Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

[SabbathBlessings]

Exactly!

I think Jesus healed the woman on the Sabbath because he had compassion on her.

In the same way, if my neighbor comes to me on the Sabbath and asks for help with her fence, I have compassion on her (hopefully ) and help her on the Sabbath.

Now, are you ready to move on to the subject of doing our work for six days a week and God's work on the Seventh?

You should read and find Jesus answer to the Pharisee. I do think you're missing the point.

 

[Leaf473]

Trees in bible
Psalm 1:2-3 "And in His law he meditates day and night. He will be like a tree firmly planted by streams of water, Which yields its fruit in its season And its leaf does not wither;And in whatever he does, he prospers.
Proverbs 11:30 "The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, And he who is wise wins souls.
Luke 6:43 "No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit."

Ancient interpretation - trees are like people who form society. Pillars of the community are righteous people.
My interpretation (modern) - trees are decision trees - procedural flowcharts . What you decide and the axioms by which you judge right and wrong will produce a final conclusions (fruit).

A prophet is a Divinely inspired individual who reveals. Jesus is the only begotten son of God. He is greater than the angels and in the beginning he was with God. Christians reveal the teachings of Christ. They are essentially prophets. (After Christ, I contend that there are no prophets like the OT)

In physics there is a law - Second law of Thermodynamics. If you violate it , then it can be concluded that the process is essentially not possible. Similarly, if the actions violates the Law, the actions is not pleasing in the eyes of the Lord (His Rules His Punishments). It cannot be good.

By saying that self-identification as a christian is a sufficient and necessary condition for salvation is blatantly incorrect. The actions of a self professed christian must meet the standards of the Law or it can be concluded he/she is false or sinning. The criterion, the Law, must be imposed/constraining the result or as Aliester Crowley (satanist) says "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law".

If I judge/act based on decision trees based on the Divine inspired Law, I will likely produce a good decision/result (fruit).

Why the Law? Why tree is a spiritual analogy ? The bible is all about the Law and history. If it is a genetic tree (history), then this verse is not applicable to gentiles (only jews). To be universal, it must be the Law as the Law is applicable to Jews (by Moses) and Christians(by Jesus). It must be the Law - a spiritual analogy.

"...if the actions violates the Law, the actions is not pleasing in the eyes of the Lord (His Rules His Punishments). It cannot be good."

Hi Chi.C,

Say, what is your understanding of the idea that the priests in the temple were commanded by God to profane the Sabbath?

 

[Leaf473]

You should read and find Jesus answer to the Pharisee. I do think you're missing the point.

As I understand it, Jesus' answer when asked that question (and sometimes he asks it of them ) boils down to it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.

What do you believe his answer is?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

As I understand it, Jesus' answer when asked that question (and sometimes he asks it of them ) boils down to it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.

What do you believe his answer is?

He was helping the sick, not working on fences.

 

[Leaf473]

He was helping the sick, not working on fences.

True!

Is there something in the law that says certain kinds of work are okay on the sabbath? I'm not aware of that, but maybe I missed something?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

True!

Is there something in the law that says certain kinds of work are okay on the sabbath? I'm not aware of that, but maybe I missed something?

I think you are missing the spirit of the Sabbath and the way it was intended. We could use the excuse all day to do good on things want to do like helping my friend pick out a dress at the store, or letting my kids have fun at the carnival, helping my neighbor paint his house, he helping me paint mine you can come up with a 101 reasons but than you are not making the day about God or keeping it Holy.

Like I said previously, you will understand Sabbath, how Spiritual it is between you and God once you start keeping it and want to keep it because you love God and want to obey Him.

 

[Nathan@work]

I think you are missing the spirit of the Sabbath and the way it was intended. We could use the excuse all day to do good on things want to do like helping my friend pick out a dress at the store, or letting my kids have fun at the carnival, helping my neighbor paint his house, he helping me paint mine you can come up with a 101 reasons but than you are not making the day about God or keeping it Holy.

Like I said previously, you will understand Sabbath, how Spiritual it is between you and God once you start keeping it and want to keep it because you love God and want to obey Him.

I wanted to comment here.

The command says to keep the day holy, but when you really think about that it is impossible. Only God is holy, and only He can keep something holy.

I think this is one of those times when the meaning of a word really matters. The command is to "remember the Sabbath" - and in doing so this will keep it holy in our hearts. Not that we keep it holy, no more than we can keep God holy, but by remembering each week we never forget who God is and what He has done.

 

[Chi.C]

bye

 

[Leaf473]

I think you are missing the spirit of the Sabbath and the way it was intended. We could use the excuse all day to do good on things want to do like helping my friend pick out a dress at the store, or letting my kids have fun at the carnival, helping my neighbor paint his house, he helping me paint mine you can come up with a 101 reasons but than you are not making the day about God or keeping it Holy.

Like I said previously, you will understand Sabbath, how Spiritual it is between you and God once you start keeping it and want to keep it because you love God and want to obey Him.

But I do want to keep the Sabbath and obey God the way he intended the Sabbath to be kept.

When we start talking about the spirit of the Sabbath and God's intentions, at that point it sounds to me like we are reading between the lines or being led by the Spirit, things like that.

I think this is why the scriptures talk about one person will regard one day above another, and another person will regard all days alike.

I can understand that the Spirit may lead you to refrain from helping your neighbor fix her fence on the Sabbath.

