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Does faith justify? (I have an answer, but would like input.

Does faith justify?


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I am not in any way at all saying we should sin or that is perfectly OK to sin or be sinning in any way, shape, or form at all, etc, "at all", etc, but would just also like to point out that, the writer of that (Paul), also talked about "two wills" in us also, etc, and that it is possible for one of those wills to not at all be wanting to sin, but that the other one does, or can, or will, etc, and it puts a whole new "spin" on the definition of sinning entirely willfully or intentionally or not, etc...

And/or/but the real way to stop sinning altogether, is (it would seem) is for the one will that wills not to sin at all, to be made very much more stronger than the other will that does want to sin, and does sin often, etc...

And/or also and because, etc, cause this is also the tricky part also, etc, is that it cannot be self-will at all, etc, but has to be entirely God or God's will in you, etc, and all too many of us always resort to self-will in order to make the will that does not want to sin, overcome, or be stronger or better, etc, but the deception is that it is actually that self-will that is actually the will that is actually sinful, and actually wants to sin in actuality, etc, willfully, etc, which is why it is always so very "hard" when it/that (overcoming sin) is trying to be done by us that way (the way I just described, etc), the yoke seems very heavy and not light, etc, and it is heavy because that is not ever the truly right or truly successful way to ever do it ever, etc...

I mean, just think about it, your trying to make the will that does not want to sin stronger, only by only feeding the will that does want to sin actually stronger, etc, and just how do you think we're ever going to win or ever truly succeed that way, etc...?

But, yes, we are not supposed to be out to be sinning purposely or purposefully or quote/unquote "willfully" and intentionally, etc, however you want to define those things or see those terms, etc...

Most of us are just not going about it in the right kind of way at all though, and are only actually only going about it in a way that can never ever truly ever succeed, etc, and actually just makes things much much worse only, etc...

And, I'm still working on how to be truly successful and truly succeed, and succeed all the way and 100% totally and completely I mean, etc, but I see clear enough now I think to have seen or know this much thus far I think, etc...

I'll let you know how it is, or where it goes from here, etc, OK...

God Bless!
Some things that I am also learning about it right now, are things like. laying laying "self", and anything and all that is entirely self, all down, etc, and I do mean absolutely all of it, etc, and then after that, only filling yourself with only God only, and only His will, (and power, etc), in you only, etc, but I'm still working on it/this, etc...

Anyway, thought I'd add that part as to where I'm currently at just in case it helps anyone else, etc...

God Bless!
 
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Some things that I am also learning about it right now, are things like. laying laying "self", and anything and all that is entirely self, all down, etc, and I do mean absolutely all of it, etc, and then after that, only filling yourself with only God only, and only His will, (and power, etc), in you only, etc, but I'm still working on it/this, etc...

Anyway, thought I'd add that part as to where I'm currently at just in case it helps anyone else, etc...

God Bless!
And "everything self" is "a lot" to many of us right now, and for some of us it is even still yet all that we know right now as of yet still, etc, but I 100% guarantee you that if it is not all laid down, and put far, far away from you, you will never ever truly succeed in the area of sin and stopping sinning, etc...

Some say that is why the OT law covenant doesn't work, because it is all rooted in "self", and "self" only, etc...

Now I don't know for sure that is all truly is, but I also think there is also some, or a lot of truth to that at the same time also, etc...

It may depend on "how it is that you see it" maybe, etc... don't know that part for sure yet, etc...

But self-will and everything self is the bad will, that only is bad, and only wants to do only bad all of the time really, etc, and you will never truly succeed by only feeding it or just that only, etc...

And even if you succeed in stopping feeding it, then it also has to, at the very same time, also be replaced with something, like God, and God's will, and strength, etc, at the same time also only, otherwise you will not truly ever succeed (for a very long time) either, etc...

Anyway,

Hoping this helps somebody...

Cause I think this is "the way", and the true way...

God Bless!
 
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And "everything self" is "a lot" to many of us right now, and for some of us it is even still yet all that we know right now as of yet still, etc, but I 100% guarantee you that if it is not all laid down, and put far, far away from you, you will never ever truly succeed in the area of sin and stopping sinning, etc...

