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Hi,
Does anyone know if bible prophecy says that a third temple will be built and if so, will it be built by the "Antichrist" in End Times?

Or is this just a common fallacy?

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There is nothing anywhere that predicts the building of a third temple.
 
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There is nothing anywhere that predicts the building of a third temple.
I agree with that! It probably comes from dispen - sensational -ism. I think it's the result of misinterpreting 2 Thes. 2 and Daniel 9.
 
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There is nothing anywhere that predicts the building of a third temple.
I suggest you blow the dust off you Bible and actually read what it says.

Zechariah 8:7-8 These are the words of the Lord of Hosts; I am about to rescue My people from countries in the East and West and bring them back to live in Jerusalem. They will be My people and I shall be their God, in faithfulness and justice.

The Land cleansed, His faithful Christian people gathered and settled in the Land. Back to Jerusalem: the place of origin for our Christian faith.


Zechariah 8:9 These are the words of the Lord of Hosts; Take heart, all you who now hear that the Temple is to be rebuilt as the prophets foretold. [Zechariah 6:15, Haggai 2:6-9, +]

There WILL be a new Temple in Jerusalem. The Anti-Christ will desecrate it; 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and John sees it in Revelation 11:1
 
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I suggest you blow the dust off you Bible and actually read what it says.

Zechariah 8:7-8 These are the words of the Lord of Hosts; I am about to rescue My people from countries in the East and West and bring them back to live in Jerusalem. They will be My people and I shall be their God, in faithfulness and justice.

The Land cleansed, His faithful Christian people gathered and settled in the Land. Back to Jerusalem: the place of origin for our Christian faith.


Zechariah 8:9 These are the words of the Lord of Hosts; Take heart, all you who now hear that the Temple is to be rebuilt as the prophets foretold. [Zechariah 6:15, Haggai 2:6-9, +]

There WILL be a new Temple in Jerusalem. The Anti-Christ will desecrate it; 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and John sees it in Revelation 11:1
Zechariah mentions the millennial temple because the LORD resides there...

Thus saith the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem:

Verse 8 pretty much proves it...

And I will bring them, and they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God, in truth and in righteousness.

There are issues with 2Thes, 2:4. It all comes down to a study about the words God/god and the word Temple which often implies a heathen shrine.
 
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I suggest you blow the dust off you Bible and actually read what it says.

Zechariah 8:7-8 These are the words of the Lord of Hosts; I am about to rescue My people from countries in the East and West and bring them back to live in Jerusalem. They will be My people and I shall be their God, in faithfulness and justice.

The Land cleansed, His faithful Christian people gathered and settled in the Land. Back to Jerusalem: the place of origin for our Christian faith.


Zechariah 8:9 These are the words of the Lord of Hosts; Take heart, all you who now hear that the Temple is to be rebuilt as the prophets foretold. [Zechariah 6:15, Haggai 2:6-9, +]

There WILL be a new Temple in Jerusalem. The Anti-Christ will desecrate it; 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and John sees it in Revelation 11:1

Zechariah was written during the Babylonian exile and prophesied the return of the captives to Jerusalem and the building of the second temple.
 
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Zechariah was written during the Babylonian exile and prophesied the return of the captives to Jerusalem and the building of the second temple.
Preterist rubbish!
Just read Zechariah 8:7-9 and see how that prophecy cannot be about the few Jews who returned from Babylon.
Not much faithfulness and justice there then and still not today.
 
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Jesus is our everything! He is the Temple.
Correct; for now, but the Bible is clear- there will be a new Temple and Jesus will Return into it and reign from it. Psalms 110:2-4, Isaiah 60:13
 
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Correct; for now, but the Bible is clear- there will be a new Temple and Jesus will Return into it and reign from it. Psalms 110:2-4
What would be the purpose of a future, earthly Temple?
 
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What would be the purpose of a future, earthly Temple?

There wont be a 3rd man made temple.

Animal sacrifices disappeared when the new Covenant was born with Jesus.
 
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Hi,
Does anyone know if bible prophecy says that a third temple will be built and if so, will it be built by the "Antichrist" in End Times?

Or is this just a common fallacy?

Thank you for any info!

Appreciate it
This is a lot to take in but here is the comprehensive answer, without telling you whether or not the idea is a fallacy:

The belief that the A/C will seat himself up in the "third temple" which the Jews might build in Jerusalem comes from the way many Christians understand these verses of scripture:

* Daniel 9:27;
* Matthew 24:15;
* 2 Thessalonians 2:4; and
* Revelation 11:1-2,

Here follows a very important fact regarding the temple spoken of in the New Testament verses in the above list that most Christians are unaware of-:

The Greek New Testament uses two words for "temple" when referring to the temple in Jerusalem, one of which (Greek: naos) refers to the holy place & most holy place of the temple in Jerusalem; and the other one (Greek: hieron) referring to the outer courts and buildings, and the entire temple precincts:