STOP EXTREME GUN CONTROL BILL H.R. 127

[Arcangl86]

Acknowledged -- Stalin hated "ideas even more than guns" (not "guns more than ideas")

 

[Erik Nelson]

Ditto

 

[ThatRobGuy]

(1) Live Q&A: Biden Calls for Gun Restrictions; Trump Speaks After Beating Impeachment | Crossroads - YouTube

He can try calling on congress for it, but it should be pointed out that the same in the senate who just got done voting on Trump's case, are the same people who will be voting on any gun control laws.

And with the filibuster still in place, unless Democrats can win some republicans over to their side on the issue, it would be unlikely to even get to a vote in the Senate.

Another issue would be that not even all democrats are unified on it.
Joe Manchin & Jon Tester would be examples of more gun-friendly Democrats in the Senate

Then you have other democratic senators who support universal background checks and bumpstock bans, but that's basically as far as their overlap goes with other senate democrats.
Examples of that would be people like Paula Jean Swearengin

So, it's a slam dunk that a gun control bill will get through the house, but getting it through the senate would be another story. (especially considering you have a handful of democrats who don't support sweeping legislation, and they'd have the filibuster to contend with)

 

[Erik Nelson]

Adolf Hitler - To Conquer a Nation (snopes.com)

 

[Desk trauma]

It's approaching the end of the first day of a new week, whats the status of this bill? Has it been removed from the drawer it was stuffed into yet? Anyone? Bueller?

 

[Erik Nelson]

He can try calling on congress for it, but it should be pointed out that the the same in the senate who just got done voting on Trump's case, are the same people who will be voting on any gun control laws.

And with the filibuster still in place, unless Democrats can win some republicans over to their side on the issue, it would be unlikely to even get to a vote in the Senate.

Another issue would be that not even all democrats are unified on it.
Joe Manchin & Jon Tester would be examples of more gun-friendly Democrats in the Senate

Then you have other democratic senators who support universal background checks and bumpstock bans, but that's basically as far as their overlap goes with other senate democrats.
Examples of that would be people like Paula Jean Swearengin

So, it's a slam dunk that a gun control bill will get through the house, but getting it through the senate would be another story. (especially considering you have a handful of democrats who don't support sweeping legislation, and they'd have the filibuster to contend with)

Lawful gun owners are not actually the cause of crime

The world's woes are not all the fault of the NRA

 

[Vylo]

Lawful gun owners are not actually the cause of crime

The world's woes are not all the fault of the NRA

I mean, there are plenty of lawful gun owners right up to the point they commit crimes with them.

 

[Erik Nelson]

I mean, there are plenty of lawful gun owners right up to the point they commit crimes with them.

Plenty of clean driving records right up to their first accident

You think you will save Americans' lives on the roads, by revoking the licenses of every other American who has never had an accident? Punish 100,000,000 clean drivers for a comparable few others' misdeeds?

Do. the. crime.
Do. the. time.
Don't. do. any. crime.
Don't. do. any. time.

Of course, some folks are "born guilty"

 

[VirOptimus]

-snip-

Of course, some folks are "born guilty"

Really? Who?

 

[Arcangl86]

Plenty of clean driving records right up to their first accident

You think you will save Americans' lives on the roads, by revoking the licenses of every other American who has never had an accident? Punish 100,000,000 clean drivers for a comparable few others' misdeeds?

Do. the. crime.
Do. the. time.
Don't. do. any. crime.
Don't. do. any. time.

Of course, some folks are "born guilty"

Of course that leaves out that cars are dangerous but not designed to take life, while guns are specifically designed to kill. Different levels of utility, and I don't get why people love trying to compare cars to guns.

 

[Desk trauma]

Plenty of clean driving records right up to their first accident

You think you will save Americans' lives on the roads, by revoking the licenses of every other American who has never had an accident? Punish 100,000,000 clean drivers for a comparable few others' misdeeds?

Do. the. crime.
Do. the. time.
Don't. do. any. crime.
Don't. do. any. time.

Of course, some folks are "born guilty"

If we used the gun lobby logic licenses to drive, insurance of vehicles and safety measures to mitigate the danger/damage of driving would all be shrieked about histrionically as violations of individual liberty. Funny how externalities are only important in relation to things that are out of favor.

 

[Desk trauma]

Acknowledged -- Stalin hated "ideas even more than guns" (not "guns more than ideas")

Still no acknowledgment that Stalin likely didn't say this?

 

[Arcangl86]

Ditto

I.... you can't possible be that obtuse, so please drop the act.

 

[driewerf]

The Weimar Republic disarmed the people before the Nazis began their human right atrocities. As a German, I would encourage you to remember that. If the German people (ie: Jews, ethnic minorities etc) had the ability to defend themselves, there is an argument that Hilter would have not been able to commit the Holocaust in the first place



https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=4029&context=flr

If 1930s Germany taught us anything, we need 2A more than ever and FORever

A good read;
On Gun Registration, the NRA, Adolf Hitler, and Nazi Gun Laws: Exploding the Gun Culture Wars
Nazi gun control argument - Wikipedia.

 

[Erik Nelson]

Of course that leaves out that cars are dangerous but not designed to take life, while guns are specifically designed to kill. Different levels of utility, and I don't get why people love trying to compare cars to guns.

1) Which kills more Americans per year?

2) Guns protect people -- AR-15s are not the "weapon of choice" for burglaries, robberies, and muggings

 

[Erik Nelson]

How many close calls has everybody had on America's roads? How many times has everyone's heart started pounding amidst feelings of surprising fortuity?

Now, how many close calls has any American had with "their fellow country-persons'" AR-15s? How many times has some else' AR-15 been waggled right past their face, causing them to say, "wow, that was close, I can't believe I didn't get injured, that AR-15 almost did me in" ??

Lots of close calls with cars - zero complaints
Zero close calls with AR-15s - lots of complaints

Those complaints in no way reflect reality

 

[Arcangl86]

1) Which kills more Americans per year?

2) Guns protect people -- AR-15s are not the "weapon of choice" for burglaries, robberies, and muggings

1) Guns actually. In 2019 about 37.8k people died from firearms related injury, while the same year about 36k died in car accidents.
2) Guns are designed to kill people. To the extent that they protect people, it's by virtue of being able to kill an attacker. I'm not saying that killing people is inherently bad, but that's what they are designed to do, and because of that they should be treated differently then something which might be dangerous, but has as it's intended function something else.

 

[Darkhorse]

1) Guns actually. In 2019 about 37.8k people died from firearms related injury, while the same year about 36k died in car accidents.

Take the suicides out, and then look at the numbers.

People in gun-restricted countries have no difficulty killing themselves when they want to.

 

[Desk trauma]

We are nearing close of business on another day in Congress, any word on this bill that we are supposed to be so concerned over? Is a vote scheduled? Something?

 

[Erik Nelson]

because of that they should be treated differently then something which might be dangerous, but has as it's intended function something else.

They should be treated according to the US Constitution

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