ARE ALL THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT?

[LoveGodsWord]

Brother, happy Sabbath! The morning you admit falls between the two evenings divides the two halves God called "day" and "night" as outlined below. The first dark-half of these two halves ends the first day of creation that began with the other light-half.

• from evening to morning is the dark-half that God called "night".
• from morning to evening is the light-half that God called "day".

Notice the above period of the night-half ending the first day from evening to morning of 12 hours of darkness because the first day began with the day-half of 12 hours of light that totals the 24 hours of the first day.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

God divides the first day into two equal halves God calls "day" and "night". Knowing how long one of the equal halves is tells us the other because they are equal halves based on the Earth's rotation on in its access. We have a direct quote about the length of the day-half that gives us how long the night-half is because they are equal halves of the first day. The first day is 24 hours because it has two equal halves of 12 hours.

Jesus answered, "Are there not twelve hours of daylight? Anyone who walks in the daytime will not stumble, for they see by this world's light. (John 11:9 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

You do know that the reckoning of the "hours" was not based on 60 minutes and no one had watches and alarm clocks in the days of Jesus right? In fact the hours of the day were determined by the shadows cast on the sun dial that was divided into equal parts to determine the hours of the day which were shorter or of longer duration depending on the time of the year...

"The concept of an hour is Egyptian. Originally in Egypt the sundial divided the daylight into 10 portions, plus two “twilight hours” (morning and evening), for a total of twelve portions. In Yeshua’s time the Romans also divided the sun’s shadow into 12 “hours.” According to this method, an hour was not 60 minutes long, as we think of it today. Rather, an hour was however long the sun cast its shadow between those particular marks on a sundial. Hours varied in length, being longer in the summer and shorter in the winter. However, what we need to see here is that while Yeshua used that term in the days of the Roman occupation (because people were familiar with the term), it has nothing to say about the way Yahweh originally defined a day as being a nighttime portion, followed by a daylight portion (and lasting for what today we would call “24 hours”).

Because some mistakenly believe the tem “day” can only refer to a 12-hour period of daylight (and not the 24 hours of night-and-then-day), numerous elaborate theories have been constructed about the calendar. Some of these include the belief that the day begins at morning, the belief that the day begins at noon, and the belief that Yom Kippur is actually two days long, etc. It is not our purpose to detail these theories here, but all of these many theories fall apart if we realize the term “day” refers both to a (+/-) “12-hour” period of daylight, and also to the 24-hour period of darkness and light that lasts from evening to evening." - Nazarene Israel

So you are wrong in your interpretation of a 24 hour period as we know it today of 12 literal hours of day and night. Even under today's understanding of time with minuets, and 60 minuets making 1 hour and 24 hours making one day depending on the time of the year and location both day length and night length vary throughout the year. So even in modern reckoning of time your interpretation of a literal 12 hours of daylight and 12 hours of night is wrong. So your wrong on both accounts. Wrong on the interpretation of time reckoning as to what Jesus was referring to in John 11:9 and wrong on modern day reckoning of time throughout the year.

As posted earlier you are wrong. The darkness does not end the day it is the beginning of the day according to the scripture.

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The Hebrew word meaning for "evening" ערב; ‛ereb; means night and "morning" בּקר; bôqer means; tomorrow (after night) or coming of daylight. Hence "evening to evening" or both the "darkness and the light" make up the day.

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Q1. WHEN DOES A DAY START AND END IN GOD'S TIME?

Genesis 1:1-5, [1], In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [2], And the earth was without form, and void; AND DARKNESS {darkness first} WAS ON THE FACE OF THE DEEP. AND THE SPIRIT OF GOD MOVED ON THE FACE OF THE WATERS. [3], And God said, LET THERE BE LIGHT: AND THERE WAS LIGHT {light second}. [4], And God saw the light, that it was good: and GOD DIVIDED THE LIGHT FROM THE DARKNESS. [5], And GOD CALLED THE LIGHT DAY, AND THE DARKNESS HE CALLED NIGHT. And the EVENING {evening and darkness came first} AND THE MORNING {morning and light came second} WERE THE FIRST DAY

A1. Darkness and Daylight are one day = Evening to evening = a day

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Q2. WHEN DOES SABBATH START AND END?

Leviticus 23:32 It shall be to you a sabbath of rest, and you shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, FROM EVEN {sunset} TO EVEN {sunset}, SHALL YOU CELEBRATE YOUR SABBATH.

A2. The Sabbath starts at evening darkness and end at darkness = Sunset to sunset or evening to evening.

