Daniel's 70 Weeks Correctly Explained At Last

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Daniel’s 70 Weeks Correctly Explained At Last

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by A. Freeman




The following, oft-repeated passage, commonly referred to as “Daniel’s 70 weeks”, has been mistakenly interpreted by some to refer to the coming of the “antichrist” during the end-times, even though it specifically references The Messiah/Christ throughout, including events leading up to, during and after the life of Jesus.


If the passage is read properly, it is prophecy concerning Christ’s SEVEN-YEAR MISSION (God’s number of completeness is 7 NOT 3 ½), to preach the Gospel to the “House of Israel” and to the “House of Judah”, culminating in the crucifixion of Jesus on a WEDNESDAY.


Daniel 9:24-27

9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in Everlasting Righteousness, AND TO SEAL UP THE VISION AND PROPHECY, and to anoint The Most Holy [as King].

9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the Commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto THE MESSIAH THE PRINCE [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall MESSIAH be cut off, but not for himself (Matt. 15:24): and the people of THE PRINCE that shall come shall destroy the city and The Sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

9:27 And HE shall confirm The Covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations He shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation (the “Lake of Hell-Fire”), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


TABLE 1: The 490-year Timeline leading up to the Crucifixion of Jesus (from the time of the Command to rebuild, recorded in Ezra 7)





Terms Defined (for the prophecies fulfilled with Jesus):


Daniel 9:24:

• Seventy weeks = 70 x 7 “days” (each day for a year – Num. 14:34) = 490 years
• thy people = the true people Israel (Exod. 18:1)
• thy holy city = Jerusalem (1 kings 11:36)
• the transgression = the sin/crime/lawlessness (1 John 3:4) for which we fell under the curse (punishment clause) of The Law (Deut. 28:15-68)
• to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in Everlasting Righteousness = the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus (John 1:29)
• seal up the vision and prophecy = fulfill the Old Covenant prophecies about the coming of the Messiah (Christ) and His mission during the life of Jesus (Matt. 5:17, Luke 5:24)
• anoint The Most Holy [as King] = The Messiah/Christ (Luke 4:18-19, John 12:3, Acts 4:26-28)

Daniel 9:25:

• Commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem = God moving Artaxerxes, king of Persia, to grant Ezra’s request to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (Ezra 7:6)
• THE MESSIAH THE PRINCE = Prince Michael/Christ, the Anointed One (Ps. 2, Dan. 10:21, Dan. 12:1, Col. 1:15, Heb. 1:9, Rev. 12:7-11)
• seven weeks = 7 x 7 “days” = 49 years (Num. 14:34) and threescore and two weeks = 62 x 7 “days” = 434 years (Ezek. 4:6); 49 + 434 = 483 “days” (years)

Daniel 9:26:

• Messiah = Prince Michael/Christ = The Anointed One (Ps. 2, Heb. 1:9)
• cut-off = separated from His Brethren (Heb. 2:7-9)
• the Prince = Prince Michael/Christ (Dan. 10:21, Dan. 12:1-4, Rev. 5:1-5, Rev. 12:7-11)
• the people of the Prince = the people sent by the Prince to destroy the den of thieves (Luke 19:41-46)
• the city = Jerusalem
• the Sanctuary = the rebuilt (Herod’s) Temple, which was completely destroyed in 70 A.D., as Christ prophesied (Matt. 24:1-2)
• the end thereof [shall be] with a flood = the flood of Roman soldiers into Jerusalem in 70 A.D., when the city and Sanctuary were burned and destroyed
• desolations = grief, sadness, devastation, and ruin, as punishment for not keeping The Law and rejecting their rightful King (Deut. 27:26, 28:15-68, Matt. 2:1-2, 27:37)

Daniel 9:27:

