Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

[HIM]

According to Hebrews 4:1-13, the Christian rests full-time in God's full-time Sabbath-rest in the salvation-rest of Jesus, where we rest from our own work to save, and in Jesus' finished work that saved us.

According to Hebrews 4:1-13, Jesus is the fulfillment of God's full-time Sabbath rest, who was prefigured in the full-time rest from their enemies in Canaan, just as he is the fulfillment of the sacrifices, cleansings, feast days, holy years, tabernacle, priesthood and mediator/lawgiver.
"Lifestyle" is a good way to describe Commandments 5-10.

Oops! This wasn't addressed to me. . .oh, well, it's still God's revelation anyway.

Nowhere does it say any of that.

 

[Nathan@work]

What he gives me to know is understanding and opening of what is written, in light of the whole counsel of God.
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There were times, early on, when I really struggled with some things in the Bible.

Someone would say this, another person would say something different, so on and so forth.

I would literally cry because I did not know who was telling the truth - if any of them. It was those times I learned that God does give us what we need and does not withhold it when we ask.

There are times when I want to know something, but not enough to really ask Him. Other times I simply don’t need to know what I want to.

My Faith grows tremendously when He shows me things. I’ve learned over the years it is not always in the way you expect, so I always try to keep my ears open.

 

[Clare73]

According to Hebrews 4:1-13, the Christian rests full-time in God's full-time Sabbath-rest in the salvation-rest of Jesus, where we rest from our own work to save, and in Jesus' finished work that saved us.

According to Hebrews 4:1-13, Jesus is the fulfillment of God's full-time Sabbath rest, who was prefigured in the full-time rest from their enemies in Canaan, just as he is the fulfillment of the sacrifices, cleansings, feast days, holy years, tabernacle, priesthood and mediator/lawgiver.

Nowhere does it say any of that.

It does here, in post #715, Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

 

[HIM]

It does here, in post #715, Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

But Not in the Bible

 

[Greengardener]

Fundamentally, there are two ways that you can be guided through life to do God's will: the law and the Holy Spirit. If you haven't been born again and received the Holy Spirit then you must be guided externally by the law. If you have been born again and received the Holy Spirit then you are guided internally by Him.

They cannot co-exist! If you received the Holy Spirit you are "dead to the law"!

If you haven't been born again then there must be external rules in place to guide your behavior (and the behavior of others). So there is a definite need for law, both God's law and human law (in that order).

Pescador, I have found is that the Holy Spirit led me to do the very things written in God's law. I heard it first from the Holy Spirit and then found it in God's law. Then I realized that indeed we DO live by every word of God, whether written (as in the Bible), living (Jesus Christ), or suggested (by the Holy Spirit). I found no disagreement, as you mention. It gave me confidence in hearing the Holy Spirit to know it wasn't other sources of inner direction.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Addressed in post #715 Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?
Also #721, 733, 748.

What was it that you addressed exactly? I am still trying to work that out. Hebrews 4 actually supports the seventh day Sabbath it does not abolish it like you try and teach but allow me to show from the scriptures why I say this in friendly discussion. This one is to address what you have posted in post 715 to someone else so please forgive me for posting but my post is only meant to be helpful here.

God’s 10 commandments are not the mosaic covenant,

Your response here...

Check out Dt 4:12-13: - "Then LORD spoke to you out of the fire. You heard the sound of words but saw no form; there was only a voice. He declared to you his covenant, the Ten Commandments, which he commanded you to follow and then wrote them on two stone tablets,"

Many people make the same mistake thinking that it is only the 10 commandments that were the old covenant yet this is not biblical as can be shown in both the old covenant scriptures and the new covenant scripture. They do this to try and argue that God's 10 commandments they claim have been abolished in the new covenant despite the apparent contradictions of Jesus and all the Apostles teachings that God's 10 commandments are still a part of the new covenant teachings (e.g. Matthew 5:17-19; Mark 10:17-21; Matthew 22:36-40; Mark 2:27-28; Matthew 12:1-12; John 14:15; John 15:10; Romans 13:8-10; Romans 3:31; Romans 8:4; Galatians 5:16; 1 Corinthians 7:19; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; Romans 2:12-13; Romans 7:12; Galatians 3:22-25 - too many, more scriptures here) and everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new testament (scripture support here). So having an interpretation that God's 10 commandments is all there was to the old covenant is in contradiction to what is written in the new covenant scriptures as shown in the new covenant scriptures above where everyone of God's commandments are repeated as a requirement for Christian living.