Some say that is why the OT law covenant doesn't work, because it is all rooted in "self", and "self" only, etc...

Now I don't know for sure that is all truly is, but I also think there is also some, or a lot of truth to that at the same time also, etc...

It may depend on "how it is that you see it" maybe, etc... don't know that part for sure yet, etc...

But self-will and everything self is the bad will, that only is bad, and only wants to do only bad all of the time really, etc, and you will never truly succeed by only feeding it or just that only, etc...

And even if you succeed in stopping feeding it, then it also has to, at the very same time, also be replaced with something, like God, and God's will, and strength, etc, at the same time also only, otherwise you will not truly ever succeed (for a very long time) either, etc...

Anyway,

Hoping this helps somebody...

Cause I think this is "the way", and the true way...

God Bless!
This all will, of course, take "faith" also, etc, which is probably why it is called a covenant of faith also, etc...

But I just automatically thought that was a "given", etc...

But just in case it wasn't, I just now told you it, etc, OK...

Takes walking by it, living in it/by it always, etc...

For without faith you won't be able to do any of this or anything, etc...

Has to be the very first thing you have, or the very first step in all of this, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!
 
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Sorry about that.
I re-read what I wrote and realized I could have said that in a more loving way.
Please accept my humble apologies.
I re-edited my post to be nicer.
Anyways, let’s please get back to the topic of the thread.

May God’s love shine upon you;
And good evening to you in the Lord.
Thank you very much and peace and the Lord's blessing always be with you.
 
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I am not in any way at all saying we should sin or that is perfectly OK to sin or be sinning in any way, shape, or form at all, etc, "at all", etc, but would just also like to point out that, the writer of that (Paul), also talked about "two wills" in us also, etc, and that it is possible for one of those wills to not at all be wanting to sin, but that the other one does, or can, or will, etc, and it puts a whole new "spin" on the definition of sinning entirely willfully or intentionally or not, etc...

And/or/but the real way to stop sinning altogether, is (it would seem) is for the one will that wills not to sin at all, to be made very much more stronger than the other will that does want to sin, and does sin often, etc...

And/or also and because, etc, cause this is also the tricky part also, etc, is that it cannot be self-will at all, etc, but has to be entirely God or God's will in you, etc, and all too many of us always resort to self-will in order to make the will that does not want to sin, overcome, or be stronger or better, etc, but the deception is that it is actually that self-will that is actually the will that is actually sinful, and actually wants to sin in actuality, etc, willfully, etc, which is why it is always so very "hard" when it/that (overcoming sin) is trying to be done by us that way (the way I just described, etc), the yoke seems very heavy and not light, etc, and it is heavy because that is not ever the truly right or truly successful way to ever do it ever, etc...

I mean, just think about it, your trying to make the will that does not want to sin stronger, only by only feeding the will that does want to sin actually stronger, etc, and just how do you think we're ever going to win or ever truly succeed that way, etc...?

But, yes, we are not supposed to be out to be sinning purposely or purposefully or quote/unquote "willfully" and intentionally, etc, however you want to define those things or see those terms, etc...

Most of us are just not going about it in the right kind of way at all though, and are only actually only going about it in a way that can never ever truly ever succeed, etc, and actually just makes things much much worse only, etc...

And, I'm still working on how to be truly successful and truly succeed, and succeed all the way and 100% totally and completely I mean, etc, but I see clear enough now I think to have seen or know this much thus far I think, etc...

I'll let you know how it is, or where it goes from here, etc, OK...

God Bless!

I was saying His yoke is easy and his burden is light as far as doing deeds you don't have to do earn or maintain salvation or anything else. But just doing them out of respect, love and worship.

Battling sin is difficult. One benefit in pushing 6O is that I've simply started losing interest in worldly things. Like lyrics of a song, "life goes on after the thrill of living is gone".
 
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I was answering a question someone asked about what free grace people had a problem with. I don't know for sure if it's a problem that actually exists in Lordship Salvation theology.

This video lays out the objection to it:


Here's another shorter free grace video:


I'm not a free grace proponent myself. I haven't made up my mind as to Free Grace vs Lordship Salvation.

