An Adventist view of the Sabbath Commandment - and why it is applicable to all mankind

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Ex 20:11 makes the case that the first text showing that humans were obligated to keep God's Sabbath - was Gen 2:1-3.

Gen 2:1-3
And so the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their heavenly lights. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Ex 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day; for that reason the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy (same word as in Gen 2 - Sanctified)

Ex 20:8-11 declares that God's act of Sanctifying something on Earth - creates an obligation for mankind to honor it.

Ex 20:10 "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)"

Mark 2:27 "the Sabbath was made for mankind - not mankind MADE for the Sabbath" speaks to the "making of both" in Gen 1-2:3.

No wonder gentiles are commanded not to profane the Sabbath in Is 56:6.
Is 56:
Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To attend to His service and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps the Sabbath so as not to profane it,
And holds firmly to My covenant;

This obligation regarding the Sabbath commandment continues for all mankind - as it is included in the Law "written on heart and mind" under Jeremiah's New Covenant Jer 31:31-34 and is applicable to all mankind for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth according Is 66:23.

No wonder even non-Bible Sabbath keeping scholarship admits to these Bible details --
The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism

Some examples - here #7
and here: #8

And of course here
Catholic Catechism shows that all ten - (the Decalogue) are a single unit and form grave obligation for all mankind - to this very day.

2076 By his life and by his preaching Jesus attested to the permanent validity of the Decalogue.

2077 The gift of the Decalogue is bestowed from within the covenant concluded by God with his people. God's commandments take on their true meaning in and through this covenant.

2078 In fidelity to Scripture and in conformity with Jesus' example, the tradition of the Church has always acknowledged the primordial importance and significance of the Decalogue.

2079 The Decalogue forms an organic unity in which each "word" or "commandment" refers to all the others taken together. To transgress one commandment is to infringe the whole Law (cf. Jas 2:10-11).

2080 The Decalogue contains a privileged expression of the natural law. It is made known to us by divine revelation and by human reason.

2081 The Ten Commandments, in their fundamental content, state grave obligations. However, obedience to these precepts also implies obligations in matter which is, in itself, light.


So fine -- then where might we differ with them?

2190 The Sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ

2174 ...
We all gather on the day of the sun, for it is the first day [after the Jewish sabbath, but also the first day] when God, separating matter from darkness, made the world; and on this same day Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead.106
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That is the sort of "replacement theology" that we do not agree with



======================= FYI

interesting comment about God's act of sanctifying something - creating an obligation for mankind to honor it.

from: 20. The Sanctity of Marriage (Exodus 20:14) | Bible.org

...the commandment, “You shall not commit adultery.” The principle underlying this commandment is that of the sanctity of marriage. The difference between John and myself over the use of a wood chisel is also a matter of sanctification. To John, a wood chisel is to be sanctified—set apart for use only on wood. To me, a wood chisel can be used for any number of things, including, if necessary, automobile engines.

Throughout the Bible, God sets certain things apart; He restricts their use; He sanctifies them. Mount Sinai, from which God spoke to Moses and the Israelites, was sanctified, set apart. Neither man nor beast was allowed to draw too near to it (Exod. 19:12-13, 23-24). The Israelites themselves were set apart from the Egyptians and from all other nations. We will discover in our lesson that marriage and sex were also sanctified by God. The implications of the sanctity of sex and marriage are the subject of this lesson.
 
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James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the Law as violators. 10 For whoever keeps the whole Law, yet stumbles in one point, has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do murder, you have become a violator of the Law. 12 So speak, and so act, as those who are to be judged by the law of freedom.

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" -- even in the NT

James 2 is not condemning the law to not take God's name in vain nor arguing that we need to be careful not to keep it - else we would have to "obey too much" .


Gal 5 does not condemn keeping God's commandments rather it condemns man-made traditions added to the Bible as if that were another gospel another way to get into heaven. (Note - there is no command in the OT that gentiles must be circumcised to be saved).