The old covenant according to the scriptures which were kept in the Ark of the Covenant (Numbers 10:33, 14:44; Dt 10:8, 31:9, 26; Josh 3:6, 8, 11, 14, 4:7, 9, 18, 6:6, 8, 8:33; Jdg 20:27; 1Sa 4:3, 4, 5; 1Kgs 3:15 etc.).

Agreed, the old covenant was kept in the Ark (house) of the covenant, yet the scriptures you provide here do not define what the covenant is. They are just scriptures in regards to the Ark. So let's take a step back as you are only telling half the story here. We agree that the old covenant (Mosaic covenant) included God's 10 commandments as shown in Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13 yet according to the scriptures this was not all there was to the old covenant which also included the book of the covenant shown in EXODUS 24:7 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient. This was the other half of the old covenant which included all the laws for remission of sins, the Levitical Priesthood, animal sacrifices for sin offerings and the ceremonial laws of the earthly Sanctuary. As was shown through the scriptures posted in the previous section God's 10 commandments are still a part of the new covenant. It is the "shadow laws" for remission of sins from the Mosaic book of the covenant that are now fulfilled in the new covenant based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6; Hebrews 9:1-12; Hebrews 10:1-17. As shown through the scriptures both God's 10 commandments as well as the Mosaic BOOK of the covenant were kept in the Ark of the covenant. God's 10 commandment were placed inside the Ark of the covenant underneath the mercy seat *Exodus 25:16-17; Deuteronomy 10:1-5 while the book of the covenant *Exodus 24:7 was placed in the side of the Ark *Deuteronomy 31:24-26. So the full story here is that both God's 10 commandments as well as the Mosaic book of the law (Exodus 24:7; Deuteronomy 28:61; 29:21; 30:10; 31:24-26; Josiah 1:8; 8:31-34; 23:6; 24:26; 2 Kings 14:6; 22:8-11; 23:24; 2 Chronicles 17:9; 25:4; 34:14-15; Nehemiah 8:1-8;18; 9:3; Galatians 3:10; Hebrews 9:19; Hebrews 10:7 etc). So as shown from the scriptures the old covenant included both the 10 commandments and the Mosaic book of the law which included the shadow laws of remission of sins that pointed to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the new covenant based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6. Hebrews 10:1-17; Psalms 40:7, Then said I, See, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me Hebrews 10:7, Then said I, See, I come in the volume of the book it is written of me, to do your will, O God. It is the volume of the book that pointed to Jesus that is fulfilled in the new covenant based on better promises not God's 10 commandments.

Agreed. . .Christ did not give us the Sabbath commandment, but Christ fulfills the full-time (Hebrews 4:3-4) Sabbath-rest of God to NT believers in his full-time salvation rest from our work to save, and rest in Jesus' finished work which has saved. (Heb 4:8-11).

Wrong. Jesus kept the Sabbath and taught us how to correctly keep the Sabbath *Matthew 12:1-12 where he also taught us that the Sabbath was made for mankind at creation *Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3 and that Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath day (the Lord's day) *Matthew 12:8. Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 are warnings to God's people to believe and follow Gods' Word and that the gospel is the Word of God we are to believe and follow and those who do not believe and follow God's Word do not enter into Gods' rest which is defined in Hebrews 4:1-5 as the seventh day Sabbath. "Therefore" we are told it remains for the people of God (those who have entered into God's rest by believing Gods' Word the gospel) to keep the Sabbath in Hebrews 4:9.

In Hebrews 4:1-13, the writer of Hebrews is not warning NT Hebrews about unbelief in the Sabbath-rest (Heb 4:1).

Agreed, the new testament writer of Hebrews is warning us that if we do not believe and follow God's Word (the gospel) and we continue in sin and unbelief (Hebrews 3:10-13; 18-19) we will never enter into God's rest (His Rest/My Rest) which is defined as the "seventh day" Sabbath rest in Hebrews 4:1-5. Hebrews 4:3-5 defines God's rest by saying [3], For we which have believed do enter into rest (our rest from or the gospel rest of believing and following God's Word), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest (God's rest): although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. [4], For he spoke in a certain place of the "seventh day" on this wise, And God did rest the "seventh day" from all his works. [5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest ("seventh day").

