As riot raged at Capitol, Trump tried to call senators to overturn election

[Aryeh Jay]

Did the Governor Georgia, the LT. Governor and Secretary of State commit or abet election fraud?

Well, they are all Republicans, so I wouldn't put it past them after seeing what they are capable of.

 

[Dan1988]

You know what I find 'sus'?

How they always need 'more'.

It didn't sound like Trump and Co. needed all that much time when this first started. They had their press conferences, and they were certain that the courts would rule in their favor. No doubt.

Then the judges threw them out.

Then they had the audits and the recounts, and they were certain they would show the fraud.

Then all the recounts didn't show that. Some even widened Biden's lead.

Then they were sure - so sure - that the Supreme Court would end this all. 'If it gets to the Supreme, we win'. Rudy said that, in as many words. Heard it all over Parler. So much confidence, so confident.

And they failed.

Fail, fail, fail. Trump failed, over and over, and every time, it was always something else, always wanted something new, and when he got there he just failed again. It's easy to see the pattern - there's always going to be some excuse, some reason, something else they need, something they want to see, something that proves the fraud but they just won't show because they're hiding something and blah blah blah.

Two months of this is more than enough. Trump had his shot. He failed. Game over.

You might be satisfied with the whole process but half the world believes it stolen from President Trump.
We should all tread carefully while the wounded Tiger still has his finger on the nuclear button, he might just take us all down with him.

 

[lasthero]

You might be satisfied with the whole process but half the world believes it stolen from President Trump.

Half the world? I have a surprise for you. You ready?

There is a world outside of the United States.

Here’s another surprise.

Most of that world hates Trump, too.

 

[Dan1988]

Well, it's been over two months now.

Is it because there is no evidence ... or that trump's legal team and voter fraud investigators are complete incompetent idiots?

You know, with being as rich as he supposedly is, trump does seem to be a real penny pincher when it comes to hiring however many lawyers and investigators it would have taken to help him keep his job and keep him out of jail. If he was so convinced there was all this evidence just floating around, he should have had hundreds of lawyers and investigators scouring the land. But, no, he merely had Rudy and Powell and Wood regurgitate rumors they gleaned off of the right wing blogosphere. trump had better hope that you are right and SOMEBODY can find all of this evidence you speak of. Otherwise he might have to skip the country to avoid jail time.

Trump is a very small private player in this game. He is up against some very big fish, so he can't afford to buy justice. The only other way would be to drain the swamp and there's no way the big fish will every let him get away with exposing them.
He's not going down without taking some others down with him, watch this space.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Well, it's been over two months now.

Is it because there is no evidence ... or that trump's legal team and voter fraud investigators are complete incompetent idiots?

 

[Dan1988]

So how do you explain that AG Barr, investigating the "fraud" after Pres. Trump had asked him to do it, came back and said there was no massive voter fraud. He didn't state that he didn't have enough time, or that he lacked resources (he had both the DoJ and FBI, and could select people he trusted while keeping "deep state" agents out of the investigation), he flat out stated the fraud didn't exist.

This is what people are closing their eyes to -- it isn't just the courts that ruled against the Trump campaign, or the appeals courts that upheld the lower courts rulings against the Trump campaigns (many of them judges that Trump put on the bench); it also included state law enforcement (many of them Republican controlled), Republican politicians that were running the elections (like in Georgia, where the Governor and Secretary of State were both Republican and Trump supporters (at least right up to the point they couldn't find fraud); national law enforcement, Homeland Security (also under the control of Trump with Trump appointees looking for fraud) -- it's just a huge number of groups and people, many Republican Trump supporters -- that are all saying there was no fraud that changed the results of the election.

This case has more twists and turns than an Alfred Hitchcock Novel, I don't think there's anyway we can get to the bottom of it with our resources. It's obvious you get your facts from the main stream media like CNN, NBC etc. while I don't trust any of those.

The first victim in any conflict is the truth, and this case is a perfect example of that fact.

 

[Vylo]

I'm not sure what you mean or what your trying to imply. I'm sure your joking, but just incase your not, allow me to put you in the picture.
There's this thing called a crime, when a crime is committed the perpetrator covers his tracks just like a murderer buries the corpse in a swamp when he's finished with it.
Now when the victims relatives approach the police and tell them they know who the murderer is, the police usually investigate the suspect.
But in our case they demand to see the corpse and they demand video evidence and a full confession from the murderer and they demand all those immediately or they won't bother investigating the crime at all.
This deal may sound fair enough to you, but it smacks of corruption to me and 3.5 billion other global citizens.

This has to be a troll. Not even half our country believes there was fraud, let alone half the world, who, if you have been paying attention are welcoming Biden, hoping he will be a bit more stable than his predecessor who bowed to tyrants.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Trump is a very small private player in this game.

Indeed, Donald is a very small man.

He is up against some very big fish, so he can't afford to buy justice.

Never stopped him before.

The only other way would be to drain the swamp and there's no way the big fish will every let him get away with exposing them.

I don't think meaningless platitudes like "drain the swamp" are going to be much use to him now.

He's not going down without taking some others down with him, watch this space.

Most of the government, if January 6 was any indication.

 

[KCfromNC]

Free and open debate are crucial to a free society. If someone is telling a ridiculous story unsupported by facts then this should be evident in an open debate

It is. Notice all of the responses to posts like this pointing out that there's zero factual evidence of widespread election fraud and lots of evidence that the elections were fair and secure.