• he = THE MESSIAH THE PRINCE (Dan. 10:21, Dan. 12:1, Heb. 1:9, Rev. 12:7-11)
• The Covenant = the NEW COVENANT (Jer. 31:31-33, Heb. 8:8-10, Heb. 9:14-15)
• many = the people Israel (Matt. 26:28, Heb. 9:28)
• one “week” = 7 YEARS (Num. 14:34, Ezek. 4:6)
• the midst of the week = WEDNESDAY, 21 April 34 A.D., the day Jesus was crucified (Lev. 23:5-7, Matt. 12:39-40, Luke 23:50-56, 24:1-3, John 19:31)
• the sacrifice = the Lamb of God (John 1:29)
• the oblation = the gift from God of His Son (John 3:16)
• abominations = the serving of other gods (e.g. church, state and “self”), as happens in every corporate fictional church, synagogue, mosque, temple, government facility and courtroom, etc. on Earth (Deut. 12:28-32, Rev. 2:20-23)
• make [it] desolate = that the Jews and Jerusalem shall bear no spiritual fruit and be spiritually desolate (Matt. 21:19, 23:37-24:2, 24:15)
• poured upon the desolate = when the “dead” shall be judged and consumed by The Fire (Rev. 20:12-15).

In 457 B.C., during the seventh year of the reign of Artaxerxes, king of Persia, Ezra, a ready scribe of The Law of God, went up with some of the children of Israel from Babylon to Jerusalem on the first day of the first month under the king’s command.


Ezra 7:1-10

7:1 Now after these things, in the reign of Artaxerxes king of Persia, Ezra the son of Seraiah, the son of Azariah, the son of Hilkiah,

7:2 The son of Shallum, the son of Zadok, the son of Ahitub,

7:3 The son of Amariah, the son of Azariah, the son of Meraioth,

7:4 The son of Zerahiah, the son of Uzzi, the son of Bukki,

7:5 The son of Abishua, the son of Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the chief priest:

7:6 This Ezra went up from Babylon; and he [was] a ready scribe in The Law of Moses, which the “I AM” God of Israel had given: and the king granted him all his request, according to the hand of the “I AM” his God upon him.

7:7 And there went up [some] of the children of Israel, and of the priests, and the Levites, and the singers, and the porters, and the Nethinims, unto Jerusalem, in the seventh year of Artaxerxes the king.

7:8 And he came to Jerusalem in the fifth month, which [was] in the seventh year of the king.

7:9 For upon the first [day] of the first month began he to go up from Babylon, and on the first [day] of the fifth month came he to Jerusalem, according to the good hand of his God upon him.

7:10 For Ezra had prepared his heart to seek The Law of the “I AM”, and to do [it], and to teach in Israel Statutes and Judgments (Deut. 4:1-9).


For those who may mistakenly believe that the destruction of the Second Temple (Herod’s Temple) in 70 A.D. was the work of antichrist or some earthly prince directed by Satan, please read what the passage actually says and remember that it was by God’s COMMAND that both Solomon’s and Herod’s Temples were destroyed (Prov. 21:1), because both had become a place of business, instead of a place of worship, just as all earthly churches, synagogues, mosques and temples, etc. do (Matt. 6:24, Acts 7:48), which is why God prohibited the building of them (Matt. 6:5-6, Sura 9:107-110). Yet the Ashkenazi and Edomaean/Idumean counterfeit-Jews are also determined to defy Him, by wanting to build a Third Temple in Jerusalem.





God, through His Christ, said He would deliver Jerusalem and His House – which had become a den of thieves – into the hands of the people of Hischoosing: the Romans (Matt. 24:1-2, Mark 13:1-2, Luke 19:41-46, Luke 21:5-6, John 2:13-16); just as He had done with the First (Solomon’s) Temple. In c. 588 B.C., Solomon’s Temple was delivered into the hands of the Romans’ ancestors, the Babylonians, whom God had chosen for that task (see: Jer. 7:9-14, 30, 12:7, 19:15, 23:10-12, 26:4-12, 18, 32:27-36, 34:12-22) for the very same reason (Matt. 21:13): as a punishment, and to teach the world to NEVER TRUST ROME and their Babylonian mystery religion and never congregate in their churches. The Babylonians and the Romans are the same race of people, who crucified Jesus (The Sanctuary/Temple) and destroyed God’s House, twice (Sura 17:7). God had them destroy both Temples and yet the Zionist-Jews want to build a third one. Will they never learn?