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All of the scriptures dear friend agree with each other here and are in harmony with each other. The scriptures you ignore here dear friend shows your teachings are not biblical.

Hope this is helpful

 

[DamianWarS]

With this philosophy than that would apply to all of Gods commandments. Why would the Sabbath commandment be any different than lying, stealing or vaining His name. Are those not sins either?

These are moral laws, not to mentioned those are addressed before law in various accounts. The sabbath law is a ceremonial law and there is no support for it being observed before the law.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

These are moral laws, not to mentioned those are addressed before law in various accounts. The sabbath law is a ceremonial law and there is no support for it being observed before the law.

Your wrong. All of Gods 10 commandments are "moral laws" as they are the standard of right doing if obeyed (moral) and sin (wrong doing) if disobeyed. Go look up the word moral. Late my time now but I will be back latter to address some other posts of yours with scripture that are also wrong as well a little latter (by God's grace). 99

 

[DamianWarS]

God said it though.

Exodus 31 13“Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that youmay know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it isholy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.

perpetual means forever. The Sabbath is a sign of Gods people. Do you want to be one of Gods people?

Genesis 17:13
Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant.

What does everlasting mean? Yet where is circumcision today? Could these covenant signs point to something deeper that the physical?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Genesis 17:13
Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant.

What does everlasting mean? Yet where is circumcision today? Could these covenant signs point to something deeper that the physical?

"Circumcision" is a shadow law of the old covenant of the flesh pointing to a new heart by faith through the Spirit. It is fulfilled and continued as an everlasting covenant under the new covenant based on better promises. (see Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-36; Ezekiel 36:24-27; Deuteronomy 10:16; Deuteronomy 30:6; Jeremiah 4:4; 1 Corinthians 7:19; Romans 2:28-29; Galatians 6:15; Philippians 3:3; Colossians 2:11; Colossians 3:11). Gods salvation is from sin (breaking Gods' law) not continuing to live in sin (breaking God's law). Those who continue to live in known unrepentant sin will receive the wages of sin *Romans 6:23 because they reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing dispute to the Spirit of God's grace *Hebrews 10:26-31.

 

[DamianWarS]

Your wrong. All of Gods 10 commandments are "moral laws" as they are the standard of right doing if obeyed (moral) and sin (wrong doing) if disobeyed. Go look up the word moral. Late my time now but I will be back latter to address some other posts of yours with scripture that are also wrong latter. 99

Just saying im wrong doesn't make me wrong. This is just bullying. You need to logically make a case and this post is not following logic it's following personal bias.

The sabbath is ceremonial because the action is only valid one day a week (hence ceremonial) and the counter-action is not innatly wrong (moral code) and may freely be practiced on all other days. Something that is morally objective is valid all the time not just on special days.

If we are to call the Sabbath moral code then why isn't there a single example before the law of it being kept? Pre-law sacrifices are observed but keeping the Sabbath is not supported pre law.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Just saying im wrong doesn't make me wrong. This is just bullying. You need to logically make a case and this post is not following logic it's following personal bias.

The sabbath is ceremonial because the action is only valid one day a week (hence ceremonial) and the counter-action is not innatly wrong (moral code) and may freely be practiced on all other days. Something that is morally objective is valid all the time not just on special days.

If we are to call the Sabbath moral code then why isn't there a single example before the law of it being kept? Pre-law sacrifices are observed but keeping the Sabbath is not supported pre law.

I made a case, you ignored it. All of Gods 10 commandments are "moral laws" as they are the standard of right doing if obeyed (moral) *Psalms 119:172 and sin (wrong doing) if disobeyed *1 John 3:4. Go look up the word moral. Late my time now but I will be back latter to address some other posts of yours with scripture that are also wrong latter. All you did was quote you saying God's 4th commandment is a ceremonial law. (scripture please?)

 

[DamianWarS]

"Circumcision" is a shadow law of the old covenant of the flesh pointing to a new heart by faith through the Spirit. It is fulfilled and continued as an everlasting covenant under the new covenant. (see Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-36; Ezekiel 36:24-27; Deuteronomy 10:16; Deuteronomy 30:6; Jeremiah 4:4; 1 Corinthians 7:19; Romans 2:28-29; Galatians 6:15; Philippians 3:3; Colossians 2:11; Colossians 3:11). Gods salvation is from sin (breaking Gods' law) not continuing to live in sin (breaking God's law). Those who continue to live in sin will receive the wages of sin *Romans 6:23 because they reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing dispute to the Spirit of God's grace *Hebrews 10:26-31.

