JESUS and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

[Leaf473]

I have posted their confession of faith - section 19 here on the following thread



they pretty much stick to the "Ten" Commandments - but I am sure they also include "Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5 and "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

And I assume they also would include some Lev 18 rules about LGBT agenda issues...

Here is a thread on the 613 commands in OT vs the 1050 commands in the NT

1050 New Testament Commands vs 613 Old Testament Commands, which do we follow?.

Do you use the same list as the Baptists?

Of the 613 commands in the old testament, do you have a list of the ones you feel are the moral commandments?

Similar to what I wrote to @LoveGodsWord , I'm getting the sense from your answers that you do not have such a list of what you feel are the moral commandments. If I have misjudged you on this, please correct me.

Thank you for your responses, and
Peace be with you!

 

[BobRyan]

Do you use the same list as the Baptists?

Of the 613 commands in the old testament, do you have a list of the ones you feel are the moral commandments?

Similar to what I wrote to @LoveGodsWord , I'm getting the sense from your answers that you do not have such a list of what you feel are the moral commandments. If I have misjudged you on this, please correct me.

Thank you for your responses, and
Peace be with you!

I have given the rules I follow - and the first 3 are the same ones listed for the Baptist Confession of Faith sectn 19, this is true for the 1050 commands in the NT and the 613 commands of the OT.

1. Laws regarding animal sacrifices ended at the cross.
2. Civil laws of the theocracy end when that theocracy no longer exists
3. The moral law of God defines what sin is - and it includes the TEN
4 No one's Biology changed at the cross not even plants or animal biology changed at the cross.
5. Whatever God outright calls "abomination" I choose to avoid.

So far this does not appear to be even a little confusing from my POV.

It appears you are asking for exhaustive lists of that part of the Word of God that fits within those boundaries and is not "deleted" from the way you construct your posts. Not sure what your point is because to this point you don't appear to agree even with the simplest list given.

Can you bring yourself to agree "at least" to what the confessions of faith say about the TEN? And if not - then why all these posts that argue for something like "tell me every line of scripture you still accept... give me a list"

 

[BobRyan]

Similar to what I wrote to @LoveGodsWord , I'm getting the sense from your answers that you do not have such a list of what you feel are the moral commandments.

I think it is fair to say that I have not gone through the Bible and circled every text that is not a ceremonial law or a civil law of a theocracy that no longer applies - etc.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes, I agree that "The list of God's laws are written in the bible...". However, the list of what I believe you referred to as Moses's laws are also written in the bible.

I believe that outside of the ten commandments, those two lists are mixed together. What I'm asking is, "Have you separated them?"

I'm getting the sense from your answers that you do not have such a separated list. I'm also getting the sense from your responses that you don't really want to talk about the subject in detail. If I have misjudged you on this, please correct me.

Thank you for your responses, and
Peace be with you!

God's law (10 commandments) is not the law of Moses it was written by God alone and given by Moses to God's people however (Nehemiah 10:29). The Law of God (the 10 commandments) was spoken and written by God alone on two tables of stone as the standard of sin when broken and righteousness when obeyed. *Exodus 20:1-17; Exodus 31:18; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Psalms 119:172. Moses wrote the book of the law *Exodus 31:24-26 in which he also copied what God had written from the two tables of stone. The Mosaic book of the law is also called the book of the covenant in Exodus 24:7 and together it was the book of the law or covenant and Gods' tables of stone that made up the old covenant that were housed but separated under God's instructions in the Ark of the covenant (Deuteronomy 10:2-5; Deuteronomy 31:26). So it is God that made this separation between the Mosiac book of the law and His 10 commandments. I have only provided scriptures for what I believe which is God's Words not my words. What is it you do not believe? Do you believe breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments is sin?

 

[Leaf473]

I have given the rules I follow - and the first 3 are the same ones listed for the Baptist Confession of Faith sectn 19, this is true for the 1050 commands in the NT and the 613 commands of the OT.