For further confirmation of the timeline, and the second fulfillment of Daniel's 70 Weeks in Christ's Second Coming, please read the rest of the article at:


Daniel's 70 Weeks Correctly Explained At Last

Hello A Freeman.

You stated the following.

Daniel 9:27
one “week” = 7 YEARS (Num. 14:34, Ezek. 4:6)
the midst of the week = WEDNESDAY, 21 April 34 A.D., the day Jesus was crucified (Lev. 23:5-7, Matt. 12:39-40, Luke 23:50-56, 24:1-3, John 19:31)

You also said that 70 weeks is translated as seven years per week, i.e., 490 years.

So on one of those weeks you have Jesus crucified in the middle of the week. That week has only seven days and not seven years. You will need to correct one of your statements above. Either 483 years and one week or Jesus was crucified in the middle of a week of seven years, that is after, 3.5 years. You can't have 490 years with one of those weeks being seven days at the same time.

The text says Jesus was cut off after 62 weeks?

Daniel 9:26
And after threescore and two weeks shall MESSIAH be cut off, but not for himself (Matt. 15:24): and the people of THE PRINCE that shall come shall destroy the city and The Sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

 

[jgr]

I gave the contents of his post a like. We are not getting redirected by your not-so-veiled side tracking of the thread.

I'm curious to see if keras believes the same as you about Daniel 9:23.

 

[keras]

I'm curious to see if keras believes the same as you about Daniel 9:23.

Daniel 9:23 As you began your supplications, a Decree came forth and I have come to make it known; as you are greatly beloved.
Understand the Word, consider the vision: REBible
Who that angel was, has no bearing on what Daniel was told.

Fortunately Douggg is a fairly tolerant man, but quite immovable in his beliefs and there have been times that I have called his posts: sheer Douggish nonsense.
Scriptural proofs of his errors, do not change his mind. Like you too, it will only be as things take place, that understanding will come. Isaiah 29:23-24, Jeremiah 6:10, Isaiah 8:16

 

[jgr]

Well Douggg, keras obviously doesn't agree with you about Daniel 9:23.

Would you agree that I've never described yourself using epithets such as he has used?

 

[DavidPT]

You are unable to post even one recognized student of the Word with whom you agree regarding Daniel 9:21.

NM, I think I misunderstood what you two were discussing, so I deleted what I prev submitted.

 

[DavidPT]

Well Douggg, keras obviously doesn't agree with you about Daniel 9:23.

Would you agree that I've never described yourself using epithets such as he has used?

Gabriel’s Purpose – Daniel 9:22-23

Gabriel explains to Daniel his purpose in coming in the next couple of verses. 22 And he gave [me] instruction and talked with me, and said, “O Daniel, I have now come forth to give you insight with understanding. 23 “At the beginning of your supplications the command was issued, and I have come to tell [you,] for you are highly esteemed; so give heed to the message and gain understanding of the vision.

Gabriel was sent to Daniel at the beginning of Daniel’s supplications. The task given to him was to give Daniel “insight with understanding” specifically concerning “understanding the vision.” What vision is Gabriel talking about?

Recall that at the end of the vision of the four beasts recorded in Daniel 7 that Daniel’s thoughts were greatly alarming him and his face grew pale but he kept the matter to himself. (See: The Vision of the Four Beasts) In a similar manner, at the end of the vision of the ram and the goat recorded in Daniel 8 he was exhausted and sick for days and was astounded by the vision, but there was no further explanation.(See: The Vision of the Ram & the Goat)

As Daniel is reading through Jeremiah’s prophecies concerning the seventy years of desolation of Jerusalem and the Temple and their eventual restoration, he would have been quite perplexed at how these prophecies fit with the visions he had been given more than a decade earlier. The vision of the four beasts went far beyond the restoration of Jerusalem that seemed imminent according to Jeremiah’s prophecies. That vision also included future tribulation and desolation of Jerusalem. How did Jeremiah’s prophecy and Daniel’s visions fit together? Gabriel’s purpose was to explain this to Daniel because Daniel was highly esteemed.

