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[mlepfitjw]

God is so forgiving and merciful, that we do not even fully understand this completely other than what what we have experienced from him as believers.

God's will is to have every to come to the knowledge and truth of his son Jesus Christ.

Some have doctrines that say, not everyone can be saved.

Shoot even as Christians we do not even know if the afterlife even exist. We just happen to bank on it by belief.

My hope is what in what the Last Chapter of Revelation says; that there will people in the kingdom of God because of their belief, faith, and love.


There will people outside the kingdom of heaven, who are placed there because of their unbelief, no faith, and showing of no love.

Who is to question God?

Is God not very well capable of doing what is necessary for his will to be accomplished?

Some say no. Some say yes.

That depends on you and your own heart as a human being, alone with your faith in God, and the Lord Jesus Christ.


Be blessed, and may the grace of God be with you, and the peace of the Lord Jesus Christ as you rest in him!

 

[Saint Steven]

Which the unending age after the Final Judgment disproves.

How did you conclude that the age after the Final Judgment is "unending"?

Or put another way, what comes after that age? Are you claiming nothing comes after that age? That's one way to turn heaven into hell. Unending monotony. - lol

 

[Saint Steven]

Scripture = writings.

So the NT writings are not God-breathed?
So the revelation Paul received from Jesus Christ personally in the third heaven (2Co 12:1-5)
is not God-breathed?
I beg to disagree.

The canon didn't exist, but the writings did and were considered Scripture, as demonstrated by
1) Peter (2Pe 3:15-16), when he groups Paul's writings with "the other Scriptures" -- as well as by

2) Paul (1Tim 5:18) when he quotes Luke's writing (Lk 10:7--"wages"--found nowhere else in Scripture, only in Luke's writing) and links it with the Scripture of Dt 25:4 as authoritative, showing that the NT writings (e.g., Luke) were considered to be equal in authority to the OT Scriptures.

All Scripture is God-breathed. (2Ti 3:16)

Do you believe there are scriptures that did not make it into the canon? Why aren't ALL the writings (Scripture = writings) of the early church in the canon? The book of James almost didn't make it. Should that have been left out? Why isn't the Didache in the Bible?

 

[Saint Steven]

Ok. Demons also acknowledge who Jesus is.

Demons also came out from many, crying out, and saying, "You are the Christ, the Son of God!" Rebuking them, he didn't allow them to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ.
Luke 4:41

Does this mean they are also saved and will have eternal life?

Do they have knees to bow and a tongue to confess?

Anyone who has knees to bow and a tongue to speak, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (in the realm of the dead), will whole-heartedly, and without reservation, acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. No one can say that “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” you will be saved. Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. (the reason for the bodily resurrection)

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says,
“Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

Further reading: (Isaiah 45:23, Romans 14:11, Philippians 2:10, Revelation 15:4)

 

[Clare73]

How did you conclude that the age after the Final Judgment is "unending"?

Or put another way, what comes after that age? Are you claiming nothing comes after that age? That's one way to turn heaven into hell. Unending monotony. - lol

The NT teaches the age after the Final Judgment to be the blessed state with God and all the saints in the place he has prepared for us.
It teaches nothing else regarding post Judgment.

Unending blessedness in the presence of God with Jesus Christ will be bliss for those who love him with all their heart, soul, mind and strength.

So you're sayin' that won't be you?

Sad. . .very sad.
I may even miss ya'.

 

[Clare73]

Do you believe there are scriptures that did not make it into the canon? Why aren't ALL the writings (Scripture = writings) of the early church in the canon? The book of James almost didn't make it. Should that have been left out? Why isn't the Didache in the Bible?

You're gonna' have to ask the guys who did it.

But I can tell you this much, I can tell writings which are God-breathed from those which are not, as in some of the books of the apocrypha.

 

[Saint Steven]

The NT teaches the age after the Final Judgment to be the blessed state with God and all the saints in the place he has prepared for us.
It teaches nothing else regarding post Judgment.

Unending blessedness in the presence of God with Jesus Christ will be ecstasy for those who love him with all their heart, soul, mind and strength.

So you're sayin' that won't be you?

Sad. . .very sad.
I may even miss ya'.

The definition of "age" means each one has a beginning and an end. (thankfully) And each new age will follow the previous one. (obviously) Only God is eternal.