I would recommend watching this video.

 
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From what I'm seeing Matthew 7:15-23 is talking about false prophets. 15 Beware of false prophets... 22... Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name ... 23 I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!

My take is the false prophets professed to work for Him, but they really didn't of course, so Jesus didn't know them. Their practice of lawlessness (also translated as iniquity) was being false prophets.

They did works in His name. Nobody wants to think of themselves as a false prophet. I believe that these were Christians who simply justified sin or iniquity. They had a false view of sin and salvation. They thought they could look at porn, or cuss, and or lie a little and they would be okay with the Lord Jesus and be in His kingdom because they believed in Him as their Savior, and they did some good work in His name. I believe this is why they are cast out. It was on account of their sin (or disobedience to God's commands) as to why they were cast out. 1 John 2:3 says, “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.” Sin is breaking of the commandment (1 John 3:4). 1 John 2:3 basically is saying that we know the Lord Jesus if we keep His commandments. This is why 1 John 2:4 says that the person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them.

“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” (1 John 2:4).​

What truth is not in them? Jesus. For Jesus is the way the truth and the life (John 14:6).
 
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I was saying His yoke is easy and his burden is light as far as doing deeds you don't have to do earn or maintain salvation or anything else. But just doing them out of respect, love and worship.

Battling sin is difficult. One benefit in pushing 6O is that I've simply started losing interest in worldly things. Like lyrics of a song, "life goes on after the thrill of living is gone".

We are also told to STRIVE to enter the straight gate (Luke 13:24).
This means narrow. We are to strive to enter the narrow path or way. Most believers today justify the idea that they can sin and still be saved. But God's Holy Word does not support this line of thinking.
 
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Even our righteousness is as filthy rags in the sight of God. No matter how obedient and righteous I am, I would be a filthy sinful mess in the sight of God, without the cleansing blood of Jesus. When the Father looks at me, He sees me as pure as snow, without a single blemish.

As for your mention of the words in Isaiah 64:

Well, Isaiah 64 says,

5 “Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.
6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.”​

Notice that in context in verse 5, God meets the person who rejoices and works righteousness. But then verse 5 says they have sinned. Verse 6 then says that their righteousness is as filthy rags. This means man made traditions and not the works of righteousness whereby God meets with them.

In other words, verse 5 is obedience to God's commands.
Verse 6 is talking about man made traditions.
So Isaiah 64 is not a point about how we can sin and still be saved.
 
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I was saying His yoke is easy and his burden is light as far as doing deeds you don't have to do earn or maintain salvation or anything else. But just doing them out of respect, love and worship.

Battling sin is difficult. One benefit in pushing 6O is that I've simply started losing interest in worldly things. Like lyrics of a song, "life goes on after the thrill of living is gone".

We have to read the whole counsel of God's Word. I believe that His burden is easy, but yet in another way it can be hard according to another place in Scripture.

Acts of the Apostles 14:22 says,
“Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.”

Jesus said,

“If any man will come after me, let him deny himself,
and take up his cross, and follow me.” (Matthew 16:24).
 
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We are also told to STRIVE to enter the straight gate (Luke 13:24).
This means narrow. We are to strive to enter the narrow path or way. Most believers today justify the idea that they can sin and still be saved. But God's Holy Word does not support this line of thinking.

Like I said, struggling against sin is difficult. Just like the narrow path through the woods is more difficult than the wide path.
 
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I was saying His yoke is easy and his burden is light as far as doing deeds you don't have to do earn or maintain salvation or anything else. But just doing them out of respect, love and worship.

Battling sin is difficult. One benefit in pushing 6O is that I've simply started losing interest in worldly things. Like lyrics of a song, "life goes on after the thrill of living is gone".
And I was just only putting "His yoke is easy and His burden is light" in the context of sinning and sinning only, in this context only, in this context anyway, etc, or in the context I just used it in anyway, etc...

Not that I don't think it can be applied to many other contexts or situations or examples though, as I think that is only part of only some of the beauty of God's Word, etc...

But doing all of everything you possibly can out of respect, honor, love, and in the case of God, "worship", is always, always good and very good always though, etc...