Understanding the Vision – Daniel 9:20-27 | Grace Bible Church

Would any of this be agreeing with Douggg's interpretation of verse 23, or would it instead be disagreeing with Douggg's interpretation of verse 23?

 

[jgr]

Gabriel’s Purpose – Daniel 9:22-23

Gabriel explains to Daniel his purpose in coming in the next couple of verses. 22 And he gave [me] instruction and talked with me, and said, “O Daniel, I have now come forth to give you insight with understanding. 23 “At the beginning of your supplications the command was issued, and I have come to tell [you,] for you are highly esteemed; so give heed to the message and gain understanding of the vision.

Gabriel was sent to Daniel at the beginning of Daniel’s supplications. The task given to him was to give Daniel “insight with understanding” specifically concerning “understanding the vision.” What vision is Gabriel talking about?

Recall that at the end of the vision of the four beasts recorded in Daniel 7 that Daniel’s thoughts were greatly alarming him and his face grew pale but he kept the matter to himself. (See: The Vision of the Four Beasts) In a similar manner, at the end of the vision of the ram and the goat recorded in Daniel 8 he was exhausted and sick for days and was astounded by the vision, but there was no further explanation.(See: The Vision of the Ram & the Goat)

As Daniel is reading through Jeremiah’s prophecies concerning the seventy years of desolation of Jerusalem and the Temple and their eventual restoration, he would have been quite perplexed at how these prophecies fit with the visions he had been given more than a decade earlier. The vision of the four beasts went far beyond the restoration of Jerusalem that seemed imminent according to Jeremiah’s prophecies. That vision also included future tribulation and desolation of Jerusalem. How did Jeremiah’s prophecy and Daniel’s visions fit together? Gabriel’s purpose was to explain this to Daniel because Daniel was highly esteemed.

Understanding the Vision – Daniel 9:20-27 | Grace Bible Church

Would any of this be agreeing with Douggg's interpretation of verse 23, or would it instead be disagreeing with Douggg's interpretation of verse 23?

From the link you posted:

"Gabriel tells Daniel to “give heed to the message and gain understanding of the vision.” We need to do the same. Follow along as I read through Gabriel’s explanation in verses 24-27 and then we will come back and examine each verse in detail."

Douggg denies that "the vision" refers to verses 24-27.

 

[Timtofly]

the midst of the week = WEDNESDAY, 21 April 34 A.D., the day Jesus was crucified (Lev. 23:5-7, Matt. 12:39-40, Luke 23:50-56, 24:1-3, John 19:31)

April 21 of 34AD is the 14th of Iyar, the second month. Try Wednesday April 5 30AD. That was the 14th of Nisan the first month.

 

[Timtofly]

From the link you posted:

"Gabriel tells Daniel to “give heed to the message and gain understanding of the vision.” We need to do the same. Follow along as I read through Gabriel’s explanation in verses 24-27 and then we will come back and examine each verse in detail."

Douggg denies that "the vision" refers to verses 24-27.

No, Dougg said verses 24-27 is not a vision, nor the vision, you claim that is being explained.

Verses 24-27 refers to the vision in Daniel 8. There is not a single vision in Daniel 9. Daniel 9 is a dialogue. Gabriel is talking the whole time from verse 22 to 27. This fued means someone needs a new hobby.

Dougg is off in trying to interpret too much into the vision of Daniel 7 outside of Gabriel’s explanation. Daniel got it, understood it, and was at peace. Do you not understand that those visions given to Daniel made him physically sick a lot? Arguing over them makes readers sick as well. So what reward is the point of such endeavers?