They're Hebrews! You're not taking into account all the references to failure to enter Canaan (3:7-11, 15-18, 4:1, 11), to disobedience (3:16, 18, 4:6, 11) and to unbelief (3:12, 19, 4:2), which have nothing to do with the Sabbath commandment, as well as not taking into account that Heb 4:1-13 is speaking of a full-time Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4:3b-4), not just a weekly Sabbath rest. Your explanation of Heb 4:1-13 must be in the light of all these. So what is the warning of unbelief and failure to enter into God's full-time (Heb 4:3-4) Sabbath-rest about? It's about their considering a return to their OT religion because of persecution by the Jews and threats by their families to disinherit them. The writer warns them that returning to their OT religion will be refusal to enter God's full-time (Hebrews 4:3-4) NT Sabbath-rest because of unbelief, just as their ancestors did at Canaan when they refused to enter God's full-time OT Sabbath-rest from their enemies because of unbelief. And that NT full-time Sabbath-rest of God is salvation rest in Jesus Christ's finished work to save, and rest from our own work to save, entered only by belief (Hebrews 4:1, 6, 11).

This has already been dealt with in the previous sections. Weather they are Hebrews or not is not relevant as all scripture is given for our admonition upon who the ends of the world have come and all scripture is for God's people who believe and follow Gods' Word *1 Corinthians 10:11; 2 Timothy 3:16. The reason as shown earlier why God's people in the wilderness did not enter into God's rest defined as Gods' seventh day Sabbath in Hebrews 4:3-4 was because of sin and unbelief in God's Word. This is a warning for all of Gods' people today. If you hear His voice harden not your heart as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness *Hebrews 3:8; 10-13; 17-19. Your not taking into account all the scripture that is being provided in Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4. There are two rests being described. One is our rest we receive through believing and following God's Word (the gospel) *Matthew 11:28-30; Hebrews 4:2-3 and God's rest *Hebrews 3:11; 18; Hebrews 4:1; 3; 5-6; 8-9; 10-11. Hebrews 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH. Why? Because the true seventh day Sabbath rest is a sign of God's true people who God sanctifies to keep all the commandments of God through faith in God's Word *Exodus 31:13; Exodus 31:17; Ezekiel 20:12; Ezekiel 20:20; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 22:14. Your explanation of Hebrews 4 must be in light of all the scriptures provided in Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 which you have not done.

As well as warns us what not to do in failing to enter God's full-time Sabbath-rest in the NT through belief in the salvation-rest of Jesus Christ from our own work to save, and rest in his finished work which saves.

As posted earlier Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 are warnings to us today that we do not enter Gods "seventh day" Sabbath rest if we do not believe and follow Gods' Word (the gospel rest). These scriptures are in regards to believing and following Gods' Word through faith. Not working for our salvation *Ephesians 2:8-9. Our rest is in believing and following Gods' Word. If we do not believe and follow God's Word we do not enter into Gods rest (the seventh day Sabbath) *Hebrews 4:3-4.

He is more than just example, he is the NT fulfillment of God's full-time Sabbath rest from his works, in Jesus' full-time salvation rest from our own works to save.

No! There is no scripture that says Jesus is a Sabbath. Jesus is the creator of the Sabbath (Lord) that he made as a Holy day of rest according to Mark 2:27-28 for all mankind. The only definition of what the Sabbath is in scripture is this one. Exodus 20:10 But the "seventh day is the sabbath" of the LORD your God. Your reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say and do not teach. Ok we might stop here as the rest of your post is repetition and has already been addressed here. If you disagree please address this post. If not you do not have to but if you respond please do not simply deny and repeat yourself and what you have already posted what has already been addressed here through the scriptures. If you disagree address the post here and the scriptures provided that disagree with you. If you cannot we will of course agree to disagree again as repetition does not lead to discussion and edification through sharing the scriptures. These scriptures have only been shared in love and friendship. My prayer is that you might consider them and be blessed.

Hope this is helpful.

 

[Clare73]

But Not in the Bible

Feel free to address post #715, Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?, demonstrating your assertion.

 

[Clare73]

What was it that you addressed exactly? I am still trying to work that out. Hebrews 4 actually supports the seventh day Sabbath it does not abolish it like you try and teach but allow me to show from the scriptures why I say this in friendly discussion. This one is to address what you have posted in post 715 to someone else so please forgive me for posting but my post is only meant to be helpful here.

Your response here...