1. Laws regarding animal sacrifices ended at the cross.
2. Civil laws of the theocracy end when that theocracy no longer exists
3. The moral law of God defines what sin is - and it includes the TEN
4 No one's Biology changed at the cross not even plants or animal biology changed at the cross.
5. Whatever God outright calls "abomination" I choose to avoid.

I believe what you have given there are five categories. It's kind of like going up to a dog breeder and asking them what kind of dogs they breed. And the breeder answers, "I've got some breeds that are all one color, and some breeds that are multicolored. They haven't told you what dogs they breed, they have talked about two categories of dog breeds.

So far this does not appear to be even a little confusing from my POV.

Here's what I'm asking about:
Starting with the 613 commandments you speak of in the Old testament, which of those fit into your category number 3 above? Just go through the list of 613 and cross out all the ones that you feel are not moral laws. I think it could probably be done in less than an hour.

It appears you are asking for exhaustive lists of that part of the Word of God that fits within those boundaries and is not "deleted" from the way you construct your posts.

Yes, deleted, done away with, Shadow laws... Whatever term you use, yes, that's what I'm asking about. After you remove those laws from the 613, I am asking for an exhaustive list of what's left. I don't think it would be all that many.

Not sure what your point is because to this point you don't appear to agree even with the simplest list given.

I talk about why I'm asking for a list in my first post on this thread which I have pasted below

Hi again, LoveGodsWord

Do you feel that it is just the Ten commandments that is God's law, or are there other commandments?

I'm asking because I'm coming to suspect that the reason why discussions about the law often become endless disputes, which are not edifying, is that people often talk about the general idea of law keeping instead of a particular list.

Do you have a list? It's an honest question, I'm hoping not to get involved in a lengthy dispute

So, for example, we could discuss at length the keeping of the sabbtath. Or we could discuss sewing tassels into the fringes of our clothes. There is no obvious reason to me why a person would say that the tassels commandment was or was not a moral commandment.

It seems like a discussion about the tassels commandment would be a lot shorter, imo.

Can you bring yourself to agree "at least" to what the confessions of faith say about the TEN?

Well, no, I don't think the 10 can be separated out from the others, as in keep these and not the others. Or keep these one way, and the others another way.

So the same reasons and ways that I would keep the 10 would apply to all the others as well.

And if not - then why all these posts that argue for something like "tell me every line of scripture you still accept... give me a list"

Because if a person says they honestly believe that sin is transgression of the Law, it seems reasonable to me to ask them what courses of action, if any, those laws compel them to take.

Great discussion, btw. I feel like we have the potential to really get somewhere!

 

[Leaf473]

I think it is fair to say that I have not gone through the Bible and circled every text that is not a ceremonial law or a civil law of a theocracy that no longer applies - etc.

Why not? It doesn't seem like it would be a difficult task.

I mean, it doesn't seem like it would be difficult for someone like yourself. For me, it would be impossible. At least it has been up to now, I've tried.

 

[BobRyan]

I have given the rules I follow - and the first 3 are the same ones listed for the Baptist Confession of Faith sectn 19, this is true for the 1050 commands in the NT and the 613 commands of the OT.

1. Laws regarding animal sacrifices ended at the cross.
2. Civil laws of the theocracy end when that theocracy no longer exists
3. The moral law of God defines what sin is - and it includes the TEN
4 No one's Biology changed at the cross not even plants or animal biology changed at the cross.
5. Whatever God outright calls "abomination" I choose to avoid.

So far this does not appear to be even a little confusing from my POV.

I have posted their confession of faith - section 19 here on the following thread

Baptist Confession of Faith -- as formatted by C.H.Spurgeon


The Law of God - Baptist Confession of Faith: Section 19


1. God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.

2. The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the Ten Commandments, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

3. Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.

