever for those saved Isaiah 66:23

I think Isaiah 63 also indicates that the new moon festival will go on forever, so if we follow that reasoning, it would not be a shadow law either.

I have a different understanding of Matthew 24 and 25 such that it all lines up well with my view of the Sabbath

Details do matter and I was not suggesting they don't, but you do not want to be so focused on one small detail you miss the entire message.

Absolutely! And I think the message is that
the entire law is fulfilled.

To me it's the way that makes sense out of the entire Bible.

If we are led by God's Spirit we are not going to sin. As soon as you sin, which is breaking God's laws, than you are no longer under God's Spirit.

Got a bit of a conundrum here, don't we?

How can we break a commandment that we are not under?

Jesus promises a Helper to KEEP the commandments that He has asked- do you not believe Jesus? John 14:15

I think you are mistaken in your understanding of that passage.

Don't fool yourself thinking its okay to sin because you *think* you are being led by God when sinning. You are only deceiving yourself. The definition of sin is lawlessness even in the NT. Breaking God's laws is sinning. 1 John 3:4

I agree with what you said the first time, sin is lawlessness.

I'm certainly not advocating being without law. Did you perceive that I was?

What we are under is the New Covenant, God's laws written in our hearts.

Absolutely! Now if I say that the fourth commandment is not written on my heart, would you have to conclude that I am not a Christian?

We turn away from sin, breaking God's laws because for those led by God's Spirit we have a changed heart. We no longer obey God because it is a commandment, we obey because of our love for Jesus John 15:10, John 14:15, 1 John 5:3

Absolutely again! And what we obey is the intention of the law, not the letters.

Why would you not apply this reasoning to all of God's commandments and not just the ones you're interested in keeping?

I do apply that reasoning to all of God's commandments! I don't want to do my work on the sabbath, or any other day. Just this morning I mowed God's lawn!

Maybe something to pray about?

I have prayed about it, and God led me to the position I have. I have complete confidence before God.

Would you like to pray about these things together?

God bless

And also with you!

 

[Studyman]

My family insisted I attend SDA schools. I was an devout Adventist at the time I started college, by my senior year I was almost an agnostic, (long story, won't bore anyone with it). I wore out my welcome at Loma Linda so I finished my education at UC Berkeley.

Yes, it is religious tradition to belong to an organized religious franchise. I never partook of the SDA Franchise. By the time I knew they even existed, I had already escaped the religious franchise my family had adopted for generations.

It wasn't until I started studying on my own, that I was able to see the difference between what Jesus taught, and what the popular religious businesses of this world taught.

 

[Leaf473]

Don't fool yourself thinking its okay to sin because you *think* you are being led by God when sinning.

Kind of a follow-up question here.

Do you perceive the Holy Spirit to be kind of a weak entity? Someone that just kind of nudges us?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I agree that it contradicts
your understanding
of those passages.

I think my view of the scriptures fits very well with those passages. In fact, it was the existence of those passages that led me to the position I have!

But without going into details, I don't think we will find which parts of those passages we interpret differently.


I think Isaiah 63 also indicates that the new moon festival will go on forever, so if we follow that reasoning, it would not be a shadow law either.

I have a different understanding of Matthew 24 and 25 such that it all lines up well with my view of the Sabbath


Absolutely! And I think the message is that
the entire law is fulfilled.

To me it's the way that makes sense out of the entire Bible.


Got a bit of a conundrum here, don't we?

How can we break a commandment that we are not under?


I think you are mistaken in your understanding of that passage.


I agree with what you said the first time, sin is lawlessness.

I'm certainly not advocating being without law. Did you perceive that I was?


Absolutely! Now if I say that the fourth commandment is not written on my heart, would you have to conclude that I am not a Christian?


Absolutely again! And what we obey is the intention of the law, not the letters.


I do apply that reasoning to all of God's commandments! I don't want to do my work on the sabbath, or any other day. Just this morning I mowed God's lawn!


I have prayed about it, and God led me to the position I have. I have complete confidence before God.

Would you like to pray about these things together?

And also with you!