Many people make the same mistake thinking that it is only the 10 commandments that were the old covenant yet this is not biblical as can be shown in both the old covenant scriptures and the new covenant scripture. They do this to try and argue that God's 10 commandments they claim have been abolished in the new covenant despite the apparent contradictions of Jesus and all the Apostles teachings that God's 10 commandments are still a part of the new covenant teachings (e.g. Matthew 5:17-19; Mark 10:17-21; Matthew 22:36-40; Mark 2:27-28; Matthew 12:1-12; John 14:15; John 15:10; Romans 13:8-10; Romans 3:31; Romans 8:4; Galatians 5:16; 1 Corinthians 7:19; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; Romans 2:12-13; Romans 7:12; Galatians 3:22-25 - too many, more scriptures here) and everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new testament (scripture support here). So having an interpretation that God's 10 commandments is all there was to the old covenant is in contradiction to what is written in the new covenant scriptures as shown in the new covenant scriptures above where everyone of God's commandments are repeated as a requirement for Christian living.

Agreed, the old covenant was kept in the Ark (house) of the covenant, yet the scriptures you provide here do not define what the covenant is. They are just scriptures in regards to the Ark. So let's take a step back as you are only telling half the story here. We agree that the old covenant (Mosaic covenant) included God's 10 commandments as shown in Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13 yet according to the scriptures this was not all there was to the old covenant which also included the book of the covenant shown in EXODUS 24:7 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient. This was the other half of the old covenant which included all the laws for remission of sins, the Levitical Priesthood, animal sacrifices for sin offerings and the ceremonial laws of the earthly Sanctuary. As was shown through the scriptures posted in the previous section God's 10 commandments are still a part of the new covenant. It is the "shadow laws" for remission of sins from the Mosaic book of the covenant that are now fulfilled in the new covenant based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6; Hebrews 9:1-12; Hebrews 10:1-17. As shown through the scriptures both God's 10 commandments as well as the Mosaic BOOK of the covenant were kept in the Ark of the covenant. God's 10 commandment were placed inside the Ark of the covenant underneath the mercy seat *Exodus 25:16-17; Deuteronomy 10:1-5 while the book of the covenant *Exodus 24:7 was placed in the side of the Ark *Deuteronomy 31:24-26. So the full story here is that both God's 10 commandments as well as the Mosaic book of the law (Exodus 24:7; Deuteronomy 28:61; 29:21; 30:10; 31:24-26; Josiah 1:8; 8:31-34; 23:6; 24:26; 2 Kings 14:6; 22:8-11; 23:24; 2 Chronicles 17:9; 25:4; 34:14-15; Nehemiah 8:1-8;18; 9:3; Galatians 3:10; Hebrews 9:19; Hebrews 10:7 etc). So as shown from the scriptures the old covenant included both the 10 commandments and the Mosaic book of the law which included the shadow laws of remission of sins that pointed to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the new covenant based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6. Hebrews 10:1-17; Psalms 40:7, Then said I, See, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me Hebrews 10:7, Then said I, See, I come in the volume of the book it is written of me, to do your will, O God. It is the volume of the book that pointed to Jesus that is fulfilled in the new covenant based on better promises not God's 10 commandments.

Wrong. Jesus kept the Sabbath and taught us how to correctly keep the Sabbath *Matthew 12:1-12 where he also taught us that the Sabbath was made for mankind at creation *Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3 and that Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath day (the Lord's day) *Matthew 12:8. Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 are warnings to God's people to believe and follow Gods' Word and that the gospel is the Word of God we are to believe and follow and those who do not believe and follow God's Word do not enter into Gods' rest which is defined in Hebrews 4:1-5 as the seventh day Sabbath. "Therefore" we are told it remains for the people of God (those who have entered into God's rest by believing Gods' Word the gospel) to keep the Sabbath in Hebrews 4:9.

Agreed, the new testament writer of Hebrews is warning us that if we do not believe and follow God's Word (the gospel) and we continue in sin and unbelief (Hebrews 3:10-13; 18-19) we will never enter into God's rest (His Rest/My Rest) which is defined as the "seventh day" Sabbath rest in Hebrews 4:1-5. Hebrews 4:3-5 defines God's rest by saying [3], For we which have believed do enter into rest (our rest from or the gospel rest of believing and following God's Word), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest (God's rest): although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. [4], For he spoke in a certain place of the "seventh day" on this wise, And God did rest the "seventh day" from all his works. [5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest ("seventh day").

