STOP EXTREME GUN CONTROL BILL H.R. 127

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Things don't have to go down exactly like that for it to be considered a war, whether you call it a civil war or a revolution, things will not end well! Also, don't underestimate the number of militia groups in America and the fire power they possess.

Please. We seen them in at the capital. There nobody ,when the national guard is called. And I don't care about getting rid of guns.

 

[Danthemailman]

Please. We seen them in at the capital. There nobody ,when the national guard is called. And I don't care about getting rid of guns.

What you saw at the capital was just a small fraction and not all militia groups would have done that. There are people in the military and are ex military and the police force who are associated with militia groups. Plenty of them will only rise up when their rights are stripped and things really hit the fan.

 

[Direct Driver]

The problem here is that the citizens who represent the most serious ideological threat to a free government tend to be those who have the guns.

Your post caused me to check what country you were posting from. I was surprised to see it was the US.

As a US citizen myself, I pretty strongly disagree with that statement.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

What you saw at the capital was just a small fraction and not all militia groups would have done that. There are people in the military and are ex military and the police force who are associated with militia groups. Plenty of them will only rise up when their rights are stripped and things really hit the fan.

Keep lying to your self .The militia groups are brainwashed and a sad joke. And will be squashed quickly.

 

[Direct Driver]

Please. We seen them in at the capital. There nobody ,when the national guard is called. And I don't care about getting rid of guns.

You gotta ask how many of them were armed. My wife wanted to go to that event and I said we couldn't go because they have strict gun laws and I'm not going there unarmed.

I choose my battles, and that wasn't it.

 

[Danthemailman]

Keep lying to your self .The militia groups are brainwashed and a sad joke. And will be squashed quickly.

Squashed quickly? Keep lying to yourself.

 

[Direct Driver]

Keep lying to your self .The militia groups are brainwashed and a sad joke. And will be squashed quickly.

I tend to agree with you on that one. Well, I can't speak to ALL militia groups, but most of them I've seen interviewed seemed like weekend warriors that probably spend a lot more time playing Call of Duty than they will admit to.

There is an old phrase: Barking dogs never bite.

 

[Direct Driver]

Please educate me on what I might have missed.

Rape and sexual assault cases recorded by German police 2008-2019 | Statista

Seems like some of those women may have had a "need" to carry a gun.

This is why gun control in the US is so difficult: Feminists, normally associated with leftist issue, tend to be against gun control because, truth be told, there are a LOT of guns in feminists' purses. The reason is simple. The Gun is the great equalizer. Equality is a Good Thing.

 

[Direct Driver]

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[Direct Driver]

"omnipotent moral busybodies": This seems like the main demographic of this board. I'm not sure how a gun registration bill fits this.

Plus why should we care about the opinions of a writer of bad YA fiction.

Trying to take away people's second amendment rights for our own safety. The most blatant example is when they use "suicide by gun" figures to support their position.

Regarding his fiction, art is subjective. I understand a lot of people like it.

 

[Nithavela]

Rape and sexual assault cases recorded by German police 2008-2019 | Statista

Seems like some of those women may have had a "need" to carry a gun.

This is why gun control in the US is so difficult: Feminists, normally associated with leftist issue, tend to be against gun control because, truth be told, there are a LOT of guns in feminists' purses. The reason is simple. The Gun is the great equalizer. Equality is a Good Thing.

According to your link, in 2019 there were 9426 rapes and sexual assaults in germany. With a population of 83,517,045, that's 113 per million citizens.

In the same year, there were 459306 rapes and sexual assaults in the USA. With a population of 329,064,917, that's 1409 per million citizens.

In other words, there were more than 12 times more rapes in the USA than in germany.

Your argument may very well be the worst argument I've ever seen on this forum. Good job.

Source: Rape and sexual assault victims in the U.S. 2000-2019, by gender | Statista

 

[Yttrium]

It's funny, when I first noticed the thread title, I thought "look at the typical histrionics, it can't be anywhere near that bad". They want registration for all firearms? Sounds good to me. Then I saw this part:

“(A) the make, model, and serial number of the firearm, the identity of the owner of the firearm, the date the firearm was acquired by the owner, and where the firearm is or will be stored

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(B) ACCESS.—The Attorney General shall make the contents of the database accessible to all members of the public, all Federal, State, and local law enforcement authorities, all branches of the United States Armed Forces, and all State and local governments, as defined by the Bureau.

Yeah, that's not acceptable. They're going to have to change those parts. People shouldn't need to store the weapon in any one location, and they shouldn't have the location blabbed out to the public, allowing thieves to target them.