TBH Leaf. I see a lot of opinions that is not backed up with scriptures. Your opinion contradicts so many scriptures and you didn't bother addressing any of them.

I think when someone is convinced in their mind what they want to believe no amount scripture is going to change that. For example, Isaiah 66:23 doesn't say anything about festivals, you added that. A new moon is a month. So if you read the scripture in its proper context it says from month to month and week to week God's Sabbath, the day He said is an eternal covenant and is his holy day, we will continue (for those saved) to worship Him on His holy Sabbath.

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

I would like to pray that you will find Truth in God's Word and will come to the understanding true love and true belief comes with obeying some very simple commandments. Even in God's commandments He tells us a very important message.

Exodus 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

I am sorry you don't believe the Words left by our Savior . John 14:15, John 15:10 I will pray for you. God bless.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Kind of a follow-up question here.

Do you perceive the Holy Spirit to be kind of a weak entity? Someone that just kind of nudges us?

The holy Spirit convicts us of sin John 16:7-11 and we know what sin is by breaking God's laws. 1 John 3:4

The feeling you get when you know you should not be doing something is the holy Spirit trying to reach you. Some grieve away the Spirit by continuing in sin and no longer can be reached. Only God knows when that time has come. Right now it's not to late for anyone, but you must be willing to repent, turn from sin, which means keeping God's commandments. Jesus even promises a Helper John 14:15-18. Weird Jesus would offer this if the whole law was shadows.

 

[Leaf473]

I do finding it amazing all these ex-SDA's spending so much time trying to discredit God's Sabbath. I know I would never spend so much time on something I didn't believe in. But that's me....

I can't speak for other people, but I spend time here putting forward the idea that the entire law has been fulfilled as the scripture says. This establishes the Sabbath.

I mean this next part gently. My impression is that you want to discredit the idea that the law is fulfilled. So, I believe you actually do spend a lot of time on something you don't believe in.

Peace be with you!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I can't speak for other people, but I spend time here putting forward the idea that the entire law has been fulfilled as the scripture says. This establishes the Sabbath.

I mean this next part gently. My impression is that you want to discredit the idea that the law is fulfilled. So, I believe you actually do spend a lot of time on something you don't believe in.

Peace be with you!

Unless I missed something this section is called the Sabbath and the law, which is something I 1000% believe in.

Also, to correct your statement about God's laws, God said He wrote them in our hearts in the New Covenant and Jesus said if you love Me, keep My commandments. I believe your definition of "fulfilled" means a shadow law, which means "not required" yes, I disagree with this definition because you would literally have to remove the majority of the bible to make this fit. Including one of the last verses in the Bible before those who do keep His commandments, entering into eternal life

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Why would it matter if all laws are shadows?

 

[Leaf473]

Perhaps you might like to take up the challenge which your friends have declined and show from the scriptures how in your opinion love is separated from obedience to Gods' law?

Perhaps the issue is in the wording?

Love and obedience to the law are not separate, they often overlap.

But we are not under the law, is I think the big picture way to talk about it.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It would seem like you have not claimed Jesus promise in Jn 5:24 24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

Sorry Bob, it seems you would be wrong again. I claim all of God's promises which are for all those who believe and follow Gods' Word. However let's be clear here. According to the scriptures, no one can claim to believe in God while not following what Gods' Word says. James calls this kind of belief the faith of devils or dead faith in James 2:17-20; 26. Jesus also making this clear when he says "Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven. - Matthew 7:21. or My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me (John 10:27). Therefore we do not "believe" in God by not doing what Gods' Word says.

Jesus further states in Jn 15:9-14 that He kept the laws of the old covenant and we are to keep them too. Wait, that wasn't what Jesus said. I get so confused after reading what you write and what scripture tells us.

That is because I said no such thing. Jesus says; Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one stroke or one pronunciation mark shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. - Matthew 5:17-20. These are Gods' Words not my words and we should believe and follow them. Gods Word does not teach lawlessness (without law) which is what you are teaching Bob.

Jesus exact words to us are: 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

Where did I say otherwise? I didn't. So your point here is? You did not make one accept to insinuate I was not saying Gods' Word which is not true. If you disagree then prove your claims if you cannot why pretend I am saying things that are not true? I will leave that question between you and God to work through, you do not have to answer it here.

