How Should You View Yourself - As a Christian?

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I have a faith that is unwavering. God knows my heart . Only after death can one know just how perfect their faith had been.

May God be with you, and the peace of the Lord Jesus Christ, Maria. Believe believers in this life can be mature in their faith and walk with God, which is a choice we all have in this life.

Praise always be to God and the Lord Jesus Christ for what they have done for all of humanity. From their mercy, forgiveness, peace, love, And to them for all the gifts and promises they give freely through the spirit, and through the word of God.

So many great things come from God like peace, rest, kindness, forgiveness, mercy, forbearance, long suffering, gentleness, faithfulness all from the spirit God gives to believers freely.
 
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Hello you and welcome.

How should you view yourself as a Christian?

To this notion; first and foremost -> The bible is a gift of God that human beings have now today, to look at and read and see the Creation of the World, and also to Learn about the works of God through out history, it is a history of records of recorded times through out the generations preserved by Gods grace, and to see and learn about the Lord Jesus Christ the Son of God who is found in the truth of the Good News - The Four Gospels.

About His life, death, burial, and resurrection.

How should a Christian view themselves? -> Most in the world today, depending on the culture of Christianity you are around -> Many people will harp on sin. -> Sin, sin, sin. ->


As human beings by nature we are sinful. -> There are scriptures in the bible you can look up that deal with sin - if you use this site (Browse by letter: 'A' - Thompson Chain Reference - ) click on the Letter -> S and find the word Sin.

You will see every scripture that has to do with sin.​

As human beings -> We are normally lead and tended to by our parents, and teachers who come a long the way as we grow up through life, and that even means people who are out there teaching the bible when you go to church.

Have no idea what many churches preach about but do know normally one thing that is heaped and harped on and over are things like the last days, hell, sin. (For the most part) Not all churches are this way -> Have been in some that do mention of these things sometimes.​

So the topic of this is as a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ what should you look at yourself as if you are redeemed by the redeemer who is the Author and finisher of your faith?

Do you continue to harp over your sin, and see yourself as a sinner all the time?

What does the bible say about how a Christian is suppose to see sin? ((9 Verses) Dead to Sin) These are 9 verses on sin, and how a Christian is suppose to look and see sin. As dead.​

You as a Christian believer, should understand that Jesus Christ has forgiven your sins already. God showed loved for you first, the Lord Jesus Christ also showed love for you first.

Because they loved us, as believers you are to Love God back.​

If you Love God back -> It means to place him first daily in your life always, praying for others, forgiving others, continue to grow by the spirit, and in the knowledge of Gods will, spiritual understanding, and wisdom which is found in Christ Jesus our Lord.

If you live by the spirit by Loving God -> You are going to naturally be able to have Love towards Others. God makes us alive by the spirit -> The spirit lives with-in us.



You move away from (looking at your mistakes) looking towards Earthly things and start to let God renew your mind, and renew your heart through the spirit that is given by God.

You are a new creation in Christ Jesus -> conformed into his image, the more you grow in the spirit, and die to the sin (of the flesh).

You are not to see yourself as a sinner, if you are a believer who is seeking for truth.

You are a now a Child of God, (Son or Daughter of God) -> Forgiven of your sins, they have been removed from your account by the buying back of the Lord Jesus Christ of your sin -> into being able to have a relationship with God now.


What are your thoughts about these things?

How should you view yourself - as a Christian?
Please consider the need for all of the Brother’s and Sister’s of Christ to be converted. When Christ opens ones eyes it’s miraculous and I can’t explain it. When He came to me over 30 years ago I was very lost. I didn’t think I was lost at that time. When He opened my eyes to The Word I knew it was Him. Please pray on this. Only Through Christ can we See and Hear. This very Spiritual experience is ongoing. The Love of God increases as He is revealed.
 
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Hello you and welcome.

How should you view yourself as a Christian?

To this notion; first and foremost -> The bible is a gift of God that human beings have now today, to look at and read and see the Creation of the World, and also to Learn about the works of God through out history, it is a history of records of recorded times through out the generations preserved by Gods grace, and to see and learn about the Lord Jesus Christ the Son of God who is found in the truth of the Good News - The Four Gospels.

About His life, death, burial, and resurrection.