Here is a hint:

We know that the desolation of abomination was Antiochus Epiphanies in the midst of the 62 weeks. Daniel was at peace because in hearing about the 69 weeks he was satisfied it would pass Antiochus Epiphanies and all would be well. Remember that Daniel knew there was no Jerusalem nor Temple yet. Now Daniel knows that the desolation would not destroy the next temple at all during 69 weeks. It would not effect the Temple and Jerusalem because the temple and Jerusalem would outlast Antiochus Epiphanies. So preterism still fails. Because Gabriel pointed out that there was no abomination of desolation after Messiah was cut off. Obviously Daniel understood, what Preterist cannot. However Dougg is right in one thing. The Beast out of the sea will embody Antiochus Epiphanies. Daniel probably did not know that, because he had to wait for the book of Revelation just like all of us between Daniel and this very post. Even part of Revelation is still sealed, the Thunders. So any speculative opinions and personal interpretations are going to be wrong and no one can prove you right or wrong. Not even the best of commentators or theologians, even if they agree with you or you with them.

Daniel was not told about the 70AD event, period. Daniel 11 goes into even more detail about the vision in Daniel 8. We have plenty of information. We have no definitive outcome, because the future is not bound to a prophecy. The weird thing is that since it has already been fulfilled once it really does not need to be repeated. That it was fulfilled once is not the weird part, but it seems the church is dead set that history repeats itself, is the weird part. Some lessons are learned the hard way.

Instead of inviting Satan with open arms, what about prayer on one's knees, confessing one's own wickedness like Daniel did?

 

[jgr]

No, Dougg said verses 24-27 is not a vision, nor the vision, you claim that is being explained.

Verses 24-27 refers to the vision in Daniel 8. There is not a single vision in Daniel 9. Daniel 9 is a dialogue. Gabriel is talking the whole time from verse 22 to 27. This fued means someone needs a new hobby.

Dougg is off in trying to interpret too much into the vision of Daniel 7 outside of Gabriel’s explanation. Daniel got it, understood it, and was at peace. Do you not understand that those visions given to Daniel made him physically sick a lot? Arguing over them makes readers sick as well. So what reward is the point of such endeavers?

Here is a hint:

We know that the desolation of abomination was Antiochus Epiphanies in the midst of the 62 weeks. Daniel was at peace because in hearing about the 69 weeks he was satisfied it would pass Antiochus Epiphanies and all would be well. Remember that Daniel knew there was no Jerusalem nor Temple yet. Now Daniel knows that the desolation would not destroy the next temple at all during 69 weeks. It would not effect the Temple and Jerusalem because the temple and Jerusalem would outlast Antiochus Epiphanies. So preterism still fails. Because Gabriel pointed out that there was no abomination of desolation after Messiah was cut off. Obviously Daniel understood, what Preterist cannot. However Dougg is right in one thing. The Beast out of the sea will embody Antiochus Epiphanies. Daniel probably did not know that, because he had to wait for the book of Revelation just like all of us between Daniel and this very post. Even part of Revelation is still sealed, the Thunders. So any speculative opinions and personal interpretations are going to be wrong and no one can prove you right or wrong. Not even the best of commentators or theologians, even if they agree with you or you with them.

Daniel was not told about the 70AD event, period. Daniel 11 goes into even more detail about the vision in Daniel 8. We have plenty of information. We have no definitive outcome, because the future is not bound to a prophecy. The weird thing is that since it has already been fulfilled once it really does not need to be repeated. That it was fulfilled once is not the weird part, but it seems the church is dead set that history repeats itself, is the weird part. Some lessons are learned the hard way.

Instead of inviting Satan with open arms, what about prayer on one's knees, confessing one's own wickedness like Daniel did?

The choice:

1. The unanimous wisdom of all recognized students of the Word past, present, dead, and alive.
2. Modern scorners and scoffers.

Real easy decision.

 

[DavidPT]

From the link you posted:

"Gabriel tells Daniel to “give heed to the message and gain understanding of the vision.” We need to do the same. Follow along as I read through Gabriel’s explanation in verses 24-27 and then we will come back and examine each verse in detail."

Douggg denies that "the vision" refers to verses 24-27.

But how can, as of verse 23, the vision involve verses 24-27, when none of that was even presented to Daniel yet? Are you saying that verse 23 means the following?

At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision I am about to inform you about.

How would verses 24-27 equate to be meaning a vision when the angel is simply telling Daniel something, not showing Daniel something?