 

[Dan1988]

You said no one would do business with a communist country. China being among the leading economies and trade partners in the world disproves that claim. I said nothing about whether that is a good model to run a country or not.

That's right, nobody will do business with you anymore because you won't work for a dollar a day. So the only way for you to survive is to become a banana republic and devalue the dollar by 2000% then you will be able to compete against China and Venezuela

 

[KCfromNC]

Of course you haven't seen any evidence, were not dealing with petty thieves here. These are intelligent people with friends in high places.

We know it is a conspiracy because there's no evidence of it happening.

Uh, yeah, OK...

/backs away slowly, no prolonged eye contact

 

[lasthero]

He's not going down without taking some others down with him.

Yeah. His own party.

 

[KCfromNC]

The evidence of election wrongdoing is massive.

And yet for some reason, can't be pointed to by the people claiming it exists. Kinda like bigfoot - but at least we have blurry pictures of the furry guy.

 

[Joyous Song]

A self pardon would allow any president to commit any crime with impunity. If the SCOTUS were to decide that presidents COULD pardon themselves, then the situation could come up where a president loots the entire US treasury, sends it to some hidden bank account in some small corrupt nation willing to hide his money, and then pardon himself, thereby eliminating any chance of holding him to account for stealing all the money in the US.

I doubt that having a leader that is unaccountable for what he or she does as president is what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they decided that the US was NOT going to be a monarchy. And I don't think that replacing one kind of dictator with another kind of dictator is what they had in mind when the wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

Nixon would have love the idea of "elf pardoning.

 

[Dan1988]

75 million people are just parroting what right wing echo chambers are claiming. Neither these 75 million people nor these right wing echo chambers have access to the investigations, have access to the original material, have the expertise to investigate. The Mainstream Media report what election officers found who have access to all materials and have the expertise to investigate. These reports are much more coherent than what the right wing echo chambers produce.

But wait, we see no evidence because it was done by intelligent people?
What about all the affidavits then? What about the alleged videotape of suitcase from bellow a table? What about vans with extra ballots? What about pictures of alleged shredded Trump ballots?
We hear the right wing echo chambers shout for two months that there is massive evidence for fraud, and now all the sudden there is no evidence because it's done by intelligent people? Get at least your story straight.

I'm glad to see you have put your faith in the mainstream media and those intelligent people you appeal to.
I can't be convinced by those who are on the same pay roll. History shows us that most people will play along if the price is right and some will even sell their soul.
I just think it's a shame to close a case before the all evidence is exhibited.

 

[TLK Valentine]

This has to be a troll. Not even half our country believes there was fraud, let alone half the world, who, if you have been paying attention are welcoming Biden, hoping he will be a bit more stable than his predecessor who bowed to tyrants.

There is a historical, and indeed, even a biblical precedent for this kind of behavior...

Remember that Jesus was called "the Messiah," which, in Hebrew theology, was originally thought to be the one who would raise Israel back to power, smite its enemies, lead it to glory, etc., etc...

Only one problem -- Israel was firmly under Rome's boot when Jesus came, and his ignominious execution changed nothing. As a traditional "messiah," he was a bust. So his followers were forced to rethink and redefine what it meant to be "the Messiah," to fully understand what it was they saw in Jesus of Nazareth.

2000 years later, Donald comes along, promising to "Make America Great Again." Without necessarily explaining what was wrong with it in the first place, he promised that he and only he could save America from its ills. And much like The Other Fellow, he attracted great crowds of people praising his name. (Donald seemed fixated and obsessed on the size of those crowds... unlike The Other Fellow, who was content with twelve; anything beyond that was a bonus).

Now, too, Donald has come to an ignoble end... although I suspect some of his followers are expecting him to turn this around with some sort glorious resurrection, like The Other Fellow had. But until that occurs, Donald's followers are now in that awkward moment of rethinking and redefining what it was they ever saw in him... because remember, Donald has taught that admitting error is a sign of weakness which is to be avoided at all costs, so his followers can never admit they were wrong about him.

 

[Dan1988]

Reasonable demands were made. There was no evidence. And why do you want to insult all Republicans? Only about 40 million believe that the election was stolen.

OK I get it, according to you 40 million reasons is not enough. You obviously set the bar much higher than I would, to open an investigation. I guess it makes you feel safer, knowing we can't jump that high

 

[Dan1988]

Ah, I see that you didn't provide evidence that you haven't been killing kittens and puppies when pressed about it. Therefore, according to you, it's ok to say that you have been killing kittens and puppies. Many people believe so. Tens of millions, maybe hundreds. Who know how many, I don't know. But many believe.

So if the majority believe that Porky Pig exists, then he must be real right.

 

[Dan1988]

Pull the other one. Next you’ll be saying that that Air Force officer who got herself killed was a crisis actor.

ROFLMAO

Try to think outside of the box, and suppose I wanted to give you a bad name. Would I do something bad in my name or your's, there now I can see your smile. Your getting it now, bravo.
OK, my sense of humour is the best but I'm sure you'll forgive me.

 

[Speedwell]

OK I get it, according to you 40 million reasons is not enough. You obviously set the bar much higher than I would, to open an investigation. I guess it makes you feel safer, knowing we can't jump that high

There was an investigation, conducted by Trump's own hand-picked loyal Attorney General.