How should a Christian view themselves? -> Most in the world today, depending on the culture of Christianity you are around -> Many people will harp on sin. -> Sin, sin, sin. ->


As human beings by nature we are sinful. -> There are scriptures in the bible you can look up that deal with sin - if you use this site (Browse by letter: 'A' - Thompson Chain Reference - ) click on the Letter -> S and find the word Sin.

You will see every scripture that has to do with sin.​

As human beings -> We are normally lead and tended to by our parents, and teachers who come a long the way as we grow up through life, and that even means people who are out there teaching the bible when you go to church.

Have no idea what many churches preach about but do know normally one thing that is heaped and harped on and over are things like the last days, hell, sin. (For the most part) Not all churches are this way -> Have been in some that do mention of these things sometimes.​

So the topic of this is as a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ what should you look at yourself as if you are redeemed by the redeemer who is the Author and finisher of your faith?

Do you continue to harp over your sin, and see yourself as a sinner all the time?

What does the bible say about how a Christian is suppose to see sin? ((9 Verses) Dead to Sin) These are 9 verses on sin, and how a Christian is suppose to look and see sin. As dead.​

You as a Christian believer, should understand that Jesus Christ has forgiven your sins already. God showed loved for you first, the Lord Jesus Christ also showed love for you first.

Because they loved us, as believers you are to Love God back.​

If you Love God back -> It means to place him first daily in your life always, praying for others, forgiving others, continue to grow by the spirit, and in the knowledge of Gods will, spiritual understanding, and wisdom which is found in Christ Jesus our Lord.

If you live by the spirit by Loving God -> You are going to naturally be able to have Love towards Others. God makes us alive by the spirit -> The spirit lives with-in us.



You move away from (looking at your mistakes) looking towards Earthly things and start to let God renew your mind, and renew your heart through the spirit that is given by God.

You are a new creation in Christ Jesus -> conformed into his image, the more you grow in the spirit, and die to the sin (of the flesh).

You are not to see yourself as a sinner, if you are a believer who is seeking for truth.

You are a now a Child of God, (Son or Daughter of God) -> Forgiven of your sins, they have been removed from your account by the buying back of the Lord Jesus Christ of your sin -> into being able to have a relationship with God now.


What are your thoughts about these things?

How should you view yourself - as a Christian?

I see myself as God sees me:

Chosen by God 


…just as He chose us In Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him. Ephesians 1:4

Saved by grace

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

God is propitiated satisfied 


…and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. 1 John 2:2

Reconciled to God


For if, when we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His life! Romans 5:10

Redeemed 


In Him, we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace. Ephesians 1:7

Freed from the Law


Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, that we might bear fruit for God. Romans 7:4

Totally forgiven

When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision Of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave its all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its 
regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; He took it away, nailing it to the cross. Colossians 2:13

Totally cleansed 


And such were some of you, but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:11

He saved us, not on the basis of deeds we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit. Titus 3:5

Made holy and blameless 


But now He has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy In His sight, without blemish and free from accusation. Colossians 1:22

Justified

For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. Romans 3:23-24

Safe from the wrath of God


Much more, having been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. Romans 5:9

Made at peace with God

Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have, peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 5:1

Freed from condemnation


There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. Romans 8:1

Sanctified


By God’s will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus once for all. Hebrews 10: 10

Made perfect forever

For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. Hebrews 10: 14

Totally accepted

Wherefore, accept one another, just as Christ also accepted us to the glory of God. 
Romans 15:7

In fellowship with God

God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ. 
1 Corinthians 1:9
 
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I see myself as God sees me:

Chosen by God 


…just as He chose us In Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him. Ephesians 1:4

Saved by grace

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

God is propitiated satisfied 


…and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. 1 John 2:2

Reconciled to God


For if, when we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His life! Romans 5:10

Redeemed 


In Him, we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace. Ephesians 1:7

Freed from the Law


Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, that we might bear fruit for God. Romans 7:4

Totally forgiven

When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision Of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave its all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its 
regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; He took it away, nailing it to the cross. Colossians 2:13

Totally cleansed 


And such were some of you, but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:11

He saved us, not on the basis of deeds we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit. Titus 3:5

Made holy and blameless 


But now He has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy In His sight, without blemish and free from accusation. Colossians 1:22

Justified

For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. Romans 3:23-24

Safe from the wrath of God


Much more, having been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. Romans 5:9

Made at peace with God

Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have, peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 5:1

Freed from condemnation


There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. Romans 8:1

Sanctified


By God’s will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus once for all. Hebrews 10: 10

Made perfect forever

For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. Hebrews 10: 14

Totally accepted

Wherefore, accept one another, just as Christ also accepted us to the glory of God. 
Romans 15:7

In fellowship with God

God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ. 
1 Corinthians 1:9

Hello gracebro, thank you for sharing so much scripture maybe that will help others. Thank you.
 
