Help with Gal 4:10-11

[klutedavid]

Um, OK. What does this have to do with my post?

Because you follow the law and make the same mistake the Galatians had fallen into. The law is the earthly representation of the heavenly reality of Jesus Christ. That's what it has to do with your post.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Because you follow the law and make the same mistake the Galatians had fallen into. The law is the earthly representation of the heavenly reality of Jesus Christ. That's what it has to do with your post.

So you are lawless? What mistake am I making? I follow Yeshua so again you have no point...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Because you follow the law and make the same mistake the Galatians had fallen into. The law is the earthly representation of the heavenly reality of Jesus Christ. That's what it has to do with your post.

So are you sinless then? You break laws? Sin is the transgression of the law. Why then do you need grace?

 

[Carl Emerson]

So are you sinless then? You break laws? Sin is the transgression of the law. Why then do you need grace?

Folks who follow Jesus are not Lawless...

They follow the Law of the Spirit of Christ.

 

[klutedavid]

So you are lawless? What mistake am I making? I follow Yeshua so again you have no point...

A person living a life of love towards others is meeting the standard. All the law is summed up by loving your neighbor.

Galatians 5:14
For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Did you read that carefully, 'in one word', i.e., love.

 

[disciple Clint]

Sure commentaries are people that express their opinions. That is why the majority do not agree among themselves.

In the Galatian churches, open, unmasked error was supplanting the faith of the gospel. Christ, the true foundation, was virtually renounced for the obsolete ceremonies of Judaism. The apostle saw that if these churches were saved from the dangerous influences which threatened them, the most decisive measures must be taken, the sharpest warnings given, to bring them to a sense of their true condition. The apostle urged upon the Galatians, as their only safe course, to leave the false guides by whom they had been misled, and to return to the faith which they had received from the Source of truth and wisdom. Those false teachers were hypocritical, unregenerate men; unholy in heart, and corrupt in life. Their religion consisted in a round of ceremonies, by the performance of which they expected to receive the favor of God. They had no relish for a doctrine which taught, “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Such a religion required too great a sacrifice. Hence they clung to their errors, deceiving themselves, and deceiving others.

You may be familiar with this commentary. Ellen G. White Writings in Multiple Languages

As you can see the problem was not that they were returning to pagan practices, it was that they were receiving false teaching that they had to follow Jewish laws for the days and ceremonies.

 

[klutedavid]

So are you sinless then? You break laws? Sin is the transgression of the law. Why then do you need grace?

No one is sinless. All are fallen, all sin, there is no one who is good.

Mark 10:18
And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone".

Anyone who claims they don't sin is a liar.

1 John 1:10
If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

In the Galatian churches, open, unmasked error was supplanting the faith of the gospel. Christ, the true foundation, was virtually renounced for the obsolete ceremonies of Judaism. The apostle saw that if these churches were saved from the dangerous influences which threatened them, the most decisive measures must be taken, the sharpest warnings given, to bring them to a sense of their true condition. The apostle urged upon the Galatians, as their only safe course, to leave the false guides by whom they had been misled, and to return to the faith which they had received from the Source of truth and wisdom. Those false teachers were hypocritical, unregenerate men; unholy in heart, and corrupt in life. Their religion consisted in a round of ceremonies, by the performance of which they expected to receive the favor of God. They had no relish for a doctrine which taught, “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Such a religion required too great a sacrifice. Hence they clung to their errors, deceiving themselves, and deceiving others.

You may be familiar with this commentary. Ellen G. White Writings in Multiple Languages

As you can see the problem was not that they were returning to pagan practices, it was that they were receiving false teaching that they had to follow Jewish laws for the days and ceremonies.

True however we are not talking about the whole book of Galatians only Galatians 4:10-11 (see OP title also see post # 8 linked). Some were returning to paganism others were seeking to be justified by the words of the laws of the old testament.

 

[klutedavid]

True however we are not talking about the book of Galatians only Galatians 4:10. (see post # 8 linked)

The wider context can alter the reading of almost any verse in the scripture. To restrict the OP to just a few verses is a reckless way of understanding these verses.

 

[disciple Clint]

True however we are not talking about the book of Galatians only Galatians 4:10. (see post # 8 linked). Some were returning to paganism others were seeking to be justified by the words of the laws of the old testament.

And some were probably deciding they would start their own religion but that has noting to do with the Scripture.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The wider context can alter the reading of almost any verse in the scripture. To restrict the OP to just a few verses is a reckless way of understanding these verses.

Read what the OP title is. Does it say "Help with the book of Galatians?" or "Help with Gal 4:10-11". The immediate context was provided in Galatians 4:8-9. (see post # 8 linked).

The immediate context of Galatians 4:10-11 is Galatians 4:8-9, which is to Gentile believers returning to practices that they just came from before they knew God...

[8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? [10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS. [11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

See the scripture breakdown in post # 8 linked..

The Galatians were gentile believers so they could not be going back to seek God's forgiveness in sin offerings and participating in the feast days etc.. as they were not Jews to begin with but unbelieving pagan gentiles that did not practice the teachings of the old testament scriptures. It is also true that in the wider context of the book of Galatians, Jewish false teachers were trying to get the Galatians to follow the ceremonial laws of Moses as a requirement for salvation which is not biblical.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

And some were probably deciding they would start their own religion but that has noting to do with the Scripture.

Sorry Clint not sure of your point here but anything that does not lead us to believe and follow God's Word is another religion.

 

[disciple Clint]

Read what the OP title is. Does it say "Help with the book of Galatians?" or "Help with Gal 4:10-11". Context was provided. (see post # 8 linked).

That sounds very much like an attempt to avoid context, the point of the poster is that limiting the context to just what supports a specific view is not helpful for understanding the intent of the writer of Scripture.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Folks who follow Jesus are not Lawless...

They follow the Law of the Spirit of Christ.

Which is? So The Father's laws are different than the Spirit's and Yeshua's?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No one is sinless. All are fallen, all sin, there is no one who is good.

Mark 10:18
And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone".

Anyone who claims they don't sin is a liar.

1 John 1:10
If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

OK then...you DO break God's law.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

A person living a life of love towards others is meeting the standard. All the law is summed up by loving your neighbor.

Galatians 5:14
For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Did you read that carefully, 'in one word', i.e., love.

Which is in...THE TORAH! So you DO follow the law! So why then do rail against me???

 

[Carl Emerson]

Which is? So The Father's laws are different than the Spirit's and Yeshua's?

Ehhhh ???

Who said that?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Ehhhh ???

Who said that?

You are implying that by agreeing with david's remark that "Because you follow the law" implying that it is somehow a bad thing and by what you said in response...Yeshua said "I do the will of My Father"

 

[Carl Emerson]

I think it is better to ask what folks think, than to tell them what you think they think...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I think it is better to ask what folks think, than to tell them what you think they think...

Then explain why you agreed with his post and what you mean by what you said. I asked you what did you mean by following the "Law of the Spirit of Christ"