Why Am I Eating a Pork Chop?

[LoveGodsWord]

I didn't make a claim. I interpreted what sounded very much like a passive aggressive implication.

You did make that claim. Perhaps you interpreted it wrongly? That was the only reason I was wanting to share those scriptures with you and to set the record straight. If your not interested though it is ok.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

True! This is an important and a part of God's new covenant promise in Hebrews 8:11; John 14:26; John 16:13; 1 John 2:27; John 8:31-36.

Thanks for adding the scriptures.

 

[Servus]

Why Am I Eating a Pork Chop?

Because you like it?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Goodnight all late my time. Thanks for the discussion. May God bless you all as you seek him through His Word.

 

[Servus]

You did make that claim. Perhaps you interpreted it wrongly? That was the only reason I was wanting to share those scriptures with you and to set the record straight. If your not interested though it is ok.

Actually I meant questioned and changed it to that. I questioned rather than reported.

If you want to just share scripture, please just do so.

 

[1an]

These are the animals you may eat: the ox, the sheep, the goat, the deer, the gazelle, the roe deer, the wild goat, the ibex, the antelope and the mountain sheep. You may eat any animal that has a split hoof divided in two and that chews the cud.

(oxen and cattle are the same thing ie beef)

Pigs being the exception, they eat human waste and are full of maggots.
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[BNR32FAN]

What I wish however is that all SDA members on CF.com could vocalize a pro-life, pro-sexual morality message rather than criticizing the non-SDA churches over various doctrinal differences. As it stands, many do, but several Adventists seem to be more interested in criticizing other churches, especially Roman Catholics. No one is going to be converted to Adventism by these polemics. What I say here applies to all other denominations also. CF.com needs a spirit of ecumenism.

I sometimes find myself guilty of this as well.

 

[Servus]

Never backpedaled at all, I didn’t even edit my original post.

Yeshua HaDerekh only pointed out one other Christian denomination that adheres to a Kosher diet. So that's only two versus all the rest.

The path is narrow not wide. God bless

13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. Matthew 7:13-14

 

[BNR32FAN]

Acts 10 has nothing to do with the changing of clean and unclean food laws. It is about Gentiles no longer to be considered unclean in sharing the gospel.

The answer was partly addressed in the scripture you quoted but more so in the chapter context (see second half of post # 198 linked already addressed).

The Jews obeyed God's dietary laws that is why Peter never ate unclean foods. The vision was never about God making a random decision out of nowhere and changing his mind saying it is now ok to eat unclean food. This is proven when context is added back in as Peter considers the dream and the interpretation he sees that it is a reference to the Gentiles not being unclean...

14, But Peter said, NOT SO LORD FOR I HAVE NEVER EATEN ANYTHING THAT IS UNCLEAN AND COMMON.

15, And the voice spake unto him again the second time, WHAT GOD HAS CLEANSED, THAT DO NOT CALL COMMON.

16, This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

17, Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made inquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

Now the question here to consider is what was it that God had cleansed and we should not call common, this is what Peter was thinking about. WHILE PETER WAS THINKING ABOUT THE MEANING OF THE VISION. The praying gentile that believed God was at his gate asking for Peter...

18, And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.

19, While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

20, Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.

What was it that God was teaching Peter.....

27, And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.

28, And he said unto them, YOU KNOW THAT IT IS AN UNLAWFUL THING FOR A MAN THAT IS A JEW TO KEEP COMPANY, OR COME UNTO ONE OF ANOTHER NATION; BUT GOD HAS SHOWN ME THAT I SHOULD NOT CALL ANY MAN COMMON OR UNCLEAN

So Peter's dream was not a random decision by God saying he changed his mind and all unclean foods are now clean. Peter's interpretation of the dream was about all men are now clean in God's eyes and that the Believers can preach the Gospel to the Gentiles who are no longer unclean...

Throughout this chapter there is two stories going in sequence. One about Peter's dream and interpretation and the story of the Angel appearing to Cornelius (the gentile believer) who was told to go and meet with Peter who the Jews considered unclean..

Hope this is helpful.

Peter was a Jew and the dietary laws were specifically given to “the sons of Israel” not to Gentiles. There are no scriptures commanding the Gentiles to observe the Jewish dietary laws.

 

[Servus]

Pigs being the exception, they eat human waste and are full of maggots.
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Trichinosis is the grossest.

 

[Servus]

Talking about dietary laws with SDAs is like talking about speaking in tongues with Pentecostals. Or talking about predestination with Calvinists. Or talking about loss of salvation with Arminians.

If one holds to a particular denominational doctrine, they're apt to only be able/willing to interpret scripture through that lense.

That's why I'm non-denominational.

 

[Leaf473]

I have to disagree that lack of refrigerators was the reason God said don't eat pork.

A hog is a scavenger, designed to cleanse the earth. Scavenger animals are designed to handle poisons and wastes, and that's what one is eating when they eat scavenger meats. In 1 Timothy 4:3, Apostle Paul pointed to meats that God created to be received. He wasn't pointing to scavenger meats.

