Noah's Flood

[East of Eden]

Nope. Doesn't say it's a literal account there, either. Do you have anything at all to show that Jesus said what you claim He did?

It absolutely shows Jesus believed Noah to be literal, and those events, and compares it to the events of His Second Coming. Is that event not literal either? You make no sense.

 

[1an]

The Mesozoic Era was about 200,000,000 years ago, supposedly. There were great changes in New Mexico much more recent than that. At White Sands National Park, about 10,000 years ago, well within the Flood time period, things changed from a tropical place with mastodons (footprints still visible) to what it is today, I suspect at the same time the water-deposited sediment was laid down north in the Rio Grande valley. The NPS explains it as a 'lake' at White Sands.

Fossilized Footprints - White Sands National Park (U.S. National Park Service)

"The sands of White Sands National Monument are formed from gypsum, a soft mineral often left behind when water bodies evaporate."

Where did this immense amount of water come from in an area that gets a few inches of rain a year? The Rio Grande in that area often dries up in summer.

It takes 300 million years for coal to form. These young earthers get me so mad.
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[Job 33:6]

The Mesozoic Era was about 200,000,000 years ago, supposedly. There were great changes in New Mexico much more recent than that. At White Sands National Park, about 10,000 years ago, well within the Flood time period, things changed from a tropical place with mastodons (footprints still visible) to what it is today, I suspect at the same time the water-deposited sediment was laid down north in the Rio Grande valley. The NPS explains it as a 'lake' at White Sands.

Fossilized Footprints - White Sands National Park (U.S. National Park Service)

"The sands of White Sands National Monument are formed from gypsum, a soft mineral often left behind when water bodies evaporate."

Where did this immense amount of water come from in an area that gets a few inches of rain a year? The Rio Grande in that area often dries up in summer.

Just as barbarian said, the gypsum formed from dried deposits of an ancient sea. Where did the water come from? It came from a sea that once covered part of north america.

 

[East of Eden]

It takes 300 million years for coal to form. These young earthers get me so mad.
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And it takes a long time for fine wine to be made, yet Jesus did so instantly at the wedding at Cana. Does that make you mad?

Coal has been formed in a few days in a lab. Coal and Its Rapid Formation

 

[East of Eden]

Just as barbarian said, the gypsum formed from dried deposits of an ancient sea. Where did the water come from? It came from a sea that once covered part of north america.

AKA, the Flood. The same flood that drowned large numbers of mammoths in today's artic areas, some still with tropical vegetation in their mouths.

 

[Job 33:6]

Just as barbarian said, the gypsum formed from dried deposits of an ancient sea. Where did the water come from? It came from a sea that once covered part of north america.

Part of the justification, of many lines of evidence, that I found most simple for people to understand for the idea that they were prehistoric lakes and seas, is that the rocks take on shapes of prehistoric lakes and seas.

And they also have fossils that are specific to lakes and seas. For example, a lake may only have fossils of bugs or small fish. Or maybe the occasional water foul.

Whereas oceans and seas, their geologic formations are usually more expansive and contain things like brachiopods or cephalopods, or prehistoric coral reefs.

Rocks formed from prehistoric lakes often have a circular or oval shape to them, such as those depicted above.

Seas tent to be longer and lateral and consist of things like cyclothems or formations the shapes of continental shelves.

Lake formations also sometimes have anoxic deposits toward their center whereas oxidized deposits are observed radiating out from the inside of the prehistoric lake.

And lakes and seas stratigraphically come and go. We can find marine deposits in the permian, then dry land and animal trackways in the carboniferous, more sea deposits in the mesozoic and more land deposits in the cenozoic further.

So these deposits are also temporally limited.

Among other evidences.

 

[Job 33:6]

AKA, the Flood. The same flood that drowned large numbers of mammoths in today's artic areas, some still with tropical vegetation in their mouths.

Maybe a local flood (of a pre existing sea). No evidence for anything global though.

I'd recommend watching the above youtube video for an understanding of how geologic formations depict oceanic trans and regressive sequences.

 

[1an]

Just as barbarian said, the gypsum formed from dried deposits of an ancient sea. Where did the water come from? It came from a sea that once covered part of north america.

It is pointless arguing.
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[Job 33:6]

Here's another image that helps with understanding oceanic transgression and regression.

If you look in the image above, you can see how some thin band formations stretch across areas, but then as local seas retreat, they leave deposits. And anoxic formations make the base of these sequences, then deposits, and things like gypsum and different salts can also be left behind at the top of these sequences as seas retreat.

