Noachian Flood discussion - Bible skeptics vs Lion IRC and friends :)

[Bradskii]

So if Noah dismantled it... what does Ron Wyatt discover every few years?

Chez Noah. 1, Pinnacle Road, Mount Ararat.

 

[Bobber]

And then I thought about my reactions. I'd thought about our kids and who was going to tell them. I wondered how much it was going to hurt. But I realised I'd made no pact with anyone for help. There was no 'Please God...'.

Not sure what you're saying. Are you saying you're proud of yourself that you maintained a composure of being a self made man?

Strangely enough I felt...reassured by that. I'd always classed myself as an atheist and it seemed that when the chips were down I didn't unconsciously play the Pascal card. I'd been in the foxhole and emerged still an atheist.

And....what's your point? When Jesus was on the cross the other two on each side of him....one called out for mercy....the other did not. So are we to believe the one that didn't call out for mercy did the right thing? And what if God at the end of your life's journey tells you I allowed your life to be extended once to show you mercy. Are you going to claim he never did such a thing?

 

[Bradskii]

Remind me never to be at God's mercy.

Well, if you're guilty then you have it coming. But if you're innocent then..oh, actually, you're still down for a drowning.

 

[Bradskii]

Not sure what you're saying. Are you saying you're proud of yourself that you maintained a composure of being a self made man?

No. Reassured. I explained it reasonably well, I thought. I'm not going to repeat myself.

 

[trophy33]

Even when I was still a christian, I knew that the bible flood story was mythology. A parable meant to teach us something deeper. Not a factual account of an actual event.
The story was just too far fetched to be real.
No adult can buy this.

It may reflect some real world event, even though some details of it are understandably lost or made to be more symbolic (like 40 days, a dove etc.).

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Visible to Noah...from the point on earth where Noah was.
The water could have been receding and the Ark could have been floating in an area where the mountain height was so low that they only became visible late in the timeline...notwithstanding the fact that OTHER mountains on the other side ot the globe were already visible.

THATS a contextual reality of topography.

You said you would only use what the bible actually says. Your arguments fail as they require you to add to what is there.

 

[MIDutch]

If anyone is beat, Brad, it's their fault.

Some try very hard not to understand, and they're good at it.

Or, alternatively, some are perfectly capable of understanding but aren't convinced due to a complete and utter lack of supporting objective evidence.

 

[MIDutch]

Even when I was still a christian, I knew that the bible flood story was mythology. A parable meant to teach us something deeper. Not a factual account of an actual event.
The story was just too far fetched to be real.
No adult can buy this.

That's the way the nuns taught it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Remind me never to be at God's mercy.

That word next to your faith button does that.

 

[AV1611VET]

So if Noah dismantled it... what does Ron Wyatt discover every few years?

Not the Ark. That's for sure.

 

[AV1611VET]

Even when I was still a christian, I knew that the bible flood story was mythology.

Then what happened?

 

[MIDutch]

Then what happened?

.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Then what happened?

Then I had my 8th birthday

 

[AV1611VET]

Then I had my 8th birthday

And?

 

[inquiring mind]

A few years ago my wife and I were involved in a traffic incident where, for a few long seconds, I was pretty certain that our time was up (it unfortunately was for three others). And standing together shortly after, waiting for the emergency services, she said something odd. She said 'I didn't scream, did I'. I think she wanted to confirm to herself that she'd kept it together. Which she had.

And then I thought about my reactions. I'd thought about our kids and who was going to tell them. I wondered how much it was going to hurt. But I realised I'd made no pact with anyone for help. There was no 'Please God...'.

Strangely enough I felt...reassured by that. I'd always classed myself as an atheist and it seemed that when the chips were down I didn't unconsciously play the Pascal card. I'd been in the foxhole and emerged still an atheist.

I think the fox hole quote pertains to being subjected to longer periods of the stress you were under for a brief moment. But, my expertise is in physics, so...

 

[Mr Laurier]

And?

And what?
I continued to believe that Jesus the one and only son of Jehova. I continued to pray daily. I continued to be a christian.
This went on for another 12 years.
Accepting at age 7, that the bible flood story was a cute fairy tale, did not affect anything else.
But you have a script to follow, And that script tells you something huge happened. So tell me what it was that your script requires.

 

[AV1611VET]

This went on for another 12 years.

Then what happened?

 

[Mr Laurier]

Then what happened?

Then I moved out on my own, and left the sheltered world of home.
Look. Just tell me what your script says happened.
Stop playing this idiotic game of teasing out the "real" story by nibbling me to death.

 

[Mr Laurier]

I think the fox hole quote pertains to being subjected to longer periods of the stress you were under for a brief moment. But, my expertise is in physics, so...

I experienced multiple years of continuous terror as an adult. I remained an atheist.

 

[Hans Blaster]

The thing that puzzles me about the 'Black Sea Flood' hypothesis is that at present there are several large rivers (the Danube, the Dniester, the Dnieper and the Don in Europe, and the Sakarya and the Kizil Irmak in Turkey) that flow into the Black Sea. As a result the level of the Black Sea is higher than that of the Mediterranean and the present water flow is from the Black Sea into the Mediterranean.

If the same rivers existed when the Black Sea was cut off from the Mediterranean, they should have filled the Black Sea basin until the sea overflowed into the Mediterranean, as it does at present. A flow of water from the Mediterranean into the Black Sea could only occur if the present rivers did not exist, or if their flow was much reduced. Can anybody explain this and show where I am wrong?

As I recall, it was generally drier in central/eastern Europe at those latitudes at the time. No ice cover, but still drier in the post-glacial recovery. I think the hypothesis has the event taking place just after a much drier period called the Younger Dryas which was a period of ice sheet expansion and cooling in the northern hemisphere. This would have helped keep the Euxine Lake below the levels it would need to flow into the (lower) Med.