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Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by SabbathBlessings, Feb 27, 2021.

  1. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    We are removing God's laws....so we think. People are attending church less and less.

    But God has played the end game already.


    Romans 13:1
    Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
     
  2. HIM

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    If it is not of the faith it is sin. A doubleminded man is unstable in all His ways. Have Faith. With man this impossible, but with God all things are possible.
    For we are dead nevertheless we live yet not us Christ liveth in us and the life we now live in the flesh we live by the FAITH OF the Son of God who gave himself for us. For it is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. In this He has given all things that pertain to life and godliness. For it is certain that in Him we live, move and have our being. Through Him we are more than conquerors.
     
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  3. Leaf473

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    Do you mean that the old covenant is to be written in our hearts?
     
  4. Leaf473

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    Are you thinking the ten commandments here, that is what is written on our hearts in the new covenant?

    I don't think so, here's why

    What does it take to be part of the new covenant? I assume it is based on believing that Jesus is the Christ, that he rose from the dead, things like that.

    But if we look at all the people in the world and throughout history that believed that, many of them don't show that the fourth commandment is written on their hearts, or at least observing it as a Saturday special day.
     
  5. HIM

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    Not on Tables of Stone or on Parchment even then but on the fleshly tables of the heart.
    For the commandment to hearken unto the voice of the Lord our God. To keep His commandments and statutes that are written in the Book of the Law. This Word is very nigh thee. In thy heart and in thy mouth that thou mayest do it.


    Deut 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
    Deut 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
    Deut 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
    Deut 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
    Deut 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
     
  6. Leaf473

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    All the laws that God spoke through moses? Or just the 10 commandments?
     
  7. HIM

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    The Apostles kept the Sabbath.
     
  8. HIM

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    What does it say. While you are reading it
    Notice the judgments are not included in those that God said were nigh unto them Deut 30.
     
  9. Leaf473

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    I'm not sure that the apostles kept the sabbath, they may have gone into synagogues on the Sabbath to teach, because that's where you found people talking about God.

    The early church was in transition, wasn't it? Those people that converted on that first day of Pentecost, did they immediately know that after pregnancy a person didn't have to offer a pigeon or other animal sacrifice? Probably not.

    The apostles were all Jewish. I have a wonderful Christian brother who is Jewish who in addition to going to church on Sunday goes to the local synagogue on Friday evening.
     
  10. Leaf473

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    I believe it says to keep all the laws, implying all the laws given through Moses in the wilderness. Is that what you believe it means? Or do you believe it means all commandments given by God throughout all time?
     
  11. Clare73

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    Well, it was the Ark of the Covenant (Nu 10:33), the Ark of the Testimony (Ex 25:16).

    The stone tablets were testimony to the covenant conditions: to be their God was conditioned on obedience to the Ten Commandments (Exodus 19:5; Jeremiah 11:4-5, 7:23; Lev 26:3 w/12;
    Hos 1:8-9).

    The stone tablets were also testimony to their sin in breaking the commandments (Deuteronomy 31:26).

    There were other testimonies in the Ark (Hebrews 9:4):
    jar of manna - testimony to their grumbling (Ex 16:2-4, 33) and
    Aaron's staff - testimony to Korah's rebellion against the priesthood (Nu 16:1-3, 17:10).
     
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  12. Clare73

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    The Mosaic Covenant of works was temporarily added (Galatians 4:19) to the Abrahamic covenant (Genesis 15:4-5) of faith/grace (Genesis 15:6), until the time of the New Covenant of faith/grace made in the blood of Jesus Christ (Hebrews 8:7-13).

    With the New Covenant change of priesthood, necessitating a change of law (Hebrews 7:12), and change of Covenant Mediator, the Old (Mosiac) Covenant is now obsolete (Hebrews 8:13).
     
  13. Clare73

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    Not really. . .

    The Old (Mosaic) Covenant was bilateral, conditioned on man's obedience, and could be abrogated by man's breaking it, which it was.

    The New Covenant is unilateral, entered into by faith in the person and finished work of Jesus Christ for remission of one's sin, is not subject to abrogation, nor to one falling out of it.
     
  14. Clare73

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    So we agree that "God's Word in its entirety" is not written on our hearts.
     
  15. SabbathBlessings

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    The new covenant says in Hebrew 8:13 God says His laws are written in our hearts and minds, which laws is He referring to and can you provide that scripture?
     
  16. Leaf473

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    I've been asking this same question on this thread! I'm with you, I think the answer is critical!

    I think the things written on our hearts are things like love God and love those around us.

    I suppose you could expand it to the fruit of the Spirit, it looks to me like it all fits together. And we can see right off that the works of the flesh are wrong.

    A particular scripture? I can't think of one that says this. Do you know of one?
     
  17. Clare73

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    God is referring to the Covenant conditions--the Ten Commandments.

    The laws that were based on the priesthood's administration [Hebrews 7:11--on the basis of (under) the priesthood, the law was given to the people] have been changed (Hebrews 7:12), made obsolete with the Mosaic Covenant (Hebrews 8:13).

    The Ten Commandments given on Mt. Sinai are not based on the priesthood administering them, they remain (the fourth being observed by Sabbath-rest in Jesus Christ's finished work), are written on our hearts, causing us to fulfill them in Christ's two commands (Matthew 22:37-40; Romans 13:8-10).
     
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  18. Clare73

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    See post #977, above. :)
     
  19. SabbathBlessings

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    The first covenant God wrote is found in Exodus 20. The Second Covenant He writes the same laws in Hebrew 8:13 but is in our hearts and minds. The same laws, the Ten, each one is still very applicable (its still a sin to lie, vain His name, murder etc.) the New Covenant has the same laws but different promises. God’s laws magnified, not destroyed.
     
  20. Leaf473

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    I can agree that the general thrust of nine of the 10 commandments are written on our hearts.

    When it comes to the fourth commandment, the thing for me is, I don't see when people become new Christians that they start having this real desire to worship on Saturday.

    They will worship on saturday, if that's what they have been told or have read from a source they trust. But that's something external, not something written on their hearts.

    Of course, they will also worship on Sunday if that's what they've been told.
     
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