But notice that the bands also get shorter and shorter to the west as you go up through the sequence to more recent times, which suggests that the land was being up-lifted simultaneously while sea levels fluctuated producing the bands.

Which is to say that the catskill mountains were undergoing orogenesis while sea level fluctuated in the region.

Geology just isn't so simple as to say "Well there was just a giant flood and a ton of water and it just dumped a lot of sediment and that was that".

Geology tells us a much more complicated (and rich) story about history of the earth.

 

[Job 33:6]

"The same flood that drowned large numbers of mammoths in today's artic areas, some still with tropical vegetation in their mouths."

Also, to say that north america was tropical during the pleistocene seems kind of deceptive. Subtropical like it is today, would be fair. But it's not like whooly mammoths were living in jungles or anything like that.

And it's really not unreasonable to suggest that an animal could die with food caught in it's teeth. I'm sure people die with food caught in their teeth all the time.

 

[Job 33:6]

It is pointless arguing.
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It's ok , sometimes I'm just entertained by it all.

 

[The Barbarian]

And it takes a long time for fine wine to be made, yet Jesus did so instantly at the wedding at Cana. Does that make you mad?

If you can call in a non-scriptural miracle whenever your ideas are in trouble, any idea is equally plausible.

Coal has been formed in a few days in a lab. Coal and Its Rapid Formation

We still have every stage of coal formation from peat to anthracite. And it changes over a very, very long period of time.

Not so much in labs.

 

[Childofgodharrison]

You might want to go back and read some of my posts here. I've pointed out to a number of people that even when the Bible uses figurative language, it's still true.

Do you believe the Bible?

This is what you said. If you take all of it literally, it says the sky is a solid dome over the earth, with windows in it through which rain falls. and He spoke of Noah as He spoke of people in His parables. Where does Jesus say Noah was a literal person?
Which seems like you don't really believe it.

 

[coffee4u]

This is what you said. If you take all of it literally, it says the sky is a solid dome over the earth, with windows in it through which rain falls.

That in the psalms and they are poetry and song. While poetry speaks of truth we also know it takes poetic license and that not every word is meant to be taken literally.

poetic license
noun
the freedom to depart from the facts of a matter or from the conventional rules of language when speaking or writing in order to create an effect.

No one who take creation literally takes it from psalms.
Psalms can be used as supporting verses but they are not the main verses to be taken literally.

and He spoke of Noah as He spoke of people in His parables. Where does Jesus say Noah was a literal person?

The way the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments speaks of Noah is literal, the same way it speaks of Abraham. No where does it suggest he was a parable.

Noah is included in genealogies and had children.
28 When Lamech had lived 182 years, he had a son. 29 He named him Noah and said, “He will comfort us in the labor and painful toil of our hands caused by the ground the Lord has cursed.” 30 After Noah was born, Lamech lived 595 years and had other sons and daughters. 31 Altogether, Lamech lived a total of 777 years, and then he died.

32 After Noah was 500 years old, he became the father of Shem, Ham and Japheth.

It shows Abraham as a descendant of Noah. The Bible also included Noah in the genealogy of Jesus. Luke 3:23-38
People who were merely Parables characters are not treated like that, only real people were included in genealogies.

Genesis 9:29
Noah lived a total of 950 years, and then he died.
Parables are not given death dates.

Then there are many other verses talking about Noah in both the Old and New Testaments.
Hebrews 11:7
By faith Noah, being warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, in reverent fear constructed an ark for the saving of his household. By this he condemned the world and became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
He is there along with other Old Testament saints.
Directly after Noah it talks about Abraham.
8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise.
After Abraham it mentions Isaac and Jacob. There is no suggestion that the author thought any of the men (and Sarah) mentioned were all parables. Nor would it make sense to insert a parable character in the middle of all the other real people.

 

[The Barbarian]

You might want to go back and read some of my posts here. I've pointed out to a number of people that even when the Bible uses figurative language, it's still true.

Do you believe the Bible?

This is what you said. If you take all of it literally, it says the sky is a solid dome over the earth, with windows in it through which rain falls. and He spoke of Noah as He spoke of people in His parables. Where does Jesus say Noah was a literal person?

Yep. Even when Jesus tells a story that didn't really happen, He's telling you the truth. Because a parable is a fiction used to illustrate an important truth.

If I get you correctly, you're telling me that allegories and parables in the Bible aren't to be taken seriously. Which seems like you don't really believe it.