Do you accept the possibility that the Spirit may lead me to fix her fence on any day of the week?

Great discussion by the way, peace be with you!

 

[Chi.C]

bye

 

[Davy]

Like Apostle Paul taught in 1 Timothy 1, the law was not made for the righteous, but for the sinner.

Is there anyone here that no longer sins? If anyone says they don't sin anymore, even after having believed on Lord Jesus and been baptized, then Apostle John says those lie and deceive theirselves, and the truth is not in them (1 John 1).

It is true The Holy Spirit is now our Guide in following God's law under the New Covenant. But even when we are in step with The Holy Spirit God's law must still be administered for the ungodly. This duty was specifically ordained to the tribe of Judah per God's Word (Genesis 49:10), and that duty is not going to go away until Jesus returns.

Thus there should never be any argument in Christian society that tries to do away with God's laws. His law is what He gave His people to help govern society with. So the matter is a whole lot more than just a personal opinion on how we each may think God's law applies in our personal lives. Those trying to tear down God's laws today show their attempt to create lawlessness against God.

 

[Leaf473]

Hello Leaf473,
From your entries, I get the impression you do not worship on saturdays. Your defense of worshipping on sunday began to look like an attack on Sabbath keeping on saturdays. Blasphemy of the Spirit is basically calling what is good bad and what is bad good. I recommend you don't go there.

If I was mistaken, please accept my apologies. Carry on.

Well, I worship every day of the week.

I attack Sabbath keeping only when I perceive it to be something raised up against the knowledge of Christ.

Peace!

 

[Leaf473]

You have to be more specific. I don't recollect reading such passage.

We can find the story here

Matthew 12:5 Or have you not read in the law, that on the Sabbath day, the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are guiltless?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I wanted to comment here.

The command says to keep the day holy, but when you really think about that it is impossible. Only God is holy, and only He can keep something holy.

I think this is one of those times when the meaning of a word really matters. The command is to "remember the Sabbath" - and in doing so this will keep it holy in our hearts. Not that we keep it holy, no more than we can keep God holy, but by remembering each week we never forget who God is and what He has done.

It's good to understand the 4th commandment is just that. A commandment. It's no different than any other commandment. A commandment means it is something we are supposed to do. God would not give us a commandment if it was something impossible to do.

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

I don't know this sounds pretty clear and concise to me. I think God added the word "Remember" for just that reason. He wants us to remember each and every seventh day to keep it holy. What is being taught today by most churches is that the only commandment we are supposed to "forget" is the one God who is all knowing said to REMEMBER- do you think that is not a coincidence?

Yes, only God is Holy, but don't you think studying His word keeps us Holy? God said He sanctifies us through His Sabbath Ezekiel 20:12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them

We are told to hallow His Sabbaths Ezekiel 20:20And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

God says Sabbath is a sign between Him and His people. We are allowing God to be God when we obey Him on the day He said was the only Holy day, which is the seventh day in the Bible.

Personally I equate being Holy when I go to church on Sabbath to learn about Him, read His Word by studying the Bible, praying, and asking for the Holy Spirit to guide me in my understanding about Him. The Holy Spirit helps to keep us from sinning. The Holy Spirit will never go against God's Words or Gods commandments. John 14:15-18

God bless

 

[Clare73]

Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

It means the ceremonial laws (sacrifices; clean and unclean persons, food, garments, houses; cleansings;
tabernacle (Temple); Aaronic priesthood; mediator and lawgiver; holy years, seasons and days; corban of Leviticus (Eph 2:14-16);
the curse of the Law (Col 2:14) and the Mosaic covenant (Heb 8:13) are no longer in force,
being replaced with the New Covenant made in the blood of Jesus Christ, founded on a superior mediator and better promises (Heb 8:6);
e.g., the Holy Spirit.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

We can find the story here

Matthew 12:5 Or have you not read in the law, that on the Sabbath day, the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are guiltless?

Out of curiosity, do you spend as much time justifying scripture about Sunday (first day) worship as you try to discredit God's 4th commandment? You don't have to answer me, but its something you might want to consider.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

It means the ceremonial laws (sacrifices; clean and unclean persons, food, garments, houses; cleansings;
tabernacle (Temple); Aaronic priesthood; mediator and lawgiver; holy years, seasons and days; corban of Leviticus (Eph 2:14-16);
the curse of the Law (Col 2:14) and the Mosaic covenant (Heb 8:13) are no longer in force,
being replaced with the New Covenant made in the blood of Jesus Christ, founded on a superior mediator and better promises (Heb 8:6);
e.g., the Holy Spirit.

God's 10 commandments, including the 4th are moral laws and not ceremonial laws.

 

[pescador]

God's 10 commandments, including the 4th are moral laws and not ceremonial laws.

And..? What's your point?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

And..? What's your point?

That is my point, God's moral laws are not wiped out. Which is why its still a sin to break any of God's laws.

 

[Clare73]

I wanted to comment here.

The command says to keep the day holy, but when you really think about that it is impossible. Only God is holy, and only He can keep something holy.

I think this is one of those times when the meaning of a word really matters. The command is to "remember the Sabbath" - and in doing so this will keep it holy in our hearts. Not that we keep it holy, no more than we can keep God holy, but by remembering each week we never forget who God is and what He has done.

Holy means "set apart," in this case, set apart to himself and blessed with rest.