4. To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.

5. The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it.

6. Although true believers are not under the law as a covenant of works, to be justified or condemned by it, yet it is of great use to them as well as to others, because as a rule of life it informs them of the will of God and their duty and directs and binds them to walk accordingly. It also reveals and exposes the sinful pollutions of their natures, hearts and lives, and using it for self-examination they may come to greater conviction of sin, greater humility and greater hatred of their sin. They will also gain a clearer sight of their need of Christ and the perfection of His own obedience. It is of further use to regenerate people to restrain their corruptions, because of the way in which it forbids sin. The threatenings of the law serve to show what their sins actually deserve, and what troubles may be expected in this life because of these sins even by regenerate people who are freed from the curse and undiminished rigours of the law. The promises connected with the law also show believers God's approval of obedience, and what blessings they may expect when the law is kept and obeyed, though blessing will not come to them because they have satisfied the law as a covenant of works. If a man does good and refrains from evil simply because the law encourages to the good and deters him from the evil, that is no evidence that he is under the law rather than under grace.

7. The aforementioned uses of the law are not contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but they sweetly comply with it, as the Spirit of Christ subdues and enables the will of man to do freely and cheerfully those things which the will of God, which is revealed in the law, requires to be done.

they pretty much stick to the "Ten" Commandments - but I am sure they also include "Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5 and "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

And I assume they also would include some Lev 18 rules about LGBT agenda issues...

Here is a thread on the 613 commands in OT vs the 1050 commands in the NT

1050 New Testament Commands vs 613 Old Testament Commands, which do we follow?.

It appears you are asking for exhaustive lists of that part of the Word of God that fits within those boundaries and is not "deleted" from the way you construct your posts. Not sure what your point is because to this point you don't appear to agree even with the simplest list given.

Can you bring yourself to agree "at least" to what the confessions of faith say about the TEN? And if not - then why all these posts that argue for something like "tell me every line of scripture you still accept... give me a list"

I think it is fair to say that I have not gone through the Bible and circled every text that is not a ceremonial law or a civil law of a theocracy that no longer applies - etc.

Why not? It doesn't seem like it would be a difficult task.

As already stated above in previous posts

Here is a thread on the 613 commands in OT vs the 1050 commands in the NT

1050 New Testament Commands vs 613 Old Testament Commands, which do we follow?.

Can you bring yourself to agree "at least" to what the confessions of faith say about the TEN? And if not - then why all these posts that argue for something like "tell me every line of scripture you still accept... give me a list"??

 

[Leaf473]

God's law (10 commandments) is not the law of Moses it was written by God alone and given by Moses to God's people however (Nehemiah 10:29). The Law of God (the 10 commandments) was spoken and written by God alone on two tables of stone as the standard of sin when broken and righteousness when obeyed. *Exodus 20:1-17; Exodus 31:18; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Psalms 119:172. Moses wrote the book of the law *Exodus 31:24-26 in which he also copied what God had written from the two tables of stone. The Mosaic book of the law is also called the book of the covenant in Exodus 24:7 and together it was the book of the law or covenant and Gods' tables of stone that made up the old covenant that were housed but separated under God's instructions in the Ark of the covenant (Deuteronomy 10:2-5; Deuteronomy 31:26). So it is God that made this separation between the Mosiac book of the law and His 10 commandments. I have only provided scriptures for what I believe which is God's Words not my words. What is it you do not believe? Do you believe breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments is sin?

Thanks for your answer!

Now when you say,
"The Law of God (the 10 commandments) was spoken and written by God alone on two tables of stone as the standard of sin when broken and righteousness when obeyed",
it sounds like the answer to my question below is that it's just the 10.

Out of all the laws given from the beginning of Genesis to the end of Deuteronomy, is it only the Ten commandments that are God's law? Is it only the Ten commandments that give us knowledge of sin when we break them, and knowledge of righteousness when we keep them?
Or do other laws do that as well?

In your view, it is only the Ten commandments that give us knowledge of sin when we break them, and knowledge of righteousness when we keep them.

Am I understanding you correctly there?
If so, then two observations:
You have a different list than our other brothers and sisters who agree with you on things like how to keep the Sabbath. (That is not intended in any way to cause any kind of division, it's just an observation.)
And, the list you use would not work for me as a complete list of the laws of God as given in the Old testament.

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I agree that God separated the Ten commandments from other the laws. But there are other separations as well. The scripture separates those commandments given at Mount Sinai from those given on the Plain of Moab.

