Stanford study: Masks useless for Covid

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I'm glad to see that you have such faith in whatever claims are made by China. Taking care of peoples' human rights and well being is what China is known for. :rolleyes:
I have CGTN as part of a streaming news bundle. I watched the Chinese shut down cities and close borders. They were allowed one member of the family to go out for groceries twice a week. They reopened China about six weeks later with near zero cases. Their economy did not suffer long term job losses.

They did not sacrifice 500,000 people to COVID because face masks made them itch or they did not care if some people died. I think herd immunity with a large scale die off is against human rights. I am glad some scientists are brilliant enough to make vaccines to protect us and allow us to live without fear.
 
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John 16:2
"....the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God."

So, how far are you willing to let them decide for you how far you need to go as a Christian before they're demanding too much?

Are you willing to give Christian charity or be into self
 
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I have CGTN as part of a streaming news bundle. I watched the Chinese shut down cities and close borders. They were allowed one member of the family to go out for groceries twice a week. They reopened China about six weeks later with near zero cases. Their economy did not suffer long term job losses.

They did not sacrifice 500,000 people to COVID because face masks made them itch or they did not care if some people died. I think herd immunity with a large scale die off is against human rights. I am glad some scientists are brilliant enough to make vaccines to protect us and allow us to live without fear.

And you're relying on that channel for accurate and unbiased reporting of what goes on in China?
"The regulators also rejected a proposal by CGTN to transfer the license to a new entity after finding that it would ultimately still be controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, and therefore disqualified under UK law." CGTN: UK regulators pull license of Chinese state-owned broadcaster - CNN
 
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Answer my question first.

I don't think because yours is not remotely Christian in the least, your question is all about self. As a Christian you should die to self and put God and others before yourself. In this thread and others many forgot to be Christians and want the self to be supreme.

By sharing your supremacist, anti Jewish, hate filled site I fail to see God's love.
 
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I don't think because yours is not remotely Christian in the least, your question is all about self. As a Christian you should die to self and put God and others before yourself. In this thread and others many forgot to be Christians and want the self to be supreme.

My question is about how far to let others go in making your decisions for you.

By sharing your supremacist, anti Jewish, hate filled site I fail to see God's love.

It's not my site.
 
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My question is about how far to let others go in making your decisions for you.

As far as Christ wants me to, you see God makes my decision by telling us to love Him and our neighbors and to forsake self. Never to go to Nazi propaganda sites to get lies from the enemy

It's not my site.

By using it you have given your tacit approval and have owned it. Not the best Christian witness
 
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As far as Christ wants me to, you see God makes my decision by telling us to love Him and our neighbors and to forsake self. Never to go to Nazi propaganda sites to get lies from the enemy

Nazi propaganda has been accepted today when anything against Jews is replaced by talk against white people, and the oppressors are Marxists in America rather than Nazis in Germany.

By using it you have given your tacit approval and have owned it. Not the best Christian witness

Go back in the thread to learn how it came about.
 
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Nazi propaganda has been accepted today when anything against Jews is replaced by talk against white people, and the oppressors are Marxists in America rather than Nazis in Germany.

The ancient Jews had “fence laws”, boundaries that did not allow one to get near of breaking an actual, Torah-bound Command. It become “illegal” to drag a chair across a floor on the Sabbath since it would part the dust and would then be “plowing”, working on the Sabbath.

After the mentioned history, a good many of the Jews swore that they’d never let that happen again...your “talk against white people” is it “happening again”, that’s why you’re seeing them complain!
hth
 
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Did a 'Stanford/NIH' Study Conclude Masks Don't Work? | Snopes.com

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A "Stanford/NIH" study concluded that face masks worn to prevent COVID-19 transmission do not work.
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The paper was published by an exercise physiologist with no academic connection to Stanford University or the NIH in a journal that accepts "radical, speculative and non-mainstream scientific ideas."

The study’s author, Baruch Vainshelboim, is listed in the study as being affiliated with the cardiology division at the Veterans Affairs Palo Alto Health Care System/Stanford University. However, a representative for the VA Palo Alto Health Care System told the AP in an email that Vainshelboim does not work there.

“I can confirm this person is not one of our physicians,” wrote Michael Hill-Jackson, a public affairs specialist with the system. “I do not see him in our system and our Cardiology team has never heard of him.”

Vainshelboim also does not work for Stanford, according to Julie Greicius, senior director of external communications for the university’s medical school.

“Stanford University has never employed Baruch Vainshelboim,” Greicius wrote in an email to the AP. “Several years ago (2015), he was a visiting scholar at Stanford for a year, on matters unrelated to this paper.”