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Please consider the need for all of the Brother’s and Sister’s of Christ to be converted. When Christ opens ones eyes it’s miraculous and can’t be explained. When He came to me over 30 years ago I was very lost. I didn’t think I was lost at that time. When He opened my eyes to The Word I knew it was Him. Please pray on this. Only Through Christ can we See and Hear. This very Spiritual experience is ongoing. The Love of God increases as He is revealed.

Concur, it is a true experience and very real coming to God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Thank you for commenting.
 
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Hello you and welcome.

How should you view yourself as a Christian?

To this notion; first and foremost -> The bible is a gift of God that human beings have now today, to look at and read and see the Creation of the World, and also to Learn about the works of God through out history, it is a history of records of recorded times through out the generations preserved by Gods grace, and to see and learn about the Lord Jesus Christ the Son of God who is found in the truth of the Good News - The Four Gospels.

About His life, death, burial, and resurrection.

How should a Christian view themselves? -> Most in the world today, depending on the culture of Christianity you are around -> Many people will harp on sin. -> Sin, sin, sin. ->


As human beings by nature we are sinful. -> There are scriptures in the bible you can look up that deal with sin - if you use this site (Browse by letter: 'A' - Thompson Chain Reference - ) click on the Letter -> S and find the word Sin.

You will see every scripture that has to do with sin.​

As human beings -> We are normally lead and tended to by our parents, and teachers who come a long the way as we grow up through life, and that even means people who are out there teaching the bible when you go to church.

Have no idea what many churches preach about but do know normally one thing that is heaped and harped on and over are things like the last days, hell, sin. (For the most part) Not all churches are this way -> Have been in some that do mention of these things sometimes.​

So the topic of this is as a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ what should you look at yourself as if you are redeemed by the redeemer who is the Author and finisher of your faith?

Do you continue to harp over your sin, and see yourself as a sinner all the time?

What does the bible say about how a Christian is suppose to see sin? ((9 Verses) Dead to Sin) These are 9 verses on sin, and how a Christian is suppose to look and see sin. As dead.​

You as a Christian believer, should understand that Jesus Christ has forgiven your sins already. God showed loved for you first, the Lord Jesus Christ also showed love for you first.

Because they loved us, as believers you are to Love God back.​

If you Love God back -> It means to place him first daily in your life always, praying for others, forgiving others, continue to grow by the spirit, and in the knowledge of Gods will, spiritual understanding, and wisdom which is found in Christ Jesus our Lord.

If you live by the spirit by Loving God -> You are going to naturally be able to have Love towards Others. God makes us alive by the spirit -> The spirit lives with-in us.



You move away from (looking at your mistakes) looking towards Earthly things and start to let God renew your mind, and renew your heart through the spirit that is given by God.

You are a new creation in Christ Jesus -> conformed into his image, the more you grow in the spirit, and die to the sin (of the flesh).

You are not to see yourself as a sinner, if you are a believer who is seeking for truth.

You are a now a Child of God, (Son or Daughter of God) -> Forgiven of your sins, they have been removed from your account by the buying back of the Lord Jesus Christ of your sin -> into being able to have a relationship with God now.


What are your thoughts about these things?

How should you view yourself - as a Christian?
I view myself as God’s beloved. Every morning, I have told God that I am His beloved. Because He has loved me first — He has given me His first love.
 
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Hello you and welcome.

How should you view yourself as a Christian?

To this notion; first and foremost -> The bible is a gift of God that human beings have now today, to look at and read and see the Creation of the World, and also to Learn about the works of God through out history, it is a history of records of recorded times through out the generations preserved by Gods grace, and to see and learn about the Lord Jesus Christ the Son of God who is found in the truth of the Good News - The Four Gospels.

About His life, death, burial, and resurrection.

