Why Am I Eating a Pork Chop?

[BNR32FAN]

Ironic that you refer to my ignorance when talking about butchering animals--to this day, the only air breathing animals that I know that don't get strangled are fowl, they get their heads cut of, or heads wrung off, but never, have I ever heard of fowl be strangled to death as part of any slaughterhouse process. --not only would a procedure like that be completely unnecessary to kill such small animals, but it would be difficult to perform, especially on mass, nor would it be profitable, to anyone, at anytime. --the irony of what you just said is almost incredible to me...

Strangulation of large animals, is a method of killing that requires a lot less skill--just get a rope around it's head, and tense it up, and wait. Not only is this method obviously cruel, but more importantly, it is against what God commands.

Concerning red meat: it's not red because of blood, but because of kind: red meat is red due to myoglobin (a type of muscle protein), not hemoglobin is a protein found in blood, not muscle. There are different kinds of flesh, some flesh is red, while others are white, etc.

Concerning conscience: we are not supposed to ask, cause idols are nothing, but if informed, we cannot eat, specifically for conscience, not ours, but theirs.

Meat sacrificed to idols is an abomination, period.

Please understand, that the idol cannot make the meat unclean, for an idol is nothing, yet, if we seek to eat that kind of meat, presumptuously, against what God commands, then indeed, we sin, and mortally.

I agree I’ve never heard of anyone strangling a chicken to death. Typically the head is chopped off and even when they wring their neck it’s to snap their neck breaking the spinal cord. In most cases the head doesn’t actually come off but in any case the cause of death is not by strangling it’s by snapping the spinal cord. As for most beef slaughter houses some use a mechanical piston that sends a metal bolt thru the skull and some use a blade that slices the throat but again I’ve never heard of any slaughter house strangling cows, probably because it’s too slow of a process and they’re goal is to get as much production in the least amount of time.

Edit: come to think of it I just remembered that most slaughter houses prefer a quick death because the slower the death the more tough the meat is and it can add a wild flavor to the meat from adrenaline being released into the cows bloodstream. This is why they try to keep the cows as calm as possible before they are slaughtered.

 

[Religiot]

No my point was in reference to your statement concerning cannibalism. In the context of verses 2 and 3 together we can conclude that God was not advocating cannibalism. Verse 2 is defining God’s statement in verse 3 by establishing parameters of the subject.

“The fear of you and the terror of you will be on every animal of the earth and on every bird of the sky; on everything that crawls on the ground, and on all the fish of the sea. They are handed over to you. Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I have given everything to you, as I gave the green plant.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭9:2-3‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

...my mention of cannibalism was to make a point, that you missed...

Let's reduce this further:

Are you maintaining that God gave Noah every green plant as food?

 

[Religiot]

If pork going into your mouth is rebellion,
And rebellion makes you unacceptable to God,
Then there are things that go into you from the outside and make you unacceptable to God.

I'll go ahead and repeat my first sentence to the statement I made, that you responded to, I'll also put it in all caps, and underline some things, etc., just for emphasis:

NOTHING THAT CAN ENTER ME CAN DEFILE ME, PERIOD.

Please explain what you misunderstood about that sentence, thanks.

PS: Also, please bear with me, as I try to cut through the ocean of confusion on such a small boat. Thanks in advance!

 

[BNR32FAN]

...my mention of cannibalism was to make a point, that you missed...

Let's reduce this further:

Are you maintaining that God gave Noah every green plant as food?

No because God did not specifically say that Noah could eat every plant.

 

[BNR32FAN]

To those who insist that Christians must observe the dietary laws I have a question. Why did Paul rebuke Peter for not eating with the Gentiles while the Jews were present? Was it because the Gentiles observed the Jewish dietary laws or was it because they didn’t observe them?

 

[Davy]

Of course I agree with you. However, I addressed my comment to an SDA poster who has put himself under the Law, especially in this case, the dietary law. The standard SDA line here at CF is that God has placed all mankind under the TEN COMMANDMENTS (only) and that the other commandments are irrelevant. If they actually believe that then they have absolutely no reason to make a fuss about the dietary law as it is no part of the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

I'm not SDA, nor Jewish, and I have no problem with them wanting to keep God's dietary laws. Why should anyone else care that they keep God's laws, as long as they know the law cannot save?