In November 2020, that journal published a paper that argued using face masks to prevent COVID-19 transmission does not work and, further, that face masks cause “hypoxia, hypercapnia, shortness of breath, increased acidity and toxicity, activation of fear and stress response, rise in stress hormones, immunosuppression, fatigue, headaches, decline in cognitive performance, predisposition for viral and infectious illnesses, chronic stress, anxiety and depression.” The paper joins the storied ranks of other Medical Hypotheses articles including those arguing that masturbation is a cure for nasal congestion, that the Gulf War syndrome is caused by a beef allergy, and that high heels cause schizophrenia.
 
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Nazi propaganda has been accepted today when anything against Jews is replaced by talk against white people, and the oppressors are Marxists in America rather than Nazis in Germany.

So your tacit approval is fine with you then by equivocating.

Go back in the thread to learn how it came about.

I saw and it doesn't matter, what matters is your championing a supremacist and nazi propaganda site. The fact that it is on a hate site should give a Christian pause
 
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I have CGTN as part of a streaming news bundle. I watched the Chinese shut down cities and close borders. They were allowed one member of the family to go out for groceries twice a week. They reopened China about six weeks later with near zero cases. Their economy did not suffer long term job losses.

They did not sacrifice 500,000 people to COVID because face masks made them itch or they did not care if some people died. I think herd immunity with a large scale die off is against human rights. I am glad some scientists are brilliant enough to make vaccines to protect us and allow us to live without fear.

You actually trust Chinese news? Wow.
 
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I think we've come to the end of this initial OP. It has been weighed in the balance and found wanting.

I will say that no one is claiming anymore that the study was a valid study and that the articles claims are true. It was a false article with false claims. This thread should be shut down.

If you want to focus on vaccines another thread should be started.
 
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Sure, a completely meaningful distinction is just "semantics".
No, it actually wasn't a meaningful distinction. Within the context of what is being implied, the box obviously isn't saying "these masks will not 100% eliminate the spread of covid". Thats past common sense, that's a common reality. They're contextually saying "the wide micron gaps in these fibers do not even help prevent the spread of covid".
 
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No, it actually wasn't a meaningful distinction. Within the context of what is being implied, the box obviously isn't saying "these masks will not 100% eliminate the spread of covid". Thats past common sense, that's a common reality. They're contextually saying "the wide micron gaps in these fibers do not even help prevent the spread of covid".
More likely a generic CYA required by the distributors legal dept.
 
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The ancient Jews had “fence laws”, boundaries that did not allow one to get near of breaking an actual, Torah-bound Command. It become “illegal” to drag a chair across a floor on the Sabbath since it would part the dust and would then be “plowing”, working on the Sabbath.

After the mentioned history, a good many of the Jews swore that they’d never let that happen again...your “talk against white people” is it “happening again”, that’s why you’re seeing them complain!
hth

Do you have any idea what you meant to say?
 
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So your tacit approval is fine with you then by equivocating.

Seeing the similarities with what is happening today has nothing to do with approval.

I saw and it doesn't matter, what matters is your championing a supremacist and nazi propaganda site. The fact that it is on a hate site should give a Christian pause

Ah, now it's "championing".
It'll be interesting what new words you come up with. But I'm glad you at least agree with the principle of it.
 
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Do you have any idea what you meant to say?
Well one of us does, yes.

I shouldn’t expect you to follow parallel lines of thought, it’s just not in your repertory, I guess?
My apologies.
 
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Well one of us does, yes.

I shouldn’t expect you to follow parallel lines of thought, it’s just not in your repertory, I guess?
My apologies.

Well, whatever it was, it wasn't anything to do with the topic of the thread, so let's get back to that. Here is that video that was being referenced from the beginning, and this time it's not on any site anyone can have a problem with. It's a video sharing site:
About Mask Wearing - DONT - Industrial Hygenist, Kristen Meghan
 
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And you're relying on that channel for accurate and unbiased reporting of what goes on in China?
"The regulators also rejected a proposal by CGTN to transfer the license to a new entity after finding that it would ultimately still be controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, and therefore disqualified under UK law." CGTN: UK regulators pull license of Chinese state-owned broadcaster - CNN
English language news CGTN showed video of their cities with deserted streets, road blocks, locked down and then weeks later people thronging the streets without face masks. They did not get to be the world’s largest manufacturer and second largest economy by luck. I do not trust their manipulative intellectual property stealing ways, nor can I commend their treatment of Christians, but I recognize they have done things that are profitable. Lately I do not watch it much as it seems to be more propaganda than before.
 
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