This has already been dealt with in the previous sections. Weather they are Hebrews or not is not relevant as all scripture is given for our admonition upon who the ends of the world have come and all scripture is for God's people who believe and follow Gods' Word *1 Corinthians 10:11; 2 Timothy 3:16. The reason as shown earlier why God's people in the wilderness did not enter into God's rest defined as Gods' seventh day Sabbath in Hebrews 4:3-4 was because of sin and unbelief in God's Word. This is a warning for all of Gods' people today. If you hear His voice harden not your heart as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness *Hebrews 3:8; 10-13; 17-19. Your not taking into account all the scripture that is being provided in Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4. There are two rests being described. One is our rest we receive through believing and following God's Word (the gospel) *Matthew 11:28-30; Hebrews 4:2-3 and God's rest *Hebrews 3:11; 18; Hebrews 4:1; 3; 5-6; 8-9; 10-11. Hebrews 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH. Why? Because the true seventh day Sabbath rest is a sign of God's true people who God sanctifies to keep all the commandments of God through faith in God's Word *Exodus 31:13; Exodus 31:17; Ezekiel 20:12; Ezekiel 20:20; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 22:14. Your explanation of Hebrews 4 must be in light of all the scriptures provided in Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 which you have not done.

As posted earlier Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 are warnings to us today that we do not enter Gods "seventh day" Sabbath rest if we do not believe and follow Gods' Word (the gospel rest). These scriptures are in regards to believing and following Gods' Word through faith. Not working for our salvation *Ephesians 2:8-9. Our rest is in believing and following Gods' Word. If we do not believe and follow God's Word we do not enter into Gods rest (the seventh day Sabbath) *Hebrews 4:3-4.

No! There is no scripture that says Jesus is a Sabbath. Jesus is the creator of the Sabbath (Lord) that he made as a Holy day of rest according to Mark 2:27-28 for all mankind. The only definition of what the Sabbath is in scripture is this one. Exodus 20:10 But the "seventh day is the sabbath" of the LORD your God. Your reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say and do not teach. Ok we might stop here as the rest of your post is repetition and has already been addressed here. If you disagree please address this post. If not you do not have to but if you respond please do not simply deny and repeat what has already been addressed here through the scriptures (deny rinse and repeat). If you disagree address the post here and the scriptures provided that disagree with you. If you cannot we will of course agree to disagree again as repetition does not lead to discussion and edification
through sharing the scriptures.

You must exegete Heb 3:7-4:13, demonstrating the meaning I have presented is incorrect in post #715, Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

This you have not done.
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[Leaf473]

Actually the Mosaic Covenant is not based on the ceremonial laws (sacrifices, etc.).

The Mosaic Covenant was ratified in Exodus 24:3-8, before the ceremonial laws of Leviticus were given.


According to Hebrews 4:1-13, the Christian rests full-time in God's full-time Sabbath-rest in the salvation-rest of Jesus, where we rest from our own work to save, and in Jesus' finished work that saved us.

According to Hebrews 4:1-13, Jesus is the fulfillment of God's full-time Sabbath rest, who was prefigured in the full-time rest from their enemies in Canaan, just as he is the fulfillment of the sacrifices, cleansings, feast days, holy years, tabernacle, priesthood and mediator/lawgiver.
"Lifestyle" is a good way to describe Commandments 5-10.

Oops! This wasn't addressed to me. . .oh, well, it's still God's revelation anyway.

I agree that there are some passages in the scriptures that indicate that the old covenant was based just on the ten commandments. But I think there's other passages that indicate that it's based on many more commandments.

I attribute the difference to books like Exodus probably being the writings of more than one author, possibly compiled into its present form during the Babylonian captivity.

I agree that the vast majority of Christians observe God's rest on every day of the week.
How about if I reword it this way,
"Would you agree that the majority of Christians do not refrain from physical labor such as mowing the lawn or running the sweeper/hoovering on Saturday?"

Certainly there's going to be a lot of overlap between the 10 commandments and what is written on our hearts.

But there will also be some differences, imo.

Most Christians agree that being proud is not God's way. But that's not one of the 10.

Most agree that God wants us to hold the Bible in high regard.
Meet together frequently with other believers.
Again, not in the 10.

So I think what God writes on our heart is ideas, approaches, a lifestyle. There's going to be a lot of overlap with the 10 commandments and other laws given through Moses, but I don't think God writes a set of words, He gives a spirit.

 

[Nathan@work]

Does anyone think it is possible to know what the Ten Commandments mean?

If you do, could you list them and explain what each one means and why God gave it?

