Stanford study: Masks useless for Covid

[Taodeching]

Why do people spread these kinds of lies? Do they want more people to be infected and die?

Lack of Christian charity and the father of lies convince people that his lies are truth.

 

[Hammster]

Higher than what?

Higher then they are.

 

[durangodawood]

I don’t care if you do or don’t. That’s your decision to make.

So then whats your issue with masks thats worthy of a giant discussion?

 

[Taodeching]

Again, this is not the point and it beggars credulity that you do not know this!

What I (and a number of atheists, I might add) are saying is this: you have a moral obligation to act in the interests of others and get vaccinated. Nobody should force you, but that doesn't mean you do not have such an obligation.

It does seem for some being a Christian means you don't have any responsibility but to love your own life and to ignore Christian charity. Christianity has become weak because of it

 

[durangodawood]

It does seem for some being a Christian means you don't have any responsibility but to love your own life and to ignore Christian charity. Christianity has become weak because of it

Its like the notion of the "me generation" that was coined in the 70's to reflect the growing self-preoccupation in society.

 

[Hammster]

So then whats your issue with masks thats worthy of a giant discussion?

I didn’t start one.

 

[sesquiterpene]

Yet, none of the people have had the vaccine in their system for over a year, or had booster shots which will be necessary as the protection the vaccine offers expires.

The thing is, nobody has the vaccines in their systems for over a year. These aren't drugs where you dose day after day, and have to worry about cumulative toxicity. The actual vaccines themselves are gone in a couple of weeks after they are dosed - which only happens twice. The vaccines certainly have effects longer than that - but they are enhancements to the immune system such as antibodies and the various other parts of the adaptive system. These enhancements, though, are the exact same effects that are produced by disease itself. Yes, Covid will give you the same antibodies as the vaccine(s). There is indeed a possibility of long-term autoimmune diseases from both the vaccine and Covid. But Covid has a greater chance of autoimmune problems, because it contains a much larger number of antigens than single protein produced in our present vaccines. And for both the vaccines and Covid, the immune responses start showing up within ~ 10 days, not long term.

50 million people with the shot in their system for 3 months tells us very little about the impact to those people a year later, not to mention multiple years later.

Nonsense. Three months and 50 million people is indeed long enough to rule out any but the rarest of acute toxicity from the vaccines themselves. It is also enough to rule out any but the rarest of autoimmune problems too. There is a reason the FDA set the safety time window for the clinical trials at two months - because, well, that's how long it is reasonable to expect side effects to start showing up.

 

[expos4ever]

It does seem for some being a Christian means you don't have any responsibility but to love your own life and to ignore Christian charity. Christianity has become weak because of it

Me, Myself, and (No) Vaccine........

...with apologies to Jim Carrey and Renee Zellweger.

 

[Taodeching]

Failing to be vaccinated may well kill someone. How does that not impose a moral obligation?

That is the new Christianity self-interest above all

 

[keith99]

I thought some of you might be interested in the claims made about the credentials of Baruch Vainshelboim

The spokesperson for Stanford Med, Julie Greicius released a statement to the Associated Press. She stated: "Stanford University has never employed Baruch Vainshelboim. Several years ago (2015), he was a visiting scholar at Stanford for a year, on matters unrelated to this paper.”

The other claim is that he works for the VA Palo Alto Health Care System, which is then used to shame people who question the validity of the argument by saying that it's calling the VA liars. So this is what Michael Hill-Jackson, a public affairs specialist with the system, said: “I can confirm this person is not one of our physicians. I do not see him in our system and our Cardiology team has never heard of him.”

Or put more breifly the claims made are lies. Christians should not be repeating lies. Your Christ said such is of The Devil.

 

[Pommer]

Higher then they are.

They are high, we’re still in the middle of the pandemic.

 

[Pommer]

That is the new Christianity self-interest above all

Ayn Rand got to the Almighty?

 

[renniks]

Higher than what?

A better question is: how do they even know how many have actually had it? They don't. So the numbers are pretty much meaningless.

 

[Hammster]

They are high, we’re still in the middle of the pandemic.

But not higher. And we are in an endemic.

 

[Dkh587]

This is simply you saying that you respect the poster’s decision not to put people at risk but the poster has you respect your decision to put people at risk.

Is that Christian?

Since we’re discussing what’s Christian or not, anybody following the true Messiah would not get a vaccine to begin with, as he would never put aborted fetal cells into his bloodstream.

vaccines are abominable to the Most High, and Messiah would never inject or tell his followers to inject abominations into their temples.

 

[Aldebaran]

That is the new Christianity self-interest above all

John 16:2
"....the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God."

So, how far are you willing to let them decide for you how far you need to go as a Christian before they're demanding too much?

 

[Astroqualia]

You wear specific masks when there's a risk of aerosols, e.g. using a high speed dental drill, intubation etc.

So you just confirmed that these disposable masks and microfiber masks that are the vast majority of masks found in public do not, in fact, protect against covid.

 

[Astroqualia]

Stop =/= reduce

Semantics based arguments aren't usually the highest quality tiered arguments to make.

 

[Gene2memE]

Since we’re discussing what’s Christian or not, anybody following the true Messiah would not get a vaccine to begin with, as he would never put aborted fetal cells into his bloodstream.

vaccines are abominable to the Most High, and Messiah would never inject or tell his followers to inject abominations into their temples.

Right...

Vaccines are abominable.

For all of human history, the Messiah was fine with smallpox killing a percentage of the human race, every year. Not to mention fine with hundreds of thousands of people getting paralysis from polio, or dying from diphtheri, meningitis, hepatitis or rotavirus.

But its vaccines that are abominable.

 

[durangodawood]

Semantics based arguments aren't usually the highest quality tiered arguments to make.

Sure, a completely meaningful distinction is just "semantics".