But I disagree that the commandments of God are limited to just the 10. And if there are other commandments of God, then it doesn't make sense to me that it is only the 10 that are there standard of sin when we break them and knowledge of righteousness when we keep them.


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I agree that you quote lots of scripture. I think you also add your own commentary as well.
If you say, "The Law of God (the 10 commandments) was spoken and written by God alone on two tables of stone as the standard of sin when broken and righteousness when obeyed", and by that you mean only the 10 are that standard, then I try to think of where in the scriptures that is stated. I can't think of a place. Rather, what comes to mind are references where all of God's instructions are spoken of in a similar way. So, imo, what you said in that instance was commentary.

 

[Leaf473]

As already stated above in previous posts

In those previous posts, I see categories, not particular laws. Kind of like a dog breeder, similar to what I talked about above, who says they work with black dogs, white dogs, but not spotted dogs. They haven't actually told me what dogs they breed, they have given me categories of dog breeds. They haven't, for example, told me if they breed Chows.

The first obvious commandment I come to in the scriptures is You shall not eat meat with blood in it. It sounds like it is right to eat meat without blood in it, wrong to eat meat with blood. So it deals with right and wrong, I think you would put it in the moral laws category. But then again, it talks about blood of animals, and how the life is in the blood, so that sounds like leading up to animal sacrifice. So maybe you say a ceremonial law?

I don't see anything in your previous posts about why you haven't taken a Bible (these days I think it would be easiest to do on a computer) gone through the 613 laws and deleted the ones you feel are not in the moral laws category. Even easier, start with a webpage that has the 613 and remove the ceremonial laws, etc. I estimate about 5 seconds per law once you get rolling, so less than an hour total.

 

[BobRyan]

Here is a thread on the 613 commands in OT vs the 1050 commands in the NT

1050 New Testament Commands vs 613 Old Testament Commands, which do we follow?.

In those previous posts, I see categories, not particular laws.

I find that response more than a little confusing.

 

[BobRyan]

The first obvious commandment I come to in the scriptures is You shall not eat meat with blood in it. It sounds like it is right to eat meat without blood in it, wrong to eat meat with blood. So it deals with right and wrong, I think you would put it in the moral laws category.

ok fine. It is a statement on biology.

 

[BobRyan]

I don't see anything in your previous posts about why you haven't taken a Bible (these days I think it would be easiest to do on a computer) gone through the 613 laws and deleted the ones you feel are not in the moral laws category

Are you thinking it would be hard to function without drawing lines through my Bible??

BobRyan said: ↑
Can you bring yourself to agree "at least" to what the confessions of faith say about the TEN? And if not - then why all these posts that argue for something like "tell me every line of scripture you still accept... give me a list"??

 

[Bob S]

In those previous posts, I see categories, not particular laws. Kind of like a dog breeder, similar to what I talked about above, who says they work with black dogs, white dogs, but not spotted dogs. They haven't actually told me what dogs they breed, they have given me categories of dog breeds. They haven't, for example, told me if they breed Chows.

The first obvious commandment I come to in the scriptures is You shall not eat meat with blood in it. It sounds like it is right to eat meat without blood in it, wrong to eat meat with blood. So it deals with right and wrong, I think you would put it in the moral laws category. But then again, it talks about blood of animals, and how the life is in the blood, so that sounds like leading up to animal sacrifice. So maybe you say a ceremonial law?

I don't see anything in your previous posts about why you haven't taken a Bible (these days I think it would be easiest to do on a computer) gone through the 613 laws and deleted the ones you feel are not in the moral laws category. Even easier, start with a webpage that has the 613 and remove the ceremonial laws, etc. I estimate about 5 seconds per law once you get rolling, so less than an hour total.

At the top of the list is the Seventh-day Sabbath, defiantly ceremonial or ritual.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

At the top of the list is the Seventh-day Sabbath, defiantly ceremonial or ritual.

None, the 4th commandment Sabbath of the 10 commandments is a moral law of our duty of love to God.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Now when you say, "The Law of God (the 10 commandments) was spoken and written by God alone on two tables of stone as the standard of sin when broken and righteousness when obeyed", it sounds like the answer to my question below is that it's just the 10.