How should a Christian view themselves? -> Most in the world today, depending on the culture of Christianity you are around -> Many people will harp on sin. -> Sin, sin, sin. ->


As human beings by nature we are sinful. -> There are scriptures in the bible you can look up that deal with sin - if you use this site (Browse by letter: 'A' - Thompson Chain Reference - ) click on the Letter -> S and find the word Sin.

You will see every scripture that has to do with sin.​

As human beings -> We are normally lead and tended to by our parents, and teachers who come a long the way as we grow up through life, and that even means people who are out there teaching the bible when you go to church.

Have no idea what many churches preach about but do know normally one thing that is heaped and harped on and over are things like the last days, hell, sin. (For the most part) Not all churches are this way -> Have been in some that do mention of these things sometimes.​

So the topic of this is as a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ what should you look at yourself as if you are redeemed by the redeemer who is the Author and finisher of your faith?

Do you continue to harp over your sin, and see yourself as a sinner all the time?

What does the bible say about how a Christian is suppose to see sin? ((9 Verses) Dead to Sin) These are 9 verses on sin, and how a Christian is suppose to look and see sin. As dead.​

You as a Christian believer, should understand that Jesus Christ has forgiven your sins already. God showed loved for you first, the Lord Jesus Christ also showed love for you first.

Because they loved us, as believers you are to Love God back.​

If you Love God back -> It means to place him first daily in your life always, praying for others, forgiving others, continue to grow by the spirit, and in the knowledge of Gods will, spiritual understanding, and wisdom which is found in Christ Jesus our Lord.

If you live by the spirit by Loving God -> You are going to naturally be able to have Love towards Others. God makes us alive by the spirit -> The spirit lives with-in us.



You move away from (looking at your mistakes) looking towards Earthly things and start to let God renew your mind, and renew your heart through the spirit that is given by God.

You are a new creation in Christ Jesus -> conformed into his image, the more you grow in the spirit, and die to the sin (of the flesh).

You are not to see yourself as a sinner, if you are a believer who is seeking for truth.

You are a now a Child of God, (Son or Daughter of God) -> Forgiven of your sins, they have been removed from your account by the buying back of the Lord Jesus Christ of your sin -> into being able to have a relationship with God now.


What are your thoughts about these things?

How should you view yourself - as a Christian?
as Christians, we are defined through Christ and deny our own self-identity. We are sinless through Christ, we are children of God through Christ, we are forgiven through Christ. the moment we remove Christ we begin to embrace our own abilities and implicitly are denying Christ. The warning against the church of Laodicea is that they no longer needed God and looked to their own strength blinded to the fact that they were poor, wretched and naked on their own. the hot/cold passion interpretation misses the whole message of the text. In the text hot and cold are desired and it is only lukewarm that is undesired. Hot and cold thus are laudable goals and pleasing to God where lukewarm is displeasing. As westerners, we highly value self-identity over community or even through faith and for some, we are highly successful... all without God as the source of our identity. this is the spirit of the church of Laodicea Christ spoke of in Rev 3. So if we are rich and successful we are rich and successful through Christ, anything other than that denies Christ.
 
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Okay, you are right, yes we are all sinners. That is agreed upon.

Here lately Lost4words have been learning lately as believers in Christ how we are to become dead to sin. It’s not often taught in churches or anywhere I know of.

It is interesting, and fascinating to learn about.

To realize that we aren’t no longer seen as sinners when we come to God, though as his children. All people are creations of God, who are all messy and sinful, yet when you turn to God and the Lord Jesus Christ -> like the prodigal son the Father rejoices, over someone who turns to God and dies to their former lifestyle. Being born again into a new lifestyle that is not based on the flesh yet on the spirit.

How are we to handle someone who comes to us in a conversation bringing up their sin, and how they can’t stop doing it, and how guilty and shameful it effects them, yet they can’t stop?

Is it to tell them to repent? Is it to tell them, hey you know understand you by your own choice are making the decisions, but don’t you realize as a Christian we are seen as children of God or a son and daughter of God if we walk by the spirit?

That flesh of ours is powerful, but the spirit is far superior, and the scriptures indicate believers are to be dead to sin, and realize that Christ lives in them, and He has the power to make the winds and seas obey him, and even the demons he cast out obeyed him.

Can not Jesus Christ through you, put to death the things you are doing in your flesh that keep you sinning that makes you feel guilty or ashamed by the spirit?

Or is it impossible?

Thank you again for your comment.