1 Cor 7:19 contrasts ceremonial law with the moral law of God "circumcision does not matter - what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

1 John 5:2-3
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and follow His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

Rev 14:12 the saints "KEEP the Commandments of God and their faith in Jesus"

Where the Commandments of God include "honor your father and mother" as being the "first commandment with a promise" in that still valid unit of Ten. Eph 6:1-2

Bible details that even the non-Bible-Sabbath keeping scholarship of almost all denominations admits to -

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Before this thread goes off into 613 Laws of OT vs 1050 Commands of NT -

Let's just agree we are not about to make a list of 1663 commands

1050 New Testament Commands vs 613 Old Testament Commands, which do we follow?
 
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The Ten Commandments were for the Jews only. God abolished it with the New Covenant. If you keep even part of it you reject Christ and must do all of it, including a full return to Judaism.
Yea exactly that

there are some cults aswell teaching that Sunday worship is mark of beast or something similar to that cuz its not "Sabbath"

some people just can't let go from some part of Scripture like it's imbodied into them by some sort of preacher early on and they can't let go of these abominations or don't want to do it.

Like there are still people who for example forbid to eat meat , when u ask why they say PIG IS FORBIDDEN but when when I ask them to read Genesis 9:3
and im like
does pig move ?
yes
can I everything that moves ?
erhe *mumbles* you can't eat pig!

But God said to Noah that he gives him EVERYTHING for food , why can't I eat pig , Noah could why can't I ?
 
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The Ten Commandments were for the Jews only. God abolished it with the New Covenant. If you keep even part of it you reject Christ and must do all of it, including a full return to Judaism.

The New Covenant is for "The house of Israel and the house of Judah" according to OT Jer 31:31-34 and according to the NT Heb 8:6-12

The TEN are the singular unit of Law where "Honor your father and mother" is the "First commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 according to Paul and still applies to Christians today.

Christ quotes from the TEN in Matt 19, so also does Paul quote from that same set in Rom 13

So then it is "still a sin" - to take God's name in vain - even for Christians.

Bible details that even the non-Bible-Sabbath keeping scholarship of almost all denominations admits to -

No wonder even non-Bible Sabbath keeping scholarship admit that all TEN of the TEN Commandments are included in the New Covenant and are in that LAW that applies to all mankind --
D.L. Moody
Baptist Confession of Faith Sectn 19
Westminster Confession of Faith Sectn 19
R.C Sproul
(C.H. Spurgeon)
etc
 
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The Ten Commandments were for the Jews only. God abolished it with the New Covenant. If you keep even part of it you reject Christ and must do all of it, including a full return to Judaism.
That comment would pretty much disagree with the whole bible (Romans 3:31; Romans 8:4; Romans 13:8-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14; Matthew 22:36-40; 1 John 5:2-4; Matthew 7:21-23; Matthew 5:17-19 etc etc...
 
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Baptist Confession of Faith -- as formatted by C.H.Spurgeon


The Law of God - Baptist Confession of Faith: Section 19


1. God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.

2. The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the Ten Commandments, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

3. Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.

4. To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.

5. The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it.

6. Although true believers are not under the law as a covenant of works, to be justified or condemned by it, yet it is of great use to them as well as to others, because as a rule of life it informs them of the will of God and their duty and directs and binds them to walk accordingly. It also reveals and exposes the sinful pollutions of their natures, hearts and lives, and using it for self-examination they may come to greater conviction of sin, greater humility and greater hatred of their sin. They will also gain a clearer sight of their need of Christ and the perfection of His own obedience. It is of further use to regenerate people to restrain their corruptions, because of the way in which it forbids sin. The threatenings of the law serve to show what their sins actually deserve, and what troubles may be expected in this life because of these sins even by regenerate people who are freed from the curse and undiminished rigours of the law. The promises connected with the law also show believers God's approval of obedience, and what blessings they may expect when the law is kept and obeyed, though blessing will not come to them because they have satisfied the law as a covenant of works. If a man does good and refrains from evil simply because the law encourages to the good and deters him from the evil, that is no evidence that he is under the law rather than under grace.

7. The aforementioned uses of the law are not contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but they sweetly comply with it, as the Spirit of Christ subdues and enables the will of man to do freely and cheerfully those things which the will of God, which is revealed in the law, requires to be done.
 