 

[Saint Steven]

You're gonna' have to ask the guys who did it.

But I can tell you this much, I can tell writings which are God-breathed from those which are not, as in some of the books of the apocrypha.

In that case, you should agree with me that a text has to be more than just a "writing" to be scripture.

I think the western/Latin church did a great job of choosing which books should be included. Kudos.

Saint Steven said: ↑
Do you believe there are scriptures that did not make it into the canon? Why aren't ALL the writings (Scripture = writings) of the early church in the canon? The book of James almost didn't make it. Should that have been left out? Why isn't the Didache in the Bible?

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Yeah, now there is a great mass of a whole four of us! Hold the fort, guys!!

Hang on, I count SEVEN: you, Steve, Laz, Marty Monster, Joe, me, and the HOLY GHOST.

On another view, everyone's a universalist, they just don't know it yet. Every nation, every soul.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Ok. Demons also acknowledge who Jesus is.

Demons also came out from many, crying out, and saying, "You are the Christ, the Son of God!" Rebuking them, he didn't allow them to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ.
Luke 4:41

Does this mean they are also saved and will have eternal life?

Of course. That's why they hate Jesus, because they LOVE THEIR SIN.

And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? (Mt 8:29)

Torment them with grace and truth, in the passion of the gospel of God's Salvation, what else?

 

[Shrewd Manager]

But what matters is if the Word of God written has any authority to you.
Does it matter if what you believe is actually true or not?
Are there consequences for believing untruth?
Are there consequences for willful blindness?

That's what's at stake here.

Have it your own way. I think myself rich but in truth am wretched and miserable, poor, blind and naked.

I hope to grow in grace and faith in a glorious god who waits thousands of years before revealing the hideous torments of eternal hell, while assuring those of us still with a chance that he died for us and therefore I deserve doom if I don't love him back.

Because that's apparently Bible truth, on the strength of a sprinkling of disparate scriptures taken out of context and dubiously translated.

Oh sister, puhlease.

 

[Saint Steven]

Hang on, I count SEVEN: you, Steve, Laz, Marty Monster, Joe, me, and the HOLY GHOST.

On another view, everyone's a universalist, they just don't know it yet. Every nation, every soul.

If @FineLinen and @Hillsage come out of retirement, that would make nine or more. (pretty sure we are forgetting some)

 

[Shrewd Manager]

If @FineLinen and @Hillsage come out of retirement, that would make nine or more. (pretty sure we are forgetting some)

Sure would. Also mkgal1.

 

[Saint Steven]

Have it your own way. I think myself rich but in truth am wretched and miserable, poor, blind and naked.

I hope to grow in grace and faith in a glorious god who waits thousands of years before revealing the hideous torments of eternal hell, while assuring those of us still with a chance that he died for us and therefore I deserve doom if I don't love him back.

Because that's apparently Bible truth, on the strength of a sprinkling of disparate scriptures taken out of context and dubiously translated.

Oh sister, puhlease.

Besides, the Word of God is Jesus. I think it is unbiblical to call the Bible "the Word of God". (capital "W") The book worshipers will object.

Clare73 said: ↑
But what matters is if the Word of God written has any authority to you.
Does it matter if what you believe is actually true or not?
Are there consequences for believing untruth?
Are there consequences for willful blindness?

That's what's at stake here.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Besides, the Word of God is Jesus. I think it is unbiblical to call the Bible "the Word of God". (capital "W") The book worshipers will object.

Bibliolaters?

Jesus is the Word, the logos, the aleph and the tav. He is the promise and its fulfillment (as in 'God gave us His word that He'd save mankind'). The seal of the promise in holy blood. And after Emmaus Road the scriptures are unlocked so we can find him on every page. It's the spirit that gives life. The Bible is inert without Christ.

 

[Saint Steven]

The Bible is inert without Christ.

Quote of the month nominee. - lol

 

[Clare73]

The definition of "age" means each one has a beginning and an end. (thankfully) And each new age will follow the previous one. (obviously) Only God is eternal.

Whose definition of age?

An unending age does not make it eternal.

In that case, you should agree with me that
a text has to be more than just a "writing" to be scripture.