Do not visions involve seeing events? Look at Daniel 7 and 8 for example. That involves Daniel seeing things in a vision, then when the angel is explaining things to Daniel, Daniel is no longer seeing anything in a dream like state, the angel is simply explaining what Daniel saw. Verses 24-27 could not possibly be the vision meant in verse 23, yet it is connected with the visions he already saw previously. You non gappers just don't make sense to me a lot of the time, especially when you think explaining something to someone is the same as showing it in a vision to someone. I of course agree with Douggg about verse 23 and the vision in question. And I couldn't care less if we are the only two on the planet that sees it that way. At least two of us are using good common sense in this case, since we can discern the difference between a vision seen while in a dream like state and an understanding of something while no longer in a dream like state.

 

[Timtofly]

The choice:

1. The unanimous wisdom of all recognized students of the Word past, present, dead, and alive.
2. Modern scorners and scoffers.

Real easy decision.

Neither. God, God's Word, and the Holy Spirit.

 

[DavidPT]

No, Dougg said verses 24-27 is not a vision, nor the vision, you claim that is being explained.

Verses 24-27 refers to the vision in Daniel 8. There is not a single vision in Daniel 9. Daniel 9 is a dialogue. Gabriel is talking the whole time from verse 22 to 27. This fued means someone needs a new hobby.

Dougg is off in trying to interpret too much into the vision of Daniel 7 outside of Gabriel’s explanation. Daniel got it, understood it, and was at peace. Do you not understand that those visions given to Daniel made him physically sick a lot? Arguing over them makes readers sick as well. So what reward is the point of such endeavers?

Here is a hint:

We know that the desolation of abomination was Antiochus Epiphanies in the midst of the 62 weeks. Daniel was at peace because in hearing about the 69 weeks he was satisfied it would pass Antiochus Epiphanies and all would be well. Remember that Daniel knew there was no Jerusalem nor Temple yet. Now Daniel knows that the desolation would not destroy the next temple at all during 69 weeks. It would not effect the Temple and Jerusalem because the temple and Jerusalem would outlast Antiochus Epiphanies. So preterism still fails. Because Gabriel pointed out that there was no abomination of desolation after Messiah was cut off. Obviously Daniel understood, what Preterist cannot. However Dougg is right in one thing. The Beast out of the sea will embody Antiochus Epiphanies. Daniel probably did not know that, because he had to wait for the book of Revelation just like all of us between Daniel and this very post. Even part of Revelation is still sealed, the Thunders. So any speculative opinions and personal interpretations are going to be wrong and no one can prove you right or wrong. Not even the best of commentators or theologians, even if they agree with you or you with them.

Daniel was not told about the 70AD event, period. Daniel 11 goes into even more detail about the vision in Daniel 8. We have plenty of information. We have no definitive outcome, because the future is not bound to a prophecy. The weird thing is that since it has already been fulfilled once it really does not need to be repeated. That it was fulfilled once is not the weird part, but it seems the church is dead set that history repeats itself, is the weird part. Some lessons are learned the hard way.

Instead of inviting Satan with open arms, what about prayer on one's knees, confessing one's own wickedness like Daniel did?

A lot of what you stated in this post I tend to somewhat agree with. Some of it I'm not certain if you are correct or not.

 

[Timtofly]

A lot of what you stated in this post I tend to somewhat agree with. Some of it I'm not certain if you are correct or not.

Part of the issue is that John in Revelations "resurrects" some of these visions, after they have already been fulfilled.

The first wrong conclusion is that John claims they have not been fulfilled, thus they need to be addressed again.

The second wrong conclusion is that John claims they were finished by 70AD.

The third option may be that John is just using common descriptions, those first century Jews could understand, and they represent a totally different future event that was not found in Daniel at all.

Not withstanding Daniel 9 is an Island retreat in the storm of the raging visions surrounding it.

Revelations is the definitive "act" of the 70th week, and John does not claim 7 full years in the first century, nor 7 full years in the 22nd century. The only point that can be taken from history is that 3.5 years happened in the first century, and the conclusion would be worked out at the Second Coming. John still does not define the Second half. John shows us all the events surrounding the Second Coming. A challenge since no one can know the exact time. Just the conditions.