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Westminster Confession of Faith -



Chapter XIX

Of the Law of God

I. God gave to Adam a law, as a covenant of works, by which He bound him and all his posterity, to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience, promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it, and endued him with power and ability to keep it.[1]

II. This law, after his fall, continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness; and, as such, was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in Ten Commandments, and written in two tables:[2] the first four commandments containing our duty towards God; and the other six, our duty to man.[3]

III. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits;[4] and partly, holding forth divers instructions of moral duties.[5] All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the New Testament.[6]

IV. To them also, as a body politic, He gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the State of that people; not obliging under any now, further than the general equity thereof may require.[7]

V. The moral law does forever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof;[8] and that, not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it.[9] Neither does Christ, in the Gospel, any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation.[10]

VI. Although true believers be not under the law, as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified, or condemned;[11] yet is it of great use to them, as well as to others; in that, as a rule of life informing them of the will of God, and their duty, it directs and binds them to walk accordingly;[12] discovering also the sinful pollutions of their nature, hearts and lives;[13] so as, examining themselves thereby, they may come to further conviction of, humiliation for, and hatred against sin,[14] together with a clearer sight of the need they have of Christ, and the perfection of His obedience.[15] It is likewise of use to the regenerate, to restrain their corruptions, in that it forbids sin:[16] and the threatenings of it serve to show what even their sins deserve; and what afflictions, in this life, they may expect for them, although freed from the curse thereof threatened in the law.[17] The promises of it, in like manner, show them God's approbation of obedience,and what blessings they may expect upon the performance thereof:[18] although not as due to them by the law as a covenant of works.[19] So as, a man's doing good, and refraining from evil, because the law encourages to the one and deters from the other, is no evidence of his being under the law: and not under grace.[20]

VII. Neither are the forementioned uses of the law contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but do sweetly comply with it;[21] the Spirit of Christ subduing and enabling the will of man to do that freely, and cheerfully, which the will of God, revealed in the law, requires to be done.[22]
 
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The New Covenant is for "The house of Israel and the house of Judah" according to OT Jer 31:31-34 and according to the NT Heb 8:6-12

The TEN are the singular unit of Law where "Honor your father and mother" is the "First commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 according to Paul and still applies to Christians today.

Christ quotes from the TEN in Matt 19, so also does Paul quote from that same set in Rom 13

So then it is "still a sin" - to take God's name in vain - even for Christians.

Bible details that even the non-Bible-Sabbath keeping scholarship of almost all denominations admits to -

No wonder even non-Bible Sabbath keeping scholarship admit that all TEN of the TEN Commandments are included in the New Covenant and are in that LAW that applies to all mankind --
D.L. Moody
Baptist Confession of Faith Sectn 19
Westminster Confession of Faith Sectn 19
R.C Sproul
(C.H. Spurgeon)
etc
Believing Gentiles are Israel today, not those who reject Christ (Israel proper).
 
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The Ten Commandments were for the Jews only. God abolished it with the New Covenant. If you keep even part of it you reject Christ and must do all of it, including a full return to Judaism.
Your words not God's.
God said the Law is in our hearts and minds. That is the new Covenant. So it is now part of us. It is not abolished it is finally established through Christ. No longer because we have to, but because we want to through Him. That is the faith in which we preach.
 
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Your words not God's.
God said the Law is in our hearts and minds. That is the new Covenant. So it is now part of us. It is not abolished it is finally established through Christ. No longer because we have to, but because we want to through Him. That is the faith in which we preach.
““The LORD our God made a covenant with us at Mount Sinai. The LORD did not make this covenant with our ancestors, but with all of us who are alive today.” (Deuteronomy 5:2–3)

“Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made.” Galatians 3:19 (NASB95)

Are SDA's thugs and murderers? Personally, I would not go to a church that God had to threaten to kill if they murdered me. And that was the purpose of the Law.

“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;” 1 Timothy 1:9–10 (KJV 1900)
 
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Yea exactly that

there are some cults aswell teaching that Sunday worship is mark of beast or something similar to that cuz its not "Sabbath"

some people just can't let go from some part of Scripture like it's imbodied into them by some sort of preacher early on and they can't let go of these abominations or don't want to do it.
Your words not God's. God prophesied that those of Satan would try to change the Law that is prophesied to be in our hearts.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Like there are still people who for example forbid to eat meat , when u ask why they say PIG IS FORBIDDEN but when when I ask them to read Genesis 9:3
and im like
does pig move ?
yes
can I everything that moves ?
erhe *mumbles* you can't eat pig!

But God said to Noah that he gives him EVERYTHING for food , why can't I eat pig , Noah could why can't I ?
Your words not God's. If Noah had eaten any of the animals that were brought on board the Ark that were not clean they would have ceased to exist. The unclean animals were brought on the Ark by twos, the clean animals by sevens.