Contrary to what you are telling me what you write I see judgement in all your posts. If we don't believe as LGW we are damned. Of course, you conveniently disguise those indictments, but they are there none the less. Yes, you have done your duty, but to who is the question?? Certainly not to the ones who skim over your posts and do not read all the scripture that does not relate to the topic. It is not love when you post things contrary to scripture.

Bob, as posted earlier I do not judge you as we are all sinners in need of God's salvation. God knows my heat not you. According to the scriptures we are not to judge anyone *Romans 2:1-11 If I share Gods' Word with you and it disagrees with your teachings you feel judged than perhaps it is Gods' Spirit who the scriptures teach convicts the world of sin and righteousness and of the judgement to come *John 16:8. I share Gods' Word with you and they are Gods' Words not my words but it seems you do not believe them. According to the scriptures Gods' sheep hear Gods' Word and follow him. Those who do not hear do not follow because they are not His Sheep according to *John 10:26-27. Let's pray we do not find ourselves in that group of people spoken of in Isaiah the prophet that Jesus and Paul quote that close their eyes and ears to seeing and hearing Gods' Word (Isaiah 6:9-10; Matthew 13:15-16; Acts of the Apostles 28:26-27).

Telling others that they are wrong because we worship on a day other that what you do and that we will face the judgment for not keeping commands that were done away is heresy. It is heresy because you have been told by Paul in 2Cor 3 that what WAS glorious has been done away. Your refuse to believe and you continue spreading falsehood.

Bob, I have only posted Gods' Word and it indeed disagrees with your words. So your argument here is between you and God who's words they are not me and you. According to Gods' Word (not my words) Gods' 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) that gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and righteousness when obeyed *Psalms 119:172.

According to James if we knowingly break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11 (James 4:17; Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31). According to Paul if God gives us a knowledge of the truth of God's Word and we reject it in order to continue in known unrepentant sin we are in danger of the judgement in Hebrews 10:26-31. These dear friend are all Gods Words not my words. Now what is it here you do not believe? There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that teaches Gods' 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day of rest. This is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many to break Gods' commandments. Jesus say in Matthew 15:3-9 that if we choose to follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God we are not following God. So who should we believe and follow God or man? For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them according to the scriptures *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29.

It is your claims that 2 Corinthians 3 teach that Gods' 10 commandments have been abolished is not true that is in contradiction to scripture. Your teachings here are not biblical and have been shown through the scriptures already in posts you refuse to respond to here linked and here linked, showing why your interpretation of 2 Corinthians 3 is not true. All you have posted here is what you posted earlier while I am still waiting for you to respond to the linked posts and scriptures already provided to you that show why your teachings and claims here are not true.

If you would not ignore the true meaning of all of Paul's writings, Jesus's words in John's writings, 1Jn 3:19-24 you would not be telling us we sin by not observing a day that was never intended to be used by anyone but Israel.

I do not ignore Gods' Words. As already shown you through the scriptures Gods' love is not separate from Gods' Law it is expressed in obedience to Gods' law in those who have been born again to walk in Gods' Spirit. Once again this has already been addressed in a detailed scripture response in two posts you refuse to respond to here linked and here linked. These of course are God's Word not my words.

So what is it that you do not believe from the scriptures shared with you here Bob?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Perhaps the issue is in the wording?

Love and obedience to the law are not separate, they often overlap.

But we are not under the law, is I think the big picture way to talk about it.

According to the scriptures in Romans 3:19-20 we are only "under the law" if we stand before God guilty of breaking the law. If you agree that love is not separate from Gods' law and is expressed in obedience to Gods law as shown through the scriptures already here linked and here linked, then the rest is easy (Hebrews 4:1-9) which of course includes Gods' 4th commandment which is our duty of love to God.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It wasn't until I started studying on my own, that I was able to see the difference between what Jesus taught, and what the popular religious businesses of this world taught.

Goodness, and what would that be? Are you trying to claim here that everyone is lost except you. Sorry I am only asking for clarification so I am not misunderstanding your posts here.