STOP EXTREME GUN CONTROL BILL H.R. 127

[Speedwell]

People don't do that. Bad guys don't drive to the nearest Dave's Sporting goods, load up on guns and ammo then drive to Chicago and sell them. Cause guess what, you have to register those legal guns They get the on the black market. Gun smugglers ananymous etc. It's the illegal guns the criminals get.

It's better to know than to guess.
https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam... Room/Press Releases/2017/October/GTR2017.pdf

It's the same old axiom and it's true. Good guys rarely commit crimes with guns. Bad guys usually commit crimes with illegal guns. Most of the murders in Chicago are committed by guns gained by illegal means.

All guns start out legally owned.

 

[Danthemailman]

Take the suicides out, and then look at the numbers.

People in gun-restricted countries have no difficulty killing themselves when they want to.

I keep hearing that around 60% - 65% of gun deaths in America are caused by suicide (yet are counted as homicides, which really inflates the number of gun deaths in America and makes homicides by guns in America sound even worse) and around 80% of actual homicides are drug and gang related. Yet the solution is to create stricter gun laws that end up punishing law abiding gun owners in America?

 

[VirOptimus]

I keep hearing that around 60% - 65% of gun deaths in America are caused by suicide (yet are counted as homicides, which really inflates the number of gun deaths in America and makes homicides by guns in America sound even worse) and around 80% of actual homicides are drug and gang related. Yet the solution is to create stricter gun laws that end up punishing law abiding gun owners in America? Typical left-wing logic.

Citation needed.

 

[Danthemailman]

Citation needed.

Citation needed for what? Oh I see the last sentence was removed. Mystery solved.

 

[VirOptimus]

Citation needed for what? Oh I see the last sentence was removed. Mystery solved.

For every assertion in your post.

 

[Danthemailman]

For every assertion in your post.

Do you believe that percentage of deaths by suicide in the US are much lower, along with percentages of gun deaths related to drug and gang violence?

 

[Desk trauma]

Do you believe that percentage of deaths by suicide in the US are much lower, along with percentages of gun deaths related to drug and gang violence?

Why not remove belief from the equation and go to the stats that show the facts of the matter?

 

[VirOptimus]

Do you believe that percentage of deaths by suicide in the US are much lower, along with percentages of gun deaths related to drug and gang violence?

I dont belive anything.

You make an assertion, its on you to support it. Debate 101.

 

[Danthemailman]

Why not remove belief from the equation and go to the stats that show the facts of the matter?

I've checked on the stats and several of them state that 6 out of 10 gun deaths in America are from suicide. Some state closer to just over 50%.

I also found this: Are gun homicides tied to gang violence?

But the reality is that gun homicides are overwhelmingly tied to gang violence. In fact, a staggering 80% of gun homicides are gang-related. According to the Center for Disease Control (CDC), gang homicides accounted for roughly 8,900 of 11,100 gun murders in both 2010 and 2011.

 

[Desk trauma]

I've checked on the stats and several of them state that 6 out of 10 gun deaths in America are from suicide. Some state closer to just over 50%.

I also found this: Are gun homicides tied to gang violence?

But the reality is that gun homicides are overwhelmingly tied to gang violence. In fact, a staggering 80% of gun homicides are gang-related. According to the Center for Disease Control (CDC), gang homicides accounted for roughly 8,900 of 11,100 gun murders in both 2010 and 2011.

Almost there, now the links...

 

[Danthemailman]

Almost there, now the links...

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.
http://jpfo.org/articles-assd03/gun-stats-perspective.htm

 

[Desk trauma]

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.
http://jpfo.org/articles-assd03/gun-stats-perspective.htm

Attaboy!

 

[rjs330]

Our right to vote and choose our government is what keeps us safe from government tyranny. The government will always have more and bigger guns than we do.

Then why would they need to take our guns?

 

[VirOptimus]

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.
http://jpfo.org/articles-assd03/gun-stats-perspective.htm

The Scope of the Problem: Gun Violence in the USA

For som real data and not some fluff piece.

 

[VirOptimus]

Then why would they need to take our guns?

Maybe because the US have a real gun problem where people are dying.

 

[Danthemailman]

The Scope of the Problem: Gun Violence in the USA

For som real data and not some fluff piece.

I've read enough articles and statistics to know that the suicide rate and gang violence in relation to gun deaths in the US is a real problem and is not just fluff. Disarming law abiding citizens while criminals remain armed is not the solution to gun violence.

 

[98cwitr]

The Scope of the Problem: Gun Violence in the USA

For som real data and not some fluff piece.

Why is it that the "tool" is always the qualifier? Why not focus instead on the root causes of that violence? Isn't that the real problem anyway?

 

[VirOptimus]

Why is it that the "tool" is always the qualifier? Why not focus instead on the root causes of that violence? Isn't that the real problem anyway?

Why not do something about both?

 

[VirOptimus]

I've read enough articles and statistics to know that the suicide rate and gang violence in relation to gun deaths in the US is a real problem and is not just fluff. Disarming law abiding citizens while criminals remain armed is not the solution to gun violence.

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I see, data and facts dont matter to you.

Arguing by meme is pretty stupid btw.

 

[Sparagmos]

Then why would they need to take our guns?

The government isn’t trying and never has tried to ‘take your guns," however some people in government want to make certain guns illegal and make it harder for mentally ill people to get guns, to try and reduce the crazy number of gun deaths in our country.