Ps, I don’t think we can be perfect (never like Jesus Christ in the fleshly body we have) but most assuredly mature in faith, in God and Jesus walking by the spirit that is given.

I agree.

I dont aim to sin but it happens. I try my best. I know i am not perfect. I am realistic.

I thank God for His undying mercy, love and patience.

God bless you
 
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I agree.

I dont aim to sin but it happens. I try my best. I know i am not perfect. I am realistic.

I thank God for His undying mercy, love and patience.

God bless you

Hello Lost4word,

Thanks be to God for the Lord Jesus Christ, and praise be to them always! We aren't able to accomplish what they have been able to, to keep our focus and eyes on Him, by the spirit shall Christ Jesus perform -> For Christ Jesus lives with-in us.

Galatians 2:20 with Christ I have been crucified, and live no more do I, and Christ doth live in me; and that which I now live in the flesh -- in the faith I live of the Son of God, who did love me and did give himself for me;

Take care! - Thank you for your message sir.

Ps, Just so everyone knows it is not about proving yourself to others online or anything like this. It is to know who you are in Christ Jesus, by the spirit that God gives us. To continue to seek in relationship with them, and to realize what hope there is in God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

May all here grow in their faith and trust in God relying on Him and His Son Jesus Christ whom is the Lord of Lords, and King of kings.
 
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as Christians, we are defined through Christ and deny our own self-identity. We are sinless through Christ, we are children of God through Christ, we are forgiven through Christ. the moment we remove Christ we begin to embrace our own abilities and implicitly are denying Christ. The warning against the church of Laodicea is that they no longer needed God and looked to their own strength blinded to the fact that they were poor, wretched and naked on their own. the hot/cold passion interpretation misses the whole message of the text. In the text hot and cold are desired and it is only lukewarm that is undesired. Hot and cold thus are laudable goals and pleasing to God where lukewarm is displeasing. As westerners, we highly value self-identity over community or even through faith and for some, we are highly successful... all without God as the source of our identity. this is the spirit of the church of Laodicea Christ spoke of in Rev 3. So if we are rich and successful we are rich and successful through Christ, anything other than that denies Christ.

Hello DaminanWars,

Agree with much of you have shared here. God would rather someone Hate Him, rather than someone who was indifferent to Him, or God being dead to them. Because when you hate, at least you have still type of feeling towards Him. But if He is dead to you, or you are indifferent, between either Hating Him, or Loving Him. Is a dangerous place to be, according to the scripture you indicated about hot/cold.

As Christians we are encouraged to see ourselves as children of God, or Son or Daughter of God when we live by the spirit. As Christian believers we have changed from our old lifestyle of living and thinking only about what is here on earth, and our own life into turning around and thinking about God, and heavenly things, and what He desires from us as his children.

There is a process though when it comes to this as well, as new Christians who come to the faith, they are as babes in Christ and through years, and continuing to grow they become a child, then a son or daughter fully grown and mature in the faith as well.

So it is a process in a believers life through trial and experience, in turning and placing trust towards God into becoming Loving towards God, and Loving towards others.

May God help each and every member here grow in their knowledge of Gods will, spiritual understanding and wisdom found in Christ Jesus, by the spirit that is given!
 
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Agree with much of you have shared here. God would rather someone Hate Him, rather than someone who was indifferent to Him, or God being dead to them. Because when you hate, at least you have still type of feeling towards Him. But if He is dead to you, or you are indifferent, between either Hating Him, or Loving Him. Is a dangerous place to be, according to the scripture you indicated about hot/cold.
I'm sorry but I don't believe the text is saying this albeit it is a popular interpreation. The text is not about measuring temp of water with our passion for God, cold for hatred, hot love and warm indifference. I know we jump to that because I think we automatically want to create a sliding temp scale but the text never says this and I don't believe God desires us to not love or believe in him. Cold is not hatred or unbelife, it is a good and desirable quality of water. Hot is not the best and most desired, it is another desired quality of water. It is only lukewarm the text shows us is undesired. If this is too difficult change the words in the text to colours, red, blue and yellow and if yellow is lukewarm you will read the text seeing that the colours red and blue are desired and yellow is undesired. This is a historical context surrounding this regarding water sources around the city and I encouraging you to look that up. My point however is that when we trust ourselves and leave God out (lukewarm undesired water) we are blind, naked and poor.
 