 

[98cwitr]

Germany currently has a "disarmed population", with gun ownership heavily limited by a persons need to own a gun, mostly either because they are sport shooters or hunters. It's been this way since the FGR was established. Nothing bad happened yet, afaik.

As this global sociopolitical phenomena unfolds, it does seem there is collectivist left-wing traction in Berlin these days. If this ideology were to take over, I assume it would do so with cheers from populists in Germany, but what would become of those opposed and dare I say, non-compliant? As they are already disarmed, with no means of forming any sort of meaningful resistance against their oppressors, I assume the only option is to flee.

The Senate has also recently unveiled a new marketing campaign for the city. The city’s new slogan, “From I to We!,” is identical to the slogan used in the communist German Democratic Republic to justify the forced collectivization of agriculture. Incidentally, the slogan used by the Nazi party’s youth organization (the Hitler Youth) was similar: “You are nothing, your people everything.”

Germany’s Road to Socialism

 

[Nithavela]

As this global sociopolitical phenomena unfolds, it does seem there is collectivist left-wing traction in Berlin these days. If this ideology were to take over, I assume it would do so with cheers from populists in Germany, but what would become of those opposed and dare I say, non-compliant? As they are already disarmed, with no means of forming any sort of meaningful resistance against their oppressors, I assume the only option is to flee.



Germany’s Road to Socialism

Or they could, you know, vote for parties that represent their values.

 

[Direct Driver]

According to your link, in 2019 there were 9426 rapes and sexual assaults in germany. With a population of 83,517,045, that's 113 per million citizens.

In the same year, there were 459306 rapes and sexual assaults in the USA. With a population of 329,064,917, that's 1409 per million citizens.

In other words, there were more than 12 times more rapes in the USA than in germany.

Your argument may very well be the worst argument I've ever seen on this forum. Good job.

Source: Rape and sexual assault victims in the U.S. 2000-2019, by gender | Statista

My argument was not about US vs Germany rapes. Rather, it was about violent crime (rape being one of the worst) in an area where gun ownership requires a "need". I would say protection of risk of rape is definitely a "need". And I'm sure many of those women in both the EU and the US wish they had guns at the time. That is my point. Guns are a very individual thing. And unless they were in one of those strong gun control areas like New Orleans of Chicago, the ones in the US probably could have had guns.

BTW, it sounds like a woman needs a gun in the US even more than in Germany.

 

[Direct Driver]

As this global sociopolitical phenomena unfolds, it does seem there is collectivist left-wing traction in Berlin these days. If this ideology were to take over, I assume it would do so with cheers from populists in Germany, but what would become of those opposed and dare I say, non-compliant? As they are already disarmed, with no means of forming any sort of meaningful resistance against their oppressors, I assume the only option is to flee.



Germany’s Road to Socialism

That's what a lot of German Jews did in the early to mid-1930's.

 

[98cwitr]

And I don't care about getting rid of guns.

Can you find empathy with those who are concerned?

 

[98cwitr]

That's what a lot of German Jews did in the early to mid-1930's.

Very true, but I think it's rather a piece of the American spirit to not flee from problems and adversity, but to deal with them head on.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

My argument was not about US vs Germany rapes. Rather, it was about violent crime (rape being one of the worst) in an area where gun ownership requires a "need". I would say protection of risk of rape is definitely a "need". And I'm sure many of those women in both the EU and the US wish they had guns at the time. That is my point. Guns are a very individual thing. And unless they were in one of those strong gun control areas like New Orleans of Chicago, the ones in the US probably could have had guns.

No, that wasn't your argument. But if you're going to argue that guns prevent rape, then the logical conclusion would be that a country with high gun ownership should have fewer rapes than a country where almost no one carries a gun. That's clearly not the case.

 

[Paulos23]

My argument was not about US vs Germany rapes. Rather, it was about violent crime (rape being one of the worst) in an area where gun ownership requires a "need". I would say protection of risk of rape is definitely a "need". And I'm sure many of those women in both the EU and the US wish they had guns at the time. That is my point. Guns are a very individual thing. And unless they were in one of those strong gun control areas like New Orleans of Chicago, the ones in the US probably could have had guns.

BTW, it sounds like a woman needs a gun in the US even more than in Germany.

Having a gun is not a magic power-up that keeps rapists away. It still depends on them getting their gun out when they realize they are being raped, which is hard when your hands are held.

Guns are not magic solutions, stop treating them like they are.