In Galatians 5, Apostle Paul showed that walking in The Spirit means we won't be doing anything that is against God's laws. It's that simple. So following God's laws certainly is NOT against The New Covenant nor against The Holy Spirit. In 1 Timothy 1 Apostle Paul even showed there's still portions of God's laws that are... in effect per The New Covenant under Christ Jesus, and much of that has to do with keeping peace in Christian society.

The real issue here with those here who are eating outside God's dietary laws and are against the Jews keeping it, is nothing but jealousy and guilt. They are so afraid they might be guilty in not keeping Christ's commandments and somehow lose His Grace by keeping God's laws. And the resultant fact of that attitude is they keep eating unhealthy, and their bodies are not as healthy as they could be. I'm speaking from experience too, because I was raised thinking it's OK to eat anything and still be healthy.

 

[Religiot]

I agree I’ve never heard of anyone strangling a chicken to death. Typically the head is chopped off and even when they wring their neck it’s to snap their neck breaking the spinal cord. In most cases the head doesn’t actually come off but in any case the cause of death is not by strangling it’s by snapping the spinal cord. As for most beef slaughter houses some use a mechanical piston that sends a metal bolt thru the skull and some use a blade that slices the throat but again I’ve never heard of any slaughter house strangling cows, probably because it’s too slow of a process and they’re goal is to get as much production in the least amount of time.

Edit: come to think of it I just remembered that most slaughter houses prefer a quick death because the slower the death the more tough the meat is and it can add a wild flavor to the meat from adrenaline being released into the cows bloodstream. This is why they try to keep the cows as calm as possible before they are slaughtered.

Indeed.

I worked at a Muslim slaughterhouse, and killed many animals, including large bulls. We rarely used the cattle-bolt, save for exceedingly powerful bulls, because sometimes, they would almost break free during the process.

In my time there, I discovered that the difference between sheep and goats is not just in their appearance, but predominantly in their personality: goats would fight and resist, but the sheep would not. When I would lay hold of any sheep, including rams, they felt gentle, the goats felt rough as compared to sheep, regardless of specie: I'm not referring to their coats, but their physical tension--the goats would always tense up, but the sheep would not. It was amazing to realize that.

The Lord came as the lamb, but will return as the lion. --we are supposed to eat lamb, but the lion eats us. May Yehoshua soon come. Amen.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Indeed.

I worked at a Muslim slaughterhouse, and killed many animals, including large bulls. We rarely used the cattle-bolt, save for exceedingly powerful bulls, because sometimes, they would almost break free during the process.

In my time there, I discovered that the difference between sheep and goats is not just in their appearance, but predominantly in their personality: goats would fight and resist, but the sheep would not. When I would lay hold of any sheep, including rams, they felt gentle, the goats felt rough as compared to sheep, regardless of specie: I'm not referring to their coats, but their physical tension--the goats would always tense up, but the sheep would not. It was amazing to realize that.

The Lord came as the lamb, but will return as the lion. --we are supposed to eat lamb, but the lion eats us. May Yehoshua soon come. Amen.

That is very interesting, of course I’ve heard that in the scriptures but have never slaughtered any sheep or goats so I didn’t know if that actually pertained to sheep being slaughtered or if it was just in reference to sheep being genuinely docile animals. Although my boss did have a sheep at one time and it never tried to attack anyone but it would butt people defensively when it felt threatened.

 

[Religiot]

To those who insist that Christians must observe the dietary laws I have a question. Why did Paul rebuke Peter for not eating with the Gentiles while the Jews were present? Was it because the Gentiles observed the Jewish dietary laws or was it because they didn’t observe them?

Paul himself answers that, when he describes the actual confrontation:

"Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also. And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain. But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised: and that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: to whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you. But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me: but contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; (for he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do. But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed."

"WHEREFORE the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." --Galatians ch.2-ch.3

You seem to have missed his point.

Again, this isn't about food, but whether or not someone belongs to Christ.

EDIT: The smiley faces are not put there by me, but by the algorithm--it recognizes those punctuation marks as smiley faces... lame.

 

[Religiot]

That is very interesting, of course I’ve heard that in the scriptures but have never slaughtered any sheep or goats so I didn’t know if that actually pertained to sheep being slaughtered or if it was just in reference to sheep being genuinely docile animals. Although my boss did have a sheep at one time and it never tried to attack anyone but it would butt people defensively when it felt threatened.

The difference is stark when they are compared: their aura is very different, tho they often look similar.

