WHAT IS THE REAL GOSPEL?

[LoveGodsWord]

No one in Christ dismisses the law. It is impossible. The Spirit He has given us will not let it be so.

There are many, however, who dismiss the Spirit in favor of their view of the law.

The Gospel is about Christ, not the law. If one dismisses Christ in this life he will not ever have life.

The law doesn’t give life, Christ does.

If you claim no one dismisses Gods' law, then what about God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments? James says if we knowingly break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *James 4:7; James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4. According to the scriptures no one has God's Spirit if they are breaking God's commandments as God only gives His Spirit to those who obey Him *Acts of the Apostles 5:29; 2:38; 1 John 2:3-4 and sin (breaking God's commandments 1 John 3:4) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil according to John in 1 John 3:6-10; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. Gods' promise of salvation according to the scriptures is from sin for sinners to all those who believe and follow Gods' Word according to Jesus *John 8:31-36 in all those who have been born again to love and walk in God's Spirit *1 John 3:6-9; Galatians 5:16; 1 John 5:2-3

 

[LoveGodsWord]

God's commandments - regardless if they are written on stone, paper, or the very creation itself - tell us our need for Christ.

Exactly Nathan, that was why I posted you those scriptures earlier and asked you what you thought they mean. God's law in the new covenant give us the knowledge of what sin is according to Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 because if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-12. The purpose of God's law is to show us our need of Christ (the great Physician from Matthew 9:12-13) who is the only one who can heal our sickness (Isaiah 1:4-6) and to lead us to Christ as sinners that we might be all forgiven by faith *Galatians 3:22-25 and be born again *1 John 3:6-9 and made free to walk in God's Spirit of love *Galatians 5:16. This is the role of God's 10 commandments in the new covenant promise of which God's 4th commandment is one of Gods 10 commandments that James says gives us a knowledge of what sin is when we knowingly break it in James 4:7 and James 2:10-11. As shown earlier in this thread the true Gospel is all the Word of God because all the Word of God is the good news of God's plan of salvation for all mankind.

 

[Freth]

No one in Christ dismisses the law. It is impossible. The Spirit He has given us will not let it be so.

There are many, however, who dismiss the Spirit in favor of their view of the law.

The Gospel is about Christ, not the law. If one dismisses Christ in this life he will not ever have life.

The law doesn’t give life, Christ does.

1 John 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

 

[Nathan@work]

If you claim no one dismisses Gods' law, then what about God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments? James says if we knowingly break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *James 4:7; James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4. According to the scriptures no one has God's Spirit if they are breaking God's commandments as God only gives His Spirit to those who obey Him *Acts of the Apostles 5:29; 2:38; 1 John 2:3-4 and sin (breaking God's commandments 1 John 3:4) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil according to John in 1 John 3:6-10; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. Gods' promise of salvation according to the scriptures is from sin for sinners to all those who believe and follow Gods' Word according to Jesus *John 8:31-36 in all those who have been born again to love and walk in God's Spirit *1 John 3:6-9; Galatians 5:16; 1 John 5:2-3

All the commandments are kept in Christ. The ones written on stone, paper, or the creation. The 4th being prominent.

Are you concerned because someone does not keep the 4th the way you do?

Are you the one who says how the 4th is obeyed?

The Spirit is who I listen to - who leads me.

Who leads you?

 

[Nathan@work]

Exactly Nathan, that was why I posted you those scriptures earlier and asked you what you thought they mean. God's law in the new covenant give us the knowledge of what sin is according to Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 because if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-12. The purpose of God's law is to show us our need of Christ (the great Physician from Matthew 9:12-13) who is the only one who can heal our sickness (Isaiah 1:4-6) and to lead us to Christ as sinners that we might be all forgiven by faith *Galatians 3:22-25 and be born again *1 John 3:6-9 and made free to walk in God's Spirit of love *Galatians 5:16. This is the role of God's 10 commandments in the new covenant promise of which God's 4th commandment is one of Gods 10 commandments that James says gives us a knowledge of what sin is when we knowingly break it in James 4:7 and James 2:10-11. As shown earlier in this thread the true Gospel is all the Word of God because all the Word of God is the good news of God's plan of salvation for all mankind.

The Gospel is Christ - not the law.

The one who Has Christ - the one who Christ has - is following Him, not the law.