 

[DavidPT]

The only point that can be taken from history is that 3.5 years happened in the first century,

This is meaning in regards to the 70th week, correct? And if yes, what exactly was it in the first century that is meaning the first 3.5 years of it?

 

[Timtofly]

This is meaning in regards to the 70th week, correct? And if yes, what exactly was it in the first century that is meaning the first 3.5 years of it?

The Revelation of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the Messiah. The church has accepted that the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ was about 3.5 years from His Baptism until the death, burial, and resurrection. Jesus then promised to come a second time.

Most have accepted that would be after the fullness of the Gentiles are harvested. No one taught it would take 2000 years to accomplish that, it just simply has been 1991 years.

What is not agreed upon is when was/is the Second Coming and what trouble, (of Daniel) is the church involved in.

 

[jgr]

Neither. God, God's Word, and the Holy Spirit.

Possessed in abundance by the historical defenders of the true faith.

 

[jgr]

I of course agree with Douggg about verse 23 and the vision in question. And I couldn't care less if we are the only two on the planet that sees it that way. At least two of us are using good common sense in this case, since we can discern the difference between a vision seen while in a dream like state and an understanding of something while no longer in a dream like state.

Do you think that your common sense surpasses the collective common sense of all recognized students of the Word who have ever lived?

 

[keras]

Do you think that your common sense surpasses the collective common sense of all recognized students of the Word who have ever lived?

It isn't anyone's 'common sense'. It is the Biblical truth that the Lord's plans for the end times were hidden from everyone until right up to when it will all happen. Daniel 12:4 and 9 make this quite clear.

Even then, only a few people who have studied the Prophetic Word with an open mind, will understand what is about to take place. The rest of the world will be shocked and terrified.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the Messiah. The church has accepted that the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ was about 3.5 years from His Baptism until the death, burial, and resurrection. Jesus then promised to come a second time.

I disagree that the final 7 years of Daniels 70, are split as you think.
That idea is even more illogical than shoe horning it all into the first century.
The last 7 years before Jesus Returns, will commence when the leader of the One World Govt makes a peace treaty with the people in the holy Land, who will have just been saved from annihilation by a huge army from the North, by the Power of the Lord. Ezekiel 38 and 39.
The first 3 1/2 years will be peaceful, but then the OWG leader will come and conquer them. Zechariah 14:1-2, Revelation 13:5-8, Daniel 7:25

The final 3 1/2 years, or 42 months, or 1260 days, will be the Great Trib of the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls, culminating in Armageddon and Jesus' Return. Revelation 16:12-18, 19:11-21

 

[DavidPT]

Do you think that your common sense surpasses the collective common sense of all recognized students of the Word who have ever lived?

It makes zero sense to provide the understanding for a vision if no one has even seen the vision needing further understanding about first. The pattern in ch 7 and 8 are, Daniel first receives a vision and that he is then describing what he is seeing, then he is provided understanding of what he saw, after he has received the vision first. Where in Daniel 9 before verse 24 does the text even hint that Daniel is first seeing a vision in this chapter, then he is being provided with further understanding of what he saw? And since there is no vision like that first in Daniel 9, the vision in verse 23 has to be pertaining to a vision Daniel saw at an earlier time.

Look at ch 7, for instance.

Daniel 7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.


Who would even dispute that Daniel is seeing a vision here? No one would since it clearly states so in the text. So where in Daniel 9 is there anything in that chapter that Daniel is seeing verses 24-27 as a vision while in a dream like state, or whatever kind of state one might be in when they receive a vision?

In Daniel 7, for instance, Daniel is describing what is seeing in the vision. In chapter 9 where is that you see Daniel describing what he is seeing in a vision? Unless you can point it out, you don't even have a valid argument here, though I'm guessing you still think you do, regardless. Verses 24-27 are not even remotely depicting Daniel describing what he is seeing in a vision. Or did you perhaps neglect to notice that?