 

[Leaf473]

I'll go ahead and repeat my first sentence to the statement I made, that you responded to, I'll also put it in all caps, and underline some things, etc., just for emphasis:

NOTHING THAT CAN ENTER ME CAN DEFILE ME, PERIOD.

Please explain what you misunderstood about that sentence, thanks.

PS: Also, please bear with me, as I try to cut through the ocean of confusion on such a small boat. Thanks in advance!

(When I first posted this, I forgot to include your post to me )

Right, it sounds like we both agree that something going into you from the outside doesn't make you unacceptable to God.

Now,
If pork going into your mouth is rebellion,
And rebellion makes you unacceptable to God,
Then there are things that go into you from the outside and make you unacceptable to God.

The conclusion there doesn't really fit with our given at the beginning. So, I think something is wrong with the idea that pork equals rebellion equals unacceptable.

That's what I was trying to say.

I'm happy to bear with you! Bearing with one another is one aspect of the law of Christ, imo!

 

[BNR32FAN]

Paul himself answers that, when he describes the actual confrontation:

"Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also. And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain. But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised: and that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: to whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you. But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me: but contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; (for he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do. But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed."

"WHEREFORE the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." --Galatians ch.2-ch.3

You seem to have missed his point.

Again, this isn't about food, but whether or not someone belongs to Christ.

EDIT: The smiley faces are not put there by me, but by the algorithm--it recognizes those punctuation marks as smiley faces... lame.

Missed this point? There’s at least 25 points in that quote. You appear to be attempting to drown out the message by covering it up with a boatload of scripture.

“For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THE THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO DO THEM.” Now, that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “ THE RIGHTEOUS ONE WILL LIVE BY FAITH.” However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “THE PERSON WHO PERFORMS THEM WILL LIVE BY THEM.””
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

The message here is that Peter feared ridicule from the Jews for eating with the Gentiles who did not observe the Jewish dietary laws and Paul rebuked him because Peter was basically being a hypocrite by pretending not to be fraternizing with them. Now if these Gentiles were observing the dietary laws there would be no need for Peter to fear the persecution of the Jews for eating with them but they weren’t which is why he did fear the persecution of the Jews and yet neither Peter nor Paul ever mention the necessity of keeping the dietary laws. So if these Gentiles were expected to keep the dietary laws but they weren’t then Paul would have no reason to rebuke Peter for not continuing to have fellowship with them. Furthermore Paul would be obligated to rebuke the Gentile believers if they were expected to keep the dietary laws and were failing to do so. And out of all of Paul’s epistles to the Gentiles he never once mentions that they must observe any of the Jewish dietary laws. In fact he even tells them in 1 Corinthians 10 that they can eat anything including meat offered to idols which Jews were forbidden to do.

“Eat anything that is sold in the meat market without asking questions, for the sake of conscience; FOR THE EARTH IS THE LORD’S, AND ALL IT CONTAINS. If one of the unbelievers invites you and you want to go, eat anything that is set before you without asking questions, for the sake of conscience. But if anyone says to you, “This is meat sacrificed to idols,” do not eat it, for the sake of that one who informed you and for the sake of conscience; Now by “conscience” I do not mean your own, but the other person’s; for why is my freedom judged by another’s conscience? If I partake with thankfulness, why am I slandered about that for which I give thanks?”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭10:25-30‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Notice Paul doesn’t put any restrictions at all on what they are allowed to eat even tho he is speaking about eating with Gentiles who are well known for not observing the Jewish dietary laws. You’ll never find a verse in the New Testament encouraging Gentiles to observe the Jewish dietary laws because it was never expected of them. The dietary laws were not given to the Gentiles they were given to “the sons of Israel” aka the Jews.

 

[bbbbbbb]

When did you ever engage in "law-keeping"? I'd love to know, cause that is very rare indeed; and if you were once lawful but now are lawless, that is even rarer, and I love to know, if so, thanks.

I was raised in a legalistic Christian home with clearly-defined laws and rules which we tried to keep strictly. We were under the Law, not grace. Praise God that he delivered me from the bondage of the Law!

 

[prodromos]

In my time there, I discovered that the difference between sheep and goats is not just in their appearance, but predominantly in their personality: goats would fight and resist, but the sheep would not. When I would lay hold of any sheep, including rams, they felt gentle, the goats felt rough as compared to sheep, regardless of specie: I'm not referring to their coats, but their physical tension--the goats would always tense up, but the sheep would not. It was amazing to realize that.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Well those SDA folks have informed you incorrectly.