Who gives you athority to call one everlasting covenant a shadow law and another everlasting covenant universal law? Where are your sources?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Who gives you athority to call one everlasting covenant a shadow law and another everlasting covenant universal law? Where are your sources?

The bible. A shadow law is not abolished it is fulfilled and continued in the new covenant based on better promises.

 

[DamianWarS]

I made a case, you ignored it. All of Gods 10 commandments are "moral laws" as they are the standard of right doing if obeyed (moral) and sin (wrong doing) if disobeyed. Go look up the word moral. Late my time now but I will be back latter to address some other posts of yours with scripture that are also wrong latter. All you did was quote you saying God's 4th commandment is a ceremonial law. (scripture please?)

You stated your opinion, where are your sources?

 

[guevaraj]

The darkness does not end the day it is the beginning of the day according to the scripture.

Brother, according to the Scriptures, darkness ends the days of creation. It is a "human tradition" based on a misunderstanding of the Sabbath in Israel that forces the days in Genesis to end in light when they end in darkness. From evening to morning is the night-half because the missing day-half came before the night-half ends the first day. The days of creation are from morning to morning and not from evening to evening, as Israel remembers the Eden-Sabbath that falls in Israel between two days of the week.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[DamianWarS]

The bible

By the same athority I make my case. You need to go deeper than these answers.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You stated your opinion, where are your sources?

No I quoted the bible in regards to "circumcision" and how it is fulfilled and continued as an everlasting covenant under the new covenant and you chose to ignore the scriptures shared with you in post # 165 linked that disagree with your opinion you shared claiming that circumcision is not continued in the new covenant.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

By the same athority I make my case. You need to go deeper than these answers.

Not really you did not provide any scripture only your opinion that disagrees with the scriptures shared with you that you seem unwilling to address. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Brother, according to the Scriptures, darkness ends the days of creation. It is a "human tradition" based on a misunderstanding of the Sabbath in Israel that forces the days in Genesis to end in light when they end in darkness. From evening to morning is the night-half because the missing day-half came before the night-half ends the first day. The days of creation are from morning to morning and not from evening to evening, as Israel remembers the Eden-Sabbath that falls in Israel between two days of the week.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Your simply repeating yourself here without addressing anything in the post you are micro quoting from in post # 161 linked. Please keep on topic to this op now. All of your claims have been addressed through the scriptures and your only repeating yourself without addressing any of the content and scriptures provided in the posts that disagree with you. That being the case you are free to believe as you wish we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Who gives you athority to call one everlasting covenant a shadow law and another everlasting covenant universal law? Where are your sources?

God did when He both wrote and spoke His 10 commandments. Who gives anyone the authority to break up His everlasting covenant? God did not say He had 9 commandments, there are 10. Breaking one is like breaking them all according to scripture Mathew 5:19
Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Interesting the one commandment you are saying we should forget is the only commandment God started with the word REMEMBER. I believe He specifically choose this word by design.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

99 All thanks for the discussion. Will have to catch up latter after some rest

 

[DamianWarS]

Who gives anyone the authority to break up His everlasting covenant?

and what of circumcision?

one of the least of these commandments

you are conflating "these" with the 10 commandments. where does it say that? who gives you the authority to arbitrarily assign what commandments are valued and what are not?

Interesting the one commandment you are saying we should forget

I never said that once I just look to the Sabbath with a far deeper meaning.

 

[DamianWarS]

Not really you did not provide any scripture only your opinion that disagrees with the scriptures shared with you that you seem unwilling to address. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them.

I did not cite scripture but that is no reason to say it is not based on scripture. If you're confused I can go chapter and verse if you desire.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

and what of circumcision?



you are conflating "these" with the 10 commandments. where does it say that? who gives you the authority to arbitrarily assign what commandments are valued and what are not?



I never said that once I just look to the Sabbath with a far deeper meaning.

Well you do not have to value the only scripture in the entire Bible that is both written and spoken by God, but I do. God made a point to separate His laws by writing it with His own finger and spoke them with His own voice. Are you saying the only scripture written by God should not be important or special? That is your choice, but if the point of the Bible is to learn about God, I think what He writes and commands for us should be extra special.

Circumcision is not part of Gods commandments. Paul made a point of separating that and showing us what is important:

Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God is what matters.
1 Corinthians 7:19

In the end His commandments will separate us according to the scriptures

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

God defined His commandments and how they are referenced to in His 2nd commandment found in Exodus 20

4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that isin the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Read verse 6. God shows mercy to thousands who keep My commandments. He gave us this very clear verse so we know how His commandments are referenced throughout the Bible.