Thanks.

 

[Clare73]

But Not in the Bible

Exegete Heb 3:7-4:13.

 

[Clare73]

I agree that there are some passages in the scriptures that indicate that the old covenant was based just on the ten commandments. But I think there's other passages that indicate that it's based on many more commandments.

I attribute the difference to books like Exodus probably being the writings of more than one author, possibly compiled into its present form during the Babylonian captivity.

I agree that the vast majority of Christians observe God's rest on every day of the week.
How about if I reword it this way,
"Would you agree that the majority of Christians do not refrain from physical labor such as mowing the lawn or running the sweeper/hoovering on Saturday?"

The Sabbath-rest of the Christian is in Jesus Christ, it is not from physical work.
It is rest from the spiritual work of trying to earn God's favor.

Certainly there's going to be a lot of overlap between the 10 commandments and what is written on our hearts.
But there will also be some differences, imo.
Most Christians agree that
being proud is not God's way. But that's not one of the 10.

The Decalogue relates to God and neighbor.

Most agree that God wants us to hold the Bible in high regard.
Meet together frequently with other believers.
Again, not in the 10.

So I think what God writes on our heart is ideas, approaches, a lifestyle. There's going to be a lot of overlap with the 10 commandments and other laws given through Moses, but
I don't think God writes a set of words, He gives a spirit.

Agreed.

He gives the Spirit, the source of it all.

 

[Clare73]

Does anyone think it is possible to know what the Ten Commandments mean?

If you do, could you list them and explain what each one means and why God gave it?

Thanks.

You think God gave us a set of laws we cannot understand?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The Sabbath-rest of the Christian is in Jesus Christ, it is not from physical work.
It is rest from the spiritual work of trying to earn God's favor.

Certainly there's going to be a lot of overlap between the 10 commandments and what is written on our hearts.

But there will also be some differences, imo.

Most Christians agree that being proud is not God's way. But that's not one of the 10.

Interesting, but God defined that the Sabbath is a command- Exodus 20:8 Remember to keep My Sabbath Holy and than God defined how to keep the Sabbath Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

There is not a commandment to Jesus to give us rest. This is your own interpretation of God’s commandments and we are told Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding;

God gave His perfect will of the 10 commandments that is now written in our hearts and it is everlasting Psalms 89:34 My covenant I will not break, Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

 

[Nathan@work]

You think God gave us a set of laws we cannot understand?

No

 

[Clare73]

The Decalogue relates to God and neighbor.

Most agree that God wants us to hold the Bible in high regard.
Meet together frequently with other believers.
Again, not in the 10.

So I think what God writes on our heart is ideas, approaches, a lifestyle. There's going to be a lot of overlap with the 10 commandments and other laws given through Moses, but I don't think God writes a set of words, He gives a spirit.

The Decalogue is basic moral code, plus worship of God.
Those are in the heart of the born again.

Interesting, but God defined that the Sabbath is a command- Exodus 20:8 Remember to keep My Sabbath Holy and than God defined how to keep the Sabbath Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

There is not a commandment to Jesus to give us rest. This is your own interpretation of God’s commandments and we are told Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding;

There are people who are religious and than there are people who are servants to God. God gave His perfect will on the 10 commandments that is now written in our hearts that is everlasting

Psalms 89:34 My covenant I will not break, Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

The Mosaic Covenant has been broken by the people (Jeremiah 11:10).

To understand that correctly, you must account for all the altering between the sacrificial laws and their removal, the change of the priesthood, the lawgiver and the mediator, etc.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Does anyone think it is possible to know what the Ten Commandments mean?

If you do, could you list them and explain what each one means and why God gave it?

Thanks.

Yes @LoveGodsWord has a very detailed response to this so instead of rewriting, hopefully he will share.

 

[Clare73]

No

Thank heavens!

 

[Nathan@work]

There are people who are religious and than there are people who are servants of God. God gave His perfect will on the 10 commandments that is now written in our hearts and it is everlasting Psalms 89:34 My covenant I will not break, Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

There are people who are neither also.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The Decalogue is basic moral code, plus worship of God.
Those are in the heart of the born again.

To understand that correctly, you must account for all the altering between the sacrificial laws and their removal, the change of the priesthood, the lawgiver and the mediator, etc.[/QUOTE]

The Ten are not ceremonial laws, the are God's eternal laws. It will also be a sin to worship other gods, lie and not keep God's Sabbath Holy along with the other 7 commandments.