Not exactly. . .a text has to be more than just writing to be Holy Scripture.

I think the western/Latin church did a great job of choosing which books should be included. Kudos.

Saint Steven said: ↑
Do you believe there are scriptures that did not make it into the canon? Why aren't ALL the writings (Scripture = writings) of the early church in the canon? The book of James almost didn't make it. Should that have been left out? Why isn't the Didache in the Bible?

 

[Clare73]

Have it your own way.

Actually, I prefer the NT way. . .

I think myself rich but in truth am wretched and miserable, poor, blind and naked.

I hope to grow in grace and faith in a glorious god who waits thousands of years before revealing the hideous torments of eternal hell,

"Hades" is not new to the NT.
The Jews of over 2,000 years ago believed in Hades, the place of fire after death (Lk 16:19-31).

"Hades" is not hell, the place of everlasting fire (Mt 12:32 18:8, 25:41, 46, Mk 9:43, Lk 3:17;
Rev 14:11, 19:2,3, 20:15, 21:8).
Rather, "Hades," a part of Sheol as is "Paradise," is the intermediate region of the lost
between death and Gehenna (Mt 11:23, 16:18, Lk 10:15, 16:23), used with reference to:
--the prophecy regarding Christ (his soul would not be abandoned to Hades--Ac 2:27, 31),
--that to which Christ holds the keys (Rev 1:18),
--personification as the temporary destiny of the doomed (Rev 6:8),
--giving up those who are therein (Rev 20:13),
--being cast into the everlasting Lake of Fire (Rev 20:14), while

"Paradise" (Abraham's bosom) is the intermediate region of the blessed between death and heaven.

A sequence emerges in the Scriptures regarding Hades:
it's a temporary holding place of agony and torment in fire (Lk 16:23-24, 28) for the lost until
the Final Judgment, when all mankind will receive from the Judge the sentences of their final destines,
which sequence would also correspond to "Paradise" of Sheol.

While everlasting "hell" is not a good word for temporary "Hades,"
nevertheless, "hell" is a good word for the non-ending fire of Gehenna
(Mt 5:22, 29, 30, 10:28, 23:15, 33; Mk 9:43, 45, 47; Lk 12:5).

while assuring those of us still with a chance that he died for us and therefore I deserve doom if I don't love him back.

The one who died for you is also the one who warns you of the consequences of rejecting him in unbelief (Jn 3:16, 18), like loving parents warning their child of the possible ravages of cancer from smoking.

Because that's apparently Bible truth, on the strength of a sprinkling of disparate scriptures

How many times does Jesus have to say it before it is true
(Mt 5:22, 12:31, 13:30, 18:9; Mk 9:45, 47-48; Lk 3:17, 16:24)?

Then there are also Mt 5:29, 30, 10:28, 12:32, 18:8, 23:15, 33, 25:41, 46; Mk 9:43; Lk 12:5.
Some 20 from the mouth of Jesus is not a "sprinkling of disparate" to those who love and believe him.

taken out of context and dubiously translated.

False. . .neither you nor anyone else has presented any such evidence regarding the above Scriptures.
(See posts #309, 310, 316, on p. 16).
Assertion without Biblical demonstration is without Biblical merit.

Oh sister, puhlease.

Any ole port in a storm. . .

 

[Clare73]

Besides, the Word of God is Jesus. I think it is unbiblical to call the Bible "the Word of God". (capital "W") The book worshipers will object.

It's the Word of God written, which does not mean the Word of God Incarnate.

So. . .God-breathed Scripture (2Tim 3:16) is not the Word of God written?

Interesting. . .tell it to Jesus (Mt 15:6).

The NT presents the Word of God Incarnate (Jn 1:14),
the Word of God spoken (Lk 5:1),
the Word of God written (Mt 15:6).

You're just full of ways to rewrite Scripture.
Maybe you should write your own Bible.

Clare73 said: ↑
But what matters is if the Word of God written has any authority to you.
Does it matter if what you believe is actually true or not?
Are there consequences for believing untruth?
Are there consequences for willful blindness?

That's what's at stake here.

 

[1213]

Of course. That's why they hate Jesus, because they LOVE THEIR SIN....

Interesting. So, you think no one goes to hell and is destroyed like in the scripture below indicates?

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt. 10:28