Do you follow Christ, or do you follow the law?

God has forgiven us - not will forgiven us - He has forgiven us.

Do you reject His forgiveness in favor of the law?

 

[Nathan@work]

1 John 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Amen!

I know He abides in me because of the Spirit He has given.

His law is perfect, He is perfect. I am not.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The Gospel is Christ - not the law.

The one who Has Christ - the one who Christ has - is following Him, not the law.

Do you follow Christ, or do you follow the law?

God has forgiven us - not will forgiven us - He has forgiven us.

Do you reject His forgiveness in favor of the law?

According to the scriptures the gospel is every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God *Matthew 4:4.

What is the Gospel (scripture support)?
What is the "another" Gospel (scripture support)?

What do you think these scriptures and the ones shared with you earlier are saying Nathan. You even said in your own words that God's law shows us our need of Christ right? So what is it you are disagreeing with?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

All the commandments are kept in Christ. The ones written on stone, paper, or the creation. The 4th being prominent.

Are you concerned because someone does not keep the 4th the way you do?

Are you the one who says how the 4th is obeyed?

The Spirit is who I listen to - who leads me.

Who leads you?

Not really Nathan, Jesus did not obey God's law so that we do not have to (I hope your not saying that as it is not biblical). What do you think 1 John 2:3-4; and 1 John 3:4-10 mean? Jesus says unless we are born again *John 3:3-7 and our righteousness exceeds that of a form of godliness that denies Gods' power of salvation we cannot enter into the kingdom of Heaven (see Matthew 5:20; 2 Timothy 3:5 and Matthew 7:21-23).

 

[Nathan@work]

According to the scriptures the gospel is every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God *Matthew 4:4.

What is the Gospel (scripture support)?
What is the "another" Gospel (scripture support)?

What do you think these scriptures and the ones shared with you earlier are saying Nathan. You even said in your own words that God's law shows us our need of Christ right? So what is it you are disagreeing with?

While every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God is good, it is not "The Gospel". There is a reason that a particular word is used the way it is and it is meant for a specific reason.

While it may not be as specific as some say it is, it is not as broad as you make it out to be.

That is what I am disagreeing with. The Gospel is specific and it points to Christ - not the law.

The law itself points to Christ. By you rearranging things, you insert the law between the Gospel and Christ. You set a stumbling block before a person when you do that.

 

[Nathan@work]

Not really Nathan, Jesus did not obey God's law so that we do not have to (I hope your not saying that as it is not biblical). What do you think 1 John 2:3-4; and 1 John 3:4-10 mean? Jesus says unless we are born again *John 3:3-7 and our righteousness exceeds that of a form of godliness that denies Gods' power of salvation we cannot enter into the kingdom of Heaven (see Matthew 5:20; 2 Timothy 3:5 and Matthew 7:21-23).

I agree, I have never said we do not have to obey God's law.

As I said, the law is kept in Christ because He is the only one who fulfilled it. You, nor I, can in any way fulfill the righteous requirements of the law - only Christ.

This is grace. Grace does not mean we continue in sin. What it does mean is we are lead by the Spirit of God, not the law of God. He works in us, by His Spirit, to produce righteous works.

If you are being led by the law of God then you are not being led by the Spirit.

If you are not led by the Spirit then you are not His child.

 

[Freth]

I agree, I have never said we do not have to obey God's law.

As I said, the law is kept in Christ because He is the only one who fulfilled it. You, nor I, can in any way fulfill the righteous requirements of the law - only Christ.

This is grace. Grace does not mean we continue in sin. What it does mean is we are lead by the Spirit of God, not the law of God. He works in us, by His Spirit, to produce righteous works.

If you are being led by the law of God then you are not being led by the Spirit.

If you are not led by the Spirit then you are not His child.

Obedience of the law isn't received through osmosis. It requires effort on your part. It's why Jesus said, "If you love me, keep my commandments."—it's on you.

If—conditional.
You—your person.
Love—true Christianity.
Me—Jesus, God.
Keep—effort on your part.
My—Jesus', God's.
Commandments—eternal law.

 

[Nathan@work]

Obedience of the law isn't received through osmosis. It requires effort on your part. It's why Jesus said, "If you love me, keep my commandments."—it's on you.