 

[Semper-Fi]

Ah, perhaps you can show us where Jesus said
that Noah was a real person, not a parable.

(no such verse offered)

I searched for [the parable of Noah] , but could not find
one place that the bible records Jesus saying this, or any
bible commentary's on this subject that agrees with you.

The Parables of Jesus
Parables of Jesus

Mat 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in
parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

I showed Jesus spoke to the multitude only in parables.
The burden of proof should be on you to show not me.

-Please show us where Jesus spoke this [so called
parable of Noah] to the multitudes of people.
What is the Parable ?

I showed Christ spoke plainly to the disciples. Jesus did
explain His parables to his disciples in private.

-Please show where Jesus [explains the so called
parable of Noah] to his disciples in a private settings.
What does the parable mean ?

Because a parable is a fiction used
to illustrate an important truth.

"The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you
speak to the people in parables?” He replied,

Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom
of heaven has been given to you, but not to them...
unto them in parables | YouVersion Search | The Bible App
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The story of Noah's life in gen. is not a parable,
but Jesus does mention parallels to Noah's time.
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Do you believe The Rich Man and Lazarus
in - Luke 16:19-31- is a parable also ?
The bible commentary says it is.

 

[The Barbarian]

Ah, perhaps you can show us where Jesus said
that Noah was a real person, not a parable.

(no such verse offered)

I searched for [the parable of Noah] , but could not find one place that the bible records Jesus saying this,

Neither can anyone else. It's just not there. So absent any such evidence in scripture of Jesus saying that Noah being a real person, it seems to me unwise to claim that He did say it.

BTW, Jesus never said that the Good Samaritan was a parable, either. Often, parables and other figurative verses are not labeled as such in scripture.

 

[Semper-Fi]

I searched for [the parable of Noah] , but could not find
one place that the bible records Jesus saying this,

Neither can anyone else.

Yup no where can anyone read that Jesus said
Noah was a parable. Do you have a bible verse ?

How can someone understand what a parable means
if they do not know what the parable is to begin with.

Please answer questions in my last post.

So absent any such evidence in scripture
that Jesus said Noah life was a parable story.....

 

[Childofgodharrison]

You might want to go back and read some of my posts here. I've pointed out to a number of people that even when the Bible uses figurative language, it's still true.

Do you believe the Bible?



Yep. Even when Jesus tells a story that didn't really happen, He's telling you the truth. Because a parable is a fiction used to illustrate an important truth.

If I get you correctly, you're telling me that allegories and parables in the Bible aren't to be taken seriously. Which seems like you don't really believe it.

No I'm telling you that it seem like you don't believe the bible. I believe the earth is covered by a dome, but the rain don't come from it. The rain come from the clouds.

 

[Childofgodharrison]

That in the psalms and they are poetry and song. While poetry speaks of truth we also know it takes poetic license and that not every word is meant to be taken literally.

poetic license
noun
the freedom to depart from the facts of a matter or from the conventional rules of language when speaking or writing in order to create an effect.

No one who take creation literally takes it from psalms.
Psalms can be used as supporting verses but they are not the main verses to be taken literally.



The way the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments speaks of Noah is literal, the same way it speaks of Abraham. No where does it suggest he was a parable.

Noah is included in genealogies and had children.
28 When Lamech had lived 182 years, he had a son. 29 He named him Noah and said, “He will comfort us in the labor and painful toil of our hands caused by the ground the Lord has cursed.” 30 After Noah was born, Lamech lived 595 years and had other sons and daughters. 31 Altogether, Lamech lived a total of 777 years, and then he died.

32 After Noah was 500 years old, he became the father of Shem, Ham and Japheth.

It shows Abraham as a descendant of Noah. The Bible also included Noah in the genealogy of Jesus. Luke 3:23-38
People who were merely Parables characters are not treated like that, only real people were included in genealogies.

Genesis 9:29
Noah lived a total of 950 years, and then he died.
Parables are not given death dates.

Then there are many other verses talking about Noah in both the Old and New Testaments.
Hebrews 11:7
By faith Noah, being warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, in reverent fear constructed an ark for the saving of his household. By this he condemned the world and became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
He is there along with other Old Testament saints.
Directly after Noah it talks about Abraham.
8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise.
After Abraham it mentions Isaac and Jacob. There is no suggestion that the author thought any of the men (and Sarah) mentioned were all parables. Nor would it make sense to insert a parable character in the middle of all the other real people.

Your right.