We are not under the ten commandments. They are part and parcel of the Mosaic Law!

Paul told the church this about the ten commandments:

2 Corinthians 3:7-11
King James Version

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

The laws purpose was to drive Israel to Christ! It is a ministry of condemnation. It defines sin and causes the sin nature to sin!

The church is not under the law written and engraven in stones, but under grace!

Rom. 5:20
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

God gave the law to make sin abound!

To live under the law is to live in death.

Oy Vey!!! I get so tired of constantly hearing this SOOO out of context! IF you are not under the law what do you need grace for???? SIN is the TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW! Do you sin or not???

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I was raised in a legalistic Christian home with clearly-defined laws and rules which we tried to keep strictly. We were under the Law, not grace. Praise God that he delivered me from the bondage of the Law!

Again, why do you need grace??? Sin is the transgression of the law. Do you sin or not?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

To those who insist that Christians must observe the dietary laws I have a question. Why did Paul rebuke Peter for not eating with the Gentiles while the Jews were present? Was it because the Gentiles observed the Jewish dietary laws or was it because they didn’t observe them?

Neither. Because Jews were to keep separate from gentiles...period.

 

[pescador]

Well those SDA folks have informed you incorrectly.

We are not under the ten commandments. They are part and parcel of the Mosaic Law!

Paul told the church this about the ten commandments:

2 Corinthians 3:7-11
King James Version

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

The laws purpose was to drive Israel to Christ! It is a ministry of condemnation. It defines sin and causes the sin nature to sin!

The church is not under the law written and engraven in stones, but under grace!

Rom. 5:20
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

God gave the law to make sin abound!

To live under the law is to live in death.

Even though I have a Master's degree and am a voracious reader of the Bible I have no clear understanding of the (separate) verses of the KJV rendition of Paul's letter to the church in Corinth. It is weird to try to establish Christian doctrine from these (separated) verses in a form of English that nobody has used as their normal, primary language for centuries.

Here is a far better translation of that part of Paul's letter to the Corinthians...

"But if the ministry that produced death—carved in letters on stone tablets—came with glory, so that the Israelites could not keep their eyes fixed on the face of Moses because of the glory of his face (a glory which was made ineffective), how much more glorious will the ministry of the Spirit be? For if there was glory in the ministry that produced condemnation, how much more does the ministry that produces righteousness excel in glory! For indeed, what had been glorious now has no glory because of the tremendously greater glory of what replaced it. For if what was made ineffective came with glory, how much more has what remains come in glory! Therefore, since we have such a hope, we behave with great boldness, and not like Moses who used to put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from staring at the result of the glory that was made ineffective. But their minds were closed. For to this very day, the same veil remains when they hear the old covenant read. It has not been removed because only in Christ is it taken away. But until this very day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their minds, but when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is present, there is freedom. And we all, with unveiled faces reflecting the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another, which is from the Lord, who is the Spirit."

... and the paragraph of Paul's letter to the Romans...

"Consequently, just as condemnation for all people came through one transgression, so too through the one righteous act came righteousness leading to life for all people. For just as through the disobedience of the one man many were constituted sinners, so also through the obedience of one man many will be constituted righteous. Now the law came in so that the transgression may increase, but where sin increased, grace multiplied all the more, so that just as sin reigned in death, so also grace will reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

You see, it is far too easy to establish a false doctrine by (mis)interpreting a letter that is a translation of Koine Greek into Olde Englyshe and to have it mean what you want it to say rather than what it actually means.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Again, why do you need grace??? Sin is the transgression of the law. Do you sin or not?

Of course I sin (I John 1) and I confess my sin and am forgiven. Without grace that would be utterly impossible.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Ellen White wasn’t very reliable. Her book Sketches from the Life of Paul was heavily plagiarized from the book Life and Epistles of the Apostle Paul, published in 1855. The SDA didn’t republish White’s book the Conybeare and Howson copyright had expired. So, I don’t really believe SDA doctrine as it wasn’t built on solid foundation.

Hmm what? Who is talking EGW? I am only providing scripture so lets discuss the scriptures shall we? I must admit I find it quite amusing when people want to discuss EGW when they feel threatened with scripture. Yet it should not be that way. We should not be afraid to discuss God's Word as it is how we are to follow God and also shows how we should not follow God.