But this is not a salvation issue. But we shouldn't try to make excuses for eating scavengers that are unclean, and unhealthy for our body.

Also, the blanket of unclean meats God showed Apostle Peter in a vision, and told Peter to take and eat, that did NOT... mean all of sudden unclean meats are now OK to eat. God was only using that as an example of The Gospel was meant for the Gentiles also.

This is something I've often wondered about. Chickens are scavengers also, at least from what I've heard. Yet chickens are a clean animal, I think.

 

[Servus]

This is something I've often wondered about. Chickens are scavengers also, at least from what I've heard. Yet chickens are a clean animal, I think.

I suppose goats are also scavengers. I've heard that goats will eat anything.

 

[1an]

Trichinosis is the grossest.

I did nor know the name, but you made me smile.
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[Servus]

I did nor know the name, but you made me smile.
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I stole it from a sitcom.

 

[Leaf473]

I suppose goats are also scavengers. I've heard that goats will eat anything.

Yes, I forgot about goats, thanks for bringing that up.

I too have heard that goats will eat all kinds of things.

 

[Servus]

I was at a small zoo once and saw a Bangle tiger eating a platter of raw hamburger. And a chicken was sticking its head through the enclosure to peck away at the meat. The chicken wasn't being very chicken. The tiger got upset and did that roar strike thing. The chicken kept going at the raw burger meat. If only smartphones and youtube had been around back then.

 

[Servus]

God says seek ye and you shall find. Sometimes what we learn on our own is more valuable than someone spelling it out. Just a thought and not meant to be derogatory.

Unfortunately in textual debates sometimes someone decides to hand the other person an assignment, for various reasons. This in my experience disrupts the flow of conversation. As for being taught scripture, that started back around 1968.

 

[Freth]

By the way, SDA members should know I am not anti-SDA. I disagree with much of what Ellen White wrote, I want to see crosses more frequently in SDA churches, and I believe that Friday and Sunday are also holy days, but I don’t reject the Sabbath. I greatly respect the pro-life traditional morality of the SDA, which is in alignment with the SBC, the LCMS, the Eastern churches and the Roman Catholics. I have serious issues with some of the mainline churches which have capitulated to modern culture on abortion and homosexuality and other issues.

What I wish however is that all SDA members on CF.com could vocalize a pro-life, pro-sexual morality message rather than criticizing the non-SDA churches over various doctrinal differences. As it stands, many do, but several Adventists seem to be more interested in criticizing other churches, especially Roman Catholics. No one is going to be converted to Adventism by these polemics. What I say here applies to all other denominations also. CF.com needs a spirit of ecumenism.

I don't want to get too side-tracked from the subject matter of the thread, but I wanted to briefly respond.

Our logo has the cross in it. This is the official description of the use of the cross in the logo.

"Central to that biblical message is the cross, which is also a central feature of the logo."

"The symbol of the cross, representing the gospel of salvation, is positioned in the center of the design to emphasize Christ’s sacrifice, which is the central theme of the Adventist faith."
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Many of our churches have crosses in various places—on podiums and in the architecture. It's not a center-piece for our churches. The cross is found prominently in the Bible message, which is the reason why we don't feel the need to display crosses. If you make the cross visible through teaching the scripture, it's ever-present in the hearts and minds of the congregation without the need for actual physical representations.

I frequent Reddit where, on any given day, you'll find countless threads on subjects like abortion and homosexuality. I and many other SDA engage these subjects, but the echo chamber of societal "norms" drowns out and down-votes most of our posts. This is expected, of course. You have to pick and choose your battles wisely. CF has a lot of forums. I have yet to fully explore them, because I spread my time over many forums.

For me, denomination is beside the point. It's whether a doctrine or belief is based in scripture or not. What does scripture say? In this very thread, you'll find a lot of argument, but little scriptural quotation to back it up. This is third-party belief. It's how false doctrine becomes so-called truth.

I don't engage in endless debate. I look for opportunities to witness to others and I post where I feel I can make a difference. Arguing endlessly in a thread is pointless unless there's new light to give on scripture. Our job is to plant seeds and let them fall on the ground they find, not drill them into rock.

There are some great divides between SDA and Roman Catholic denominations, but at the end of the day we're all Christians and there is only one truth. If a doctrinal subject comes up, I'll point out scripture. That's not me attacking your denomination (or any other), that's God's word speaking truth.

At any rate, back to the thread subject.

 

[dqhall]

There are many fish that are considered clean, the scavengers, bottom feeders etc. are not clean.

Clams have a wealth of vitamin B-12 in them. Without B-12 all sorts of illness might occur. Oysters are high in zinc. Zinc strengthens the immune system. In Acts 10 Peter received a revelation he might eat any food, or in any Gentile home, even if they did not keep a Kosher kitchen.

I prefer to avoid meat and dairy, but ate a whole foods plant based diets with a little seafood added some days.