But I would strongly encourage you not to give up on the thrill of living until living is actually completely gone though, as I think that, at least for me personally anyway, I think I'd rather be dead already, and not even continue on living at all if that were ever the case for me personally, etc...

I don't plan on ever giving up on the thrill or excitement/passion, etc, of living, until every last bit of my living is actually gone, etc, and that is even for the life hereafter for me, etc, but I also don't think that's what any of it is ever really ever going to ever be like for me also, etc, no matter how old I get, etc, or how unable I ever become, etc, just don't think that will ever be in the cards ever for me anymore now ever, etc...

Anyway, don't ever give up on that man, OK...?

But also, you need to know you don't have to sin or be sinning to get or have it either, etc...

And, no offense or disrespect meant to you at all, but if you haven't figured that part out yet, then, in my humble opinion, you still have a long long way yet to go yet, etc...

I'm middle aged right now BTW.

God Bless!
 
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What I like about the idea of justification through faith alone and once saved always saved, is that the only motivation I have now to obey, seek righteousness, love and help others, do works; is purely out of love and respect for my Lord. Wanting to please Him.

That's what makes His yoke easy and His burden light.

My favorite kind of work to do is voluntary work where I don't have to do it and I'm not earning anything.

If they want to reward me with pizza and soda, that's fine, but that's not why I'm doing it.

Jesus agreed with the lawyer that to love God and to love your neighbor is a part of inheriting eternal life (Please read Luke 10:25-28). Paul said if any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema [i.e. accursed] (1 Corinthians 16:22). The way we are to love Jesus is by keeping His commandments (John 14:15). (Note: This is not keeping the Sabbath or the old laws or ways. This is following the commands that come from Jesus and His followers). Paul basically said that if any man speaks contrary to the words of Jesus Christ, and the doctrine according to godliness, he is proud and he knows nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4). James 4:6 says God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.
 
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Like I said, struggling against sin is difficult. Just like the narrow path through the woods is more difficult than the wide path.

“Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.” (James 1:12).
 
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I think the free grace people will point out that Matthew 7:20 is addressing false prophets ministers and teachers. The stereotypical prosperity televangelist comes to mind. Or the how to be a better you motivational guru masquerading as a minister.

And likewise continued in Matthew 7:22-23 (to paraphrase) "Lord Lord didn't I run around on a stage in my three thousand dollar suit making a big spectacle of prophesying and healing people and casting out demons in your name (while raking in lots of fame, prestige, and zillions of dollars)?"

And Jesus says "I never knew you". Not I no longer know you, but I never ever knew you. They had never been joined to Him. He had never abided in them. There had never been a merriage.

I think maybe this is another part of the Bible that ends up getting misunderstood and or misapplied as talking about the whole body of Christ, when it seems to obviously be singling out false prophets.

Just like I misapplied 1 Corentheans 3:15 to me, when it really only applies to teachers and ministers.

I notice how in Matthew 7:23 they say, have we not prophesied. Most Christians I know, including myself, do not prophesy, are not prophets.

All Christians agree with the prophecy of Scripture. If a Christian preaches God's Holy Word, they are preaching the prophecy of Christ's 2nd coming (Which is a prophecy). They are preaching the events in Revelation, which is a major prophetic End Times event.
 
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Why did Jesus say that He never knew them (Matthew 7:23)?

What is the iniquity that Jesus is referring to?

Everyone sins, so why were these folk disregarded by Jesus?

You cannot go by life experience. That would be walking by sight and not by faith.
Hebrews 11:1 says, “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.”
Looking to your life is not a proper way to build faith. Romans 10:17 says faith comes by hearing, and hearing the Word of God. Anyways, from Genesis to Revelation, we know that...

The Bible teaches that serious sin is separation from GOD:

[God said to Adam,]
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Genesis 2:17).

[Eve said to the serpent,]
"But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. (Genesis 3:3).

And the serpent said unto the woman,
"Ye shall not surely die." (Genesis 3:4).

"...she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked..." (Genesis 3:6-7).

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned." (Romans 5:12).

"For the wages of sin is death..." (Romans 6:23).