Gen 7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
 
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““The LORD our God made a covenant with us at Mount Sinai. The LORD did not make this covenant with our ancestors, but with all of us who are alive today.” (Deuteronomy 5:2–3)

“Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made.” Galatians 3:19 (NASB95)

Are SDA's thugs and murderers? Personally, I would not go to a church that God had to threaten to kill if they murdered me. And that was the purpose of the Law.
(KJV 1900)
Your words and interpretation. God said that His Law is in our hearts and minds. That His Word is in our heart and mouth. It is no longer on Tables of Stone or on parchment, but on the fleshly tables of the heart. Not it is not because we have to but because we want, this is the Faith in which we preach. That is the New Covenant through Christ. That is the Gospel.

And that would include the Sabbath.


And by the way Galatians is a letter that needs to understood in it's entirety. If we are dead nevertheless we are alive yet not us but Christ lives in us and the life we now live in the flesh we live by the faith of the Son of God we are one with Christ through His Spirit, His faith, having His Word; His Law in our hearts and minds.
“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;” 1 Timothy 1:9–10
The Law is not made for a righteous man. They do not need to be told because they are living through their heart and mind that which has the Law written in it. 1 Jo 3:7 says, "Little children be not deceived he that does righteousness is righteous even as He that is righteous." The "He" is Christ. The words "even as" denotes a direct comparison. So we are righteous even as Jesus was righteous. How was Jesus righteous? He did righteous things through the Spirit. So we having His Spirit do the same. If not we are not.
 
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Your words and interpretation. God said that His Law is in our hearts and minds. That His Word is in our heart and mouth. It is no longer on Tables of Stone or on parchment, but on the fleshly tables of the heart. Not it is not because we have to but because we want, this is the Faith in which we preach. That is the New Covenant through Christ. That is the Gospel.

And that would include the Sabbath.


And by the way Galatians is a letter that needs to understood in it's entirety. If we are dead nevertheless we are alive yet not us but Christ lives in us and the life we now live in the flesh we live by the faith of the Son of God we are one with Christ through His Spirit, His faith, having His Word; His Law in our hearts and minds.
The Law is not made for a righteous man. They do not need to be told because they are living through their heart and mind that which has the Law written in it. 1 Jo 3:7 says, "Little children be not deceived he that does righteousness is righteous even as He that is righteous." The "He" is Christ. The words "even as" denotes a direct comparison. So we are righteous even as Jesus was righteous. How was Jesus righteous? He did righteous things through the Spirit. So we having His Spirit do the same. If not we are not.
Only Bad people needed the Ten Commandments. Are you this loathsome that you need them?
 
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Only Bad people needed the Ten Commandments. Are you this loathsome that you need them?
The Law is in our hearts and minds. His word is in our heart and mouth through Christ. That would include the Ten. It is not longer because we have to but because we want to through Christ.

Behold we are new creation in Christ Jesus, not I but Christ.
 
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The Law is in our hearts and minds. His word is in our heart and mouth through Christ. That would include the Ten. It is not longer because we have to but because we want to through Christ.

Behold we are new creation in Christ Jesus, not I but Christ.
You have the wrong law. Christians have the Law of Love written on their hearts. God does not need to threaten to kill them as he did under the TCs.
 
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You have the wrong law. Christians have the Law of Love written on their hearts. .
Your words not God's. He has said, He will write the Law in our hearts and minds, His word in our hearts and mouths.

God does not need to threaten to kill them as he did under the TCs
We are new creation in Christ. His word, His Law being in our hearts. But those who are without or who ignore the gift shall die in their sins. For the wages of sin is death, and if we are sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin, but certain fearful looking forward to judgment and fiery indignation which shall destroy the adversary. He who despised Moses' Law died under two or three witnesses. Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. But the just live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
 
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Your words not God's. He has said, He will write the Law in our hearts and minds, His word in our hearts and mouths.

We are new creation in Christ. His word, His Law being in our hearts. But those who are without or who ignore the gift shall die in their sins. For the wages of sin is death, and if we are sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin, but certain fearful looking forward to judgment and fiery indignation which shall destroy the adversary. He who despised Moses' Law died under two or three witnesses. Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. But the just live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
Jesus taught the spiritual application of the Ten Commandments in the Sermon on the Mount. You have no idea what it means if you still badger people with your version of the law designed for wicked people under threat of death.
 
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