Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

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This may be long, but it just cannot be broken down any further without losing its truth.


Isaiah 66:23 should not be taken without verse 22 and 24. They all go together.

[Isa 66:22-24 ESV]

"For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make shall remain before me, says the LORD, so shall your offspring and your name remain. From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the LORD. "And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh."


When you read it all, in its context, you see that this is a description of what we refer to as "eternity".

It is not talking about literal new moon's, literal Sabbath's, or literal dead bodies.

Those are all a reference to time.

There will not be a need for a weekly(or any other) Sabbath.

The Sabbath was given to man because of the pain he would endure living his life.

[Gen 3:17-19 ESV]

And to Adam he said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, 'You shall not eat of it,' cursed is the ground because of you; in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life; thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you; and you shall eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return."


Mankind needed a Sabbath because of this result of sin. However.......

[Rev 21:1-4 ESV]

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away."


The old pain and agony of 'life' will be no more. There will not be a need for physical rest(Sabbath), we will be in eternal rest......we are in eternal rest.....

Hallelujah!
 
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Exodus 32:15-16, NET v2.1, "Moses turned and went down from the mountain with the two tablets of the testimony in his hands. The tablets were written on both sides—they were written on the front and on the back. Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, engraved on the tablets.

Exodus 34:1, "The Lord said to Moses, “Cut out two tablets of stone like the first, and I will write on the tablets the words that were on the first tablets, which you smashed.

It seems that both sets were identical and both were written by God.

There is a difference between "identical" and "like".

But yes, both were written by God.
 
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Hi again, @imge

You (or anyone) are also welcome to respond to this post, if you wish. It's kind of a follow-up, getting back to the idea of what standard is used to decide if a law is a moral law.
God's eternal moral laws gives us knowledge of what sin is Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. Its the whole duty of man. Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

The definition of moral is concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character which exactly fits each of God's 10 commandments.

The definition of moral law is a general rule of right living.

Hope this help. God bless. :)
 
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Yes, I agree that God wrote the same thing both times.

But, the record that we have of what he wrote, is that the record in Exodus or in Deuteronomy?
God spoke and wrote Exodus 20, Moses spoke in Deuteronomy repeating from Exodus 20 but both are virtually the same.
 
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God's eternal moral laws gives us knowledge of what sin is Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. Its the whole duty of man. Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

The definition of moral is concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character which exactly fits each of God's 10 commandments.

The definition of moral law is a general rule of right living.

Hope this help. God bless. :)
Are there other laws in the law of Moses that are also moral laws?

I mentioned leverate marriage earlier, it looks to me like it also would be an instruction about the right way to live.
 
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God spoke and wrote Exodus 20, Moses spoke in Deuteronomy repeating from Exodus 20 but both are virtually the same.
I think the reasons given for keeping the Sabbath are very different in the two accounts. Perhaps the part in Exodus that talks about God creating the world in six days and resting on the Seventh was an editorial addition?
 
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So @imge, what are your thoughts on why God had Moses cut the tablets and put them in the Ark the second time around?
I think the more significant part is what is written and that God wrote it with His own hand. Why do you think it makes a difference who cut the tablets?
 
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I think the reasons given for keeping the Sabbath are very different in the two accounts. Perhaps the part in Exodus that talks about God creating the world in six days and resting on the Seventh was an editorial addition?
They both mean the same thing:

Exodus 20

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.


Deuteronomy 5

12: Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy,
as the Lord your God commanded you.
13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.
 
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I think the more significant part is what is written and that God wrote it with His own hand. Why do you think it makes a difference who cut the tablets?

Well, I do not think anything was written down just 'because'. Meaning, Moses, when he recorded the events that took place, made a specific distinction between what happened the first time God wrote on the tablets and what happened the second time.

Sometimes we become so focused(as humans are known to do) on one thing we cannot see the things around what we are focused on.

Yes, it is awesome to know that God wrote on the tablets with His own hand. But it is also awesome to know that God has eternity laid out before Him and uses the events in time to show us things.