The scriptures provided in the post you are quoting from are God's Word. What do you think my post and the scriptures provided in them is saying to you? I asked you a question in that post at the end. Do you believe breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments according to the scriptures is sin?

"It sounds like" is not what I have said to you at all. I asked you if you believe if we break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments do we commit sin? The scriptures teach us very clearly that in times of ignorance when we do not know any better God winks at, but when He gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word he expects us to believe and follow it *Acts of the Apostle 17:30-31; James 4:17.

In your view is stating that there are other laws in the bible relevant for us today an excuse to break anyone of God's 10 commandments when Gods' 10 commandments give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed (1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:10-11; Psalms 119:172)?

As to the direct answer to your question there are many laws in the old covenant that are "shadow laws" of things to come fulfilled in the body of Christ *Colossians 2:17 and continued in Him based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6 and there are other laws that are still applicable today.

In your view, it is only the Ten commandments that give us knowledge of sin when we break them, and knowledge of righteousness when we keep them. Am I understanding you correctly there? If so, then two observations: You have a different list than our other brothers and sisters who agree with you on things like how to keep the Sabbath. (That is not intended in any way to cause any kind of division, it's just an observation.) And, the list you use would not work for me as a complete list of the laws of God as given in the Old testament.

As shown above already, that is not my view at all.

But there are other separations as well. The scripture separates those commandments given at Mount Sinai from those given on the Plain of Moab.

Sorry I do not understand what you mean by the above you may need to explain yourself a little more so I do not have a misunderstanding as to what your saying here.

But I disagree that the commandments of God are limited to just the 10. And if there are other commandments of God, then it doesn't make sense to me that it is only the 10 that are there standard of sin when we break them and knowledge of righteousness when we keep them.

Your making arguments no one is arguing about. Where have I ever said to you that Gods commandments are limited to Gods' 10 commandments? If I have never said such things to you why are you pretending that I have? I only asked you according to the scriptures is it sin to break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments? - I am still waiting for an answer.

I agree that you quote lots of scripture. I think you also add your own commentary as well. If you say, "The Law of God (the 10 commandments) was spoken and written by God alone on two tables of stone as the standard of sin when broken and righteousness when obeyed", and by that you mean only the 10 are that standard, then I try to think of where in the scriptures that is stated. I can't think of a place. Rather, what comes to mind are references where all of God's instructions are spoken of in a similar way. So, imo, what you said in that instance was commentary.

No I do not add a commentary. I will add a short comment and add scripture support for my comment. The scriptures provided are normally verbatim (word for word) meaning they are Gods' Word's not my words. Now what is it in any of my posts and scriptures that have been shared with you that you disagree with and why? (scripture please).

Thanks for sharing your view. I hope you no longer have any misunderstandings as to what I believe now.

 

[Leaf473]

I find that response more than a little confusing.

I'm sad to hear that you are confused by my post.

I'm sure you understand the difference between categories and particulars.

Did you understand what I was saying about the dog breeder?

How about you giving an example of dividing dogs into categories as opposed to naming the breeds specifically.
Or if breeds of dogs doesn't work for you, maybe use cars or something? Kinds of food?

 

[Leaf473]

ok fine. It is a statement on biology.

Does it go in the category of moral laws? Or a different category?

 

[Leaf473]

Are you thinking it would be hard to function without drawing lines through my Bible??

I think you can function without drawing lines through your Bible.

But if we again find ourselves in a thread where we are discussing the importance of keeping God's commandments and how we keep them, I think it would be really helpful if we could each see what the other believes God's commandments to be.

For example, I might ask how many moral commandments you see from Genesis to Deuteronomy in addition to the Ten commandments. If you were to give a fairly low number like 5, I would probably ask you to simply list them.
If you gave a high number like 300, then I might ask you if there was an easy way to describe where they were all located, such as are they all in the book of Exodus?

 

[Leaf473]

At the top of the list is the Seventh-day Sabbath, defiantly ceremonial or ritual.