"But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear." (Isaiah 59:2).

“...whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.” (Matthew 5:22).

28 “But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.” (Matthew 5:28-30).

"But whoso committeth adultery with a woman lacketh understanding: he that doeth it destroyeth his own soul." (Proverbs 6:32).

“But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” (Matthew 6:15).

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21)

Important Note: If you were to look at 1 Thessalonians 4:3 you would learn that the will of God (i.e. the Father) is to be holy or it is our sanctification; And Hebrews 12:14 says, without holiness no man shall see the Lord.

“22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’” (Matthew 7:22-23 ESV).

“26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.”
(Matthew 7:26-27).

“15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matthew 7:15-20).

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins." (Hebrews 10:26).

"he that commits sin is of the devil." (1 John 3:8).

"everyone who does evil hates the light." (John 3:20).

"Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee." (Acts of the Apostles 8:22).

6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth.
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (1 John 1:6-7).

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:4).

"Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15).

"He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now." (1 John 2:9).

"In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." (1 John 3:10).

41 "The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers,
42 and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear." (Matthew 13:41-43 ESV).

“For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.” (Matthew 12:37).

"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).

3 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing,..." (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

"...God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble."
(James 4:6).

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." (Romans 11:21-22).

16 "There is a sin unto death..."
17 "...and there is a sin not unto death." (1 John 5:16-17).

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8).

19 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Galatians 5:19-21).

5 "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affe
ction, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them." (Colossians 3:5-7).

5 “...God;
6 ...will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law” (Romans 2:5-12).

“But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.” (Ezekiel 18:24).

9 “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. “ (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.” (James 2:17).

"And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 25:30).

“Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.” (Revelation 22:14-15).
 
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My take is even simpler than yours. Those people that used the name of the Lord, performed the same ministry as the apostles, in the name of the Lord. But it appears that they did not really believe in Jesus, otherwise Jesus would have known them obviously.

Everyone sins and no one is any better than anyone else, in God's eyes. So the iniquity or lawlessness that they practiced, was certainly not love from a pure heart. Anything that is not love towards others must be sin.

1 John 2:3-4 holds the key to understanding Matthew 7:23. 1 John 3:4 basically says sin is the breaking of the Law or the commandment. 1 John 2:4 essentially says that the person who says they know the Lord, and they do not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them. So those believers who did wonderful works in Christ's name were told to depart from the Lord because He did not know them on the account that they did not keep all of His commandments. They justfied sin and thought they could be saved in their sins. But can God agree with sin? Surely not. This is why they were cast out.
 
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Why did Jesus say that He never knew them (Matthew 7:23)?

What is the iniquity that Jesus is referring to?

Everyone sins, so why were these folk disregarded by Jesus?

Jesus said to two people to “sin no more” (John 5:14) (John 8:11).

Note: For the topic of discussion here, I am going to focus on how we need to sin no more in regards to overcoming mortal sin. I say this because the promotion of Sinless Perfection is not allowed in this section of the forums.
 
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We are also told to STRIVE to enter the straight gate (Luke 13:24).
This means narrow. We are to strive to enter the narrow path or way. Most believers today justify the idea that they can sin and still be saved. But God's Holy Word does not support this line of thinking.
Jesus also said that "His yoke is (always) easy, and His burden is (always) light", and also that some of the, which were back in those days, the "Pharisees", etc, were "loading up heavy burdens on the backs of men (or people who would listen to them) (and I assume, the ones that were trying to be doing things in the way that they (the Pharisees) were teaching or telling them to do them, etc) but that they themselves were, for one, not at all sinless or perfect, and for another, did not at all live the lifestyle, nor practiced what they theselves preached, and then for even another, were completely unwilling to even try to lift any of those burdens (that they were putting on, not just some people, but everyone, etc) with even one of their smallest or littlest fingers", etc...

In short, they were not teaching people the right or true or genuine ways or how to ever really truely and genuinely and successfully do them truly successfully right, etc...

Which I (with the Lord's help) am trying to correct or remedy, and/or justify, etc...

Anyway, just some food for thought, etc...

God Bless!
 
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