He knew that Moses would break those first tablets.
 
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Well, I do not think anything was written down just 'because'. Meaning, Moses, when he recorded the events that took place, made a specific distinction between what happened the first time God wrote on the tablets and what happened the second time.

Sometimes we become so focused(as humans are known to do) on one thing we cannot see the things around what we are focused on.

Yes, it is awesome to know that God wrote on the tablets with His own hand. But it is also awesome to know that God has eternity laid out before Him and uses the events in time to show us things.

He knew that Moses would break those first tablets.
Who said anything about it being written down just 'because'? Did you get that from my reply?

What is your take on why Moses gathered the stone so God could write on it?
 
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Who said anything about it being written down just 'because'? Did you get that from my reply?

What is your take on why Moses gathered the stone so God could write on it?

No, I did not take that from your reply. I was just making it clear why I believe it makes a difference who cut the tablets. :)

Moses cut the new stones because once you break something that is perfect, you cannot make that thing perfect again.

Take a ceramic coffee mug and throw it on the ground. It will break into pieces. You can gather up all those pieces, glue them all back together, but you will never have the perfect mug that it was before.

Moses broke what God's commandments were written on. It was a sign. A statement.

God then wrote His commandments again on stones that the imperfect Moses cut.

God was showing Moses, and all of us, that it is impossible to keep the perfect law of God.

Now, think about why God had Moses put them in the Ark - when He did not have Moses do that before. :)
 
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No, I did not take that from your reply. I was just making it clear why I believe it makes a difference who cut the tablets. :)

Moses cut the new stones because once you break something that is perfect, you cannot make that thing perfect again.

Take a ceramic coffee mug and throw it on the ground. It will break into pieces. You can gather up all those pieces, glue them all back together, but you will never have the perfect mug that it was before.

Moses broke what God's commandments were written on. It was a sign. A statement.

God then wrote His commandments again on stones that the imperfect Moses cut.

God was showing Moses, and all of us, that it is impossible to keep the perfect law of God.

Now, think about why God had Moses put them in the Ark - when He did not have Moses do that before. :)
Is that your way of saying since we can't keep the law why try? I'm not trying to be flippant I am really curious.
 
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Is that your way of saying since we can't keep the law why try? I'm not trying to be flippant I am really curious.

No, not at all. There is a deeper meaning to it.

Had God instructed Moses to put the tablets in the Ark, to begin with, they would not have been broken the first time.
 
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No, not at all. There is a deeper meaning to it.

Had God instructed Moses to put the tablets in the Ark, to begin with, they would not have been broken the first time.
He didn't have the covenant that long, remember he came down the hill to discover while he was away most of the Israelites had made idols etc.
 
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He didn't have the covenant that long, remember he came down the hill to discover while he was away most of the Israelites had made idols etc.

Right, so if they had been in the Ark then they would not have been broken.
 
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They both mean the same thing:

Exodus 20

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.


Deuteronomy 5

12: Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy,
as the Lord your God commanded you.
13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.
Deuteronomy doesn't mention the six days of creation, it talks about being slaves in Egypt.
 
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Deuteronomy doesn't mention the six days of creation, it talks about being slaves in Egypt.
It's about the Sabbath commandment and that it is the Holy day. We learn about the six days of creation in Genesis 1 and God repeated that He is the creator of all things when He spoke/wrote it in Exodus. The fact Moses left it out when he repeated what God said I don't think it changes what the Sabbath commandment is about. Do you?
 
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Right, so if they had been in the Ark then they would not have been broken.
Interesting point. I imagine if the first covenant wasn't broken it would of been placed in the ark too, I would imagine that was God's plan along to have an earthly sanctuary with His covenant.
 
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Interesting point. I imagine if the first covenant wasn't broken it would of been placed in the ark too, I would imagine that was God's plan along to have an earthly sanctuary with His covenant.

I think it goes deeper than that. We know what the Ark is, so it brings an awareness that God had Moses put the tablets in there - precisely because he broke the first set.

Inside the Ark, they would remain unbroken.
 
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