I can see that a seventh day Sabbath in which attending a holy meeting is required would have some ceremonial aspects to it. Is that the kind of thing you're talking about?

I can also see that it would have moral aspects to it.

It's this kind of situation that leads me to believe that I don't have the ability to divide up the law into moral and ceremonial parts.

 

[Leaf473]

The scriptures provided in the post you are quoting from are God's Word. What do you think my post and the scriptures provided in them is saying to you?

I think what you are saying is that it is important to keep certain ones of God's commandments.
I think what the scriptures provided say is that it is important to keep all of God's commandments, or keep all of God's commandments in the same way.

I asked you a question in that post at the end. Do you believe breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments according to the scriptures is sin?

My apologies for missing that!

Yes, I think that breaking any one of God's commandments is sin.

"It sounds like" is not what I have said to you at all. I asked you if you believe if we break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments do we commit sin? The scriptures teach us very clearly that in times of ignorance when we do not know any better God winks at, but when He gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word he expects us to believe and follow it *Acts of the Apostle 17:30-31; James 4:17.

Yes, Amen to following the knowledge that God gives us!

Bummer that I misunderstood you, but hopefully we can reach a place where at least we understand what the other is saying

In your view is stating that there are other laws in the bible relevant for us today an excuse to break anyone of God's 10 commandments when Gods' 10 commandments give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed (1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:10-11; Psalms 119:172)?

No, it is not an excuse. However, those other laws would also give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed, would they not?

As to the direct answer to your question there are many laws in the old covenant that are "shadow laws" of things to come fulfilled in the body of Christ *Colossians 2:17 and continued in Him based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6 and there are other laws that are still applicable today.

Do you have a list of which laws you believe are still relevant today? And if you do have such a list, is it something that you can post here?

That's really the core of what I'm asking at this time

As shown above already, that is not my view at all.

And again, apologies for the misunderstanding.

Sorry I do not understand what you mean by the above you may need to explain yourself a little more so I do not have a misunderstanding as to what your saying here.

I believe you were talking about how the Ten commandments are separated from the other laws. I agree with that. However, that is not the only separation in the law. There are other separations in the law.

We both agree that there are more than 10 laws in the Old testament that we are to keep today. But as far as I can tell, the separations described in the scriptures do not fall along the lines of what are often called moral laws or ceremonial laws.

So to say that the Ten commandments are separated from the other commandments does not tell me what laws you believe to be still applicable today.

Your making arguments no one is arguing about.

That's because I didn't understand what you were saying. And I did ask you to correct me if I was wrong in that understanding, I believe. So thank you for the correction.

Where have I ever said to you that Gods commandments are limited to Gods' 10 commandments? If I have never said such things to you why are you pretending that I have?

My misunderstanding was based on this

The Law of God (the 10 commandments) was spoken and written by God alone on two tables of stone as the standard of sin when broken and righteousness when obeyed. *Exodus 20:1-17; Exodus 31:18; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Psalms 119:172.

The implication that I understood from that was that it was just the 10 that was that standard.

But apparently that was a misunderstanding.

I think we can save a lot of time and and prevent a lot of misunderstanding if you will say whether or not you have a list of the laws you believe are still applicable today. And if you do have such a list, it would be most helpful if you were to post it, imo.

I only asked you according to the scriptures is it sin to break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments? - I am still waiting for an answer.

Right, and my answer as far as I understand your question, is yes.

No I do not add a commentary. I will add a short comment and add scripture support for my comment. The scriptures provided are normally verbatim (word for word) meaning they are Gods' Word's not my words. Now what is it in any of my posts and scriptures that have been shared with you that you disagree with and why? (scripture please).

I disagree that we can divide the law into categories such as moral or ceremonial. And I disagree with the idea that we keep certain laws one way and other laws another way.

But again, imo this will be easier to talk about when I know exactly which laws you believe are still applicable today.

Thanks for sharing your view. I hope you no longer have any misunderstandings as to what I believe now.

I hope we don't have any further misunderstandings either! And I think we're making good progress