If—conditional.
You—your person.
Love—true Christianity.
Me—Jesus, God.
Keep—effort on your part.
My—Jesus', God's.
Commandments—eternal law.

Obedience to the law cannot be done in the flesh. Only in Christ is the law kept perfect - anything less than perfect is sin.

Christ is not received through effort. Self-righteousness is through effort.

If --- You are willing
You --- Who are called
Love --- God's work
Me --- God's Son
Keep --- Follow the Spirit
My --- Spirit's leading
Commandments --- Jesus the Christ

[Jhn 1:11-13 ESV] He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

[Rom 8:14 ESV] For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.

Who leads you Freth? The law or the Spirit?

If you wonder who leads you, the easy way to know for sure is to ask yourself what do you follow? A person always follows that which is leading Him.

 

[Freth]

Obedience to the law cannot be done in the flesh. Only in Christ is the law kept perfect - anything less than perfect is sin.

Christ is not received through effort. Self-righteousness is through effort.

If --- You are willing
You --- Who are called
Love --- God's work
Me --- God's Son
Keep --- Follow the Spirit
My --- Spirit's leading
Commandments --- Jesus the Christ

[Jhn 1:11-13 ESV] He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

[Rom 8:14 ESV] For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.

Who leads you Freth? The law or the Spirit?

If you wonder who leads you, the easy way to know for sure is to ask yourself what do you follow? A person always follows that which is leading Him.

Psalms 23:3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Deuteronomy 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the Lord our God, as he hath commanded us.

2 Peter 2:1-2, 2 Peter 2:21 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of ... For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

 

[Nathan@work]

Psalms 23:3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Deuteronomy 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the Lord our God, as he hath commanded us.

2 Peter 2:1-2, 2 Peter 2:21 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of ... For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

[Heb 4:1-13 ESV]

Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it.

For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, "As I swore in my wrath, 'They shall not enter my rest,'" although his works were finished from the foundation of the world.

For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: "And God rested on the seventh day from all his works." And again in this passage he said, "They shall not enter my rest."

Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, "Today," saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,

"Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts."

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.

Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.

For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.


Enter His rest Freth. Be united to Faith not the Law.


[Gal 3:12 ESV]

But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them."

 

[LoveGodsWord]

While every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God is good, it is not "The Gospel".

Where does it say that every word of God is not the Gospel in the scriptures? Every Word of God is indeed the gospel according to the scriptures (scripture support) because every Word of God that we are to live by (Matthew 4:4) is indeed good news of God's plan of salvation for all mankind who believe and follow His Word. What we need to be careful of is the "another gospel" being taught by many today that is not the true gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ (scripture support). I do not see any scripture support for your view here if I am being honest.

 

[Nathan@work]

Where does it say that every word of God is not the Gospel in the scriptures? Every Word of God is indeed the gospel according to the scriptures (scripture support) because every Word of God that we are to live by (Matthew 4:4) is indeed good news of God's plan of salvation for all mankind who believe and follow His Word. What we need to be careful of is the "another gospel" being taught by many today that is not the true gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ (scripture support). I do not see any scripture support for your view here if I am being honest.

Your "scripture support" is nothing more than your interpretation of Biblical passages.

So I am not the one who needs to provide support. I believe you need to provide direct support if your claiming something that does not line up with sound doctrine.

There is one Gospel. It is called the Gospel, not the Word of God, for a reason.

I agree, there are a lot of "gospels" being preached. The one and only Gospel, which is the power of Salvation, is the one we should preach.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Your "scripture support" is nothing more than your interpretation of Biblical passages.

Not really Nathan, I have only provided scripture for what I believe which are Gods Words not my words. In response here you provide your words that are not God's Words but yours arguing with the scriptures shared with you. What is it in the scriptures shared with you that you disagree with and why (scripture please)? The gospel as shown earlier through the scriptures (here) is all the Word of God not some of it (Matthew 4:4).

 

[ViaCrucis]

Let's put this as simply as possible.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Let's put this as simply as possible.

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-CryptoLutheran

What leads us to the cross and what is the meaning of Matthew 9:12-13? The gospel as shown earlier through the scriptures (here) is all the Word of God not some of it (Matthew 4:4).

 

[ViaCrucis]

What leads us to the cross?

The Gospel, Romans 10:17

-CryptoLutheran