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I'm sorry but I don't believe the text is saying this albeit it is a popular interpreation. The text is not about measuring temp of water with our passion for God, cold for hatred, hot love and warm indifference. I know we jump to that because I think we automatically want to create a sliding temp scale but the text never says this and I don't believe God desires us to not love or believe in him. Cold is not hatred or unbelife, it is a good and desirable quality of water. Hot is not the best and most desired, it is another desired quality of water. It is only lukewarm the text shows us is undesired. If this is too difficult change the words in the text to colours, red, blue and yellow and if yellow is lukewarm you will read the text seeing that the colours red and blue are desired and yellow is undesired. This is a historical context surrounding this regarding water sources around the city and I encouraging you to look that up. My point however is that when we trust ourselves and leave God out (lukewarm undesired water) we are blind, naked and poor.

Hello Damian,

Thank you for explaining your viewpoint, and adding to the discussion, along with everyone here.

Though it is historical, is there a spiritual meaning as well or is it solely historical?

Would be my only question for you, thank you again @DamianWarS
 
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There's a danger in self-reflection. Any human that reflects on themselves too much becomes selfish and prideful.

For instance:
  • It would be easy for a Christian to settle into complacency; secure in the promise that their sins are forgiven and they can continue in the same sin(s) indefinitely. It can become a repetitive cycle where grace is abused in selfishness (Romans 6:1-2).
  • It would be easy for a Christian to puff themselves up, as a child of God, looking down on the unwashed masses. Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall (Proverbs 16:18).
A Christian should be selfless and meek, holy and righteous (Matthew 5:5-6). Just how do you self-reflect in a healthy way?
  • Ground yourself in humility.
  • Recognize your sinful self in all its wretchedness.
  • Take your wretched self to Jesus and work on the things you need to work on.
  • Align with God's will, never taking for granted His gift of grace.
  • Enter into new life, making the changes you know you should.
Then you will be in a place where you can self-reflect as a practicing Christian, in a healthy Christian way and not have it turn into something sinful in the process.
 
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Though it is historical, is there a spiritual meaning as well or is it solely historical?
It certainly has spiritual applications. The letters are abstractly refering to the named churches but not the physical places/people however Christ is using the physical to emphasise and be the platform for the spiritual but the places should not be seen as arbitrarily chosen.

The physical in this case gives us insight into the temps of the water contrasting the natural cold water from Corinth and the hot springs of Hierapolis with the tepid aqueduct feed water from Laodecia.

It's Laocedia's kink in the chain and it may have been great... oh but the water. I've swam in the hot springs of Hierapolis (present day pamukkale) as well as seen the ruins of Laodecia/Corinth and the spiritual metaphor certainly hits home, I could imagine how much more powerful it was when these cities were active and water was far more precious than it is today. Cold = desirable water. Hot = desirable. Lukewarm = spit it out. This has greater impact in the ancient world perhaps than the modern when you just turn a knob to get the desired temp of water.

Laodecia show us when we look to ourself and our own abilities, regardless how great that seems, they are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked without Christ.
 
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It certainly has spiritual applications. The letters are abstractly refering to the named churches but not the physical places/people however Christ is using the physical to emphasise and be the platform for the spiritual but the places should not be seen as arbitrarily chosen.

The physical in this case gives us insight into the temps of the water contrasting the natural cold water from Corinth and the hot springs of Hierapolis with the tepid aqueduct feed water from Laodecia.

It's Laocedia's kink in the chain and it may have been great... oh but the water. I've swam in the hot springs of Hierapolis (present day pamukkale) as well as seen the ruins of Laodecia/Corinth and the spiritual metaphor certainly hits home, I could imagine how much more powerful it was when these cities were active and water was far more precious than it is today. Cold = desirable water. Hot = desirable. Lukewarm = spit it out. This has greater impact in the ancient world perhaps than the modern when you just turn a knob to get the desired temp of water.

Laodecia show us when we look to ourself and our own abilities, regardless how great that seems, they are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked without Christ.

Very interesting thank you for sharing, Damian.
 
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As human beings by nature we are sinful. -> There are scriptures in the bible you can look up that deal with sin - if you use this site (Browse by letter: 'A' - Thompson Chain Reference - ) click on the Letter -> S and find the word Sin.
To harp on sin constantly is wrong. We're to come to understand that we're sinners and be convicted of that sin so we can desire the better way and repent and turn to God, but to continue to condemn believers as sinners as some pastors do is unhealthy. Incidentally, fallen man does not sin by nature, as if his nature actually changed, but rather because he's unreconciled- out of relationship with- the only One who can take away and keep him from sin by justifying him, by pouring the love within the believer that opposes and excludes sin by its nature. Human nature will tend towards sin on its own to the extent that we're exiled from/apart from God. We need God's own life/nature/grace imparted to us which occurs as we now fellowship with Him

"Apart from Me you can do nothing"
John 15:5. That's the basis of the New Covenant. Man was made for communion with God. With him we are new creations, no longer slaves to sin.
 
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Hello you and welcome.

How should you view yourself as a Christian?

As God does, right?

How should a Christian view themselves? -> Most in the world today, depending on the culture of Christianity you are around -> Many people will harp on sin. -> Sin, sin, sin. ->

Actually, the modern Church - in the West, anyway - has grown very reluctant to talk about sin directly. I can't remember the last time I heard from a modern preacher straight-up preaching about sin. So, I wonder about your remark that "many people will harp on sin - Sin, sin, sin."

Sin is an important topic; it occupies much of Scripture, actually. The consequences of sin are very dire and so regular warnings against sin are warranted. Now, this isn't to say sin ought to constantly occupy a primary spot in the believer's thinking. No one ever became more like Christ by staring at their sin. But it is a very foolish person who turns a blind eye to sin entirely.

So the topic of this is as a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ what should you look at yourself as if you are redeemed by the redeemer who is the Author and finisher of your faith?

Well, the apostle Paul generally first reminded his readers of their identity in Christ, their membership in God's family and what it meant, and then he commanded them concerning right living and sin. The Christian's conduct, in Paul's mind, was always inextricably related to their spiritual position in Christ. He didn't write in his letters that such-and-such was right so just do it, or such-and-such is wrong so don't do it, but instead typically made righteousness the outflow of a believer being a "new creature in Christ." (2 Corinthians 5:17) Paul's letter to the Ephesians, for example, follows this dynamic very clearly. In fact, the letter begins with Paul carefully laying out in the first three chapters the basic truths of the Christian's life in Jesus. Only once this accomplished does he begin, in chapter 4, to enjoin specific behaviours of the Ephesian Christians.

This, it seems to me, is the correct way to approach talking about the Christian life - and "sin which does so easily beset." (Hebrews 12:1) Only in the context of the believer's identity in Christ should sin be discussed, not merely as a threat, but as a profound incongruity with who a born-again person is. One can get a good sense of this approach in Paul's words at the beginning of chapter 6 of Romans:

Romans 6:1-2
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?


Paul here, in a rather incredulous tone, asks the Roman believers why, given their spiritual union with Christ, they are still living in sin. He doesn't merely wag his finger at their sin, castigating them for it, but indicates that their sin does not at all comport with the reality of who they are as people united with Christ. He doesn't ignore the matter of sin but confronts it directly in connection with the truths of the Christian's spiritual position in Jesus.

Do you continue to harp over your sin, and see yourself as a sinner all the time?

If you are a sinner all the time, it's necessary to acknowledge that this is so - and then do about it what Scripture directs. Harping, though, usually is the tactic of the moralist/legalist.

You as a Christian believer, should understand that Jesus Christ has forgiven your sins already. God showed loved for you first, the Lord Jesus Christ also showed love for you first.

A man who has built in his bathroom a new high-power, walk-in shower with multiple shower heads, but who never uses the shower, may possess the shower but does not properly benefit from it, the shower not being applied to cleaning the man's person, as it was intended to do. Likewise, the forgiveness we possess in Christ benefits us, practically, not at all until, by confession of our sin (1 John 1:9), that forgiveness is applied to our sin, cleansing us from it. Until such time as a sinning believer confesses his sin to God, he cannot enjoy fellowship with Him. (Psalms 66:18; Isaiah 59:2; 1 Peter 3:12) This is the story of the Prodigal Son. The son went off into a far country, and, though never ceasing to be his father's son, was unable to enjoy intimate communion with his father. Not until the son repented of his wickedness and returned home, confessing his wretchedness to his father, was fellowship with his father restored. So, too, with the believer who has, by their sin, halted, not their relationship with their Heavenly Father, but their fellowship with Him.

So, no believer ought to treat their sin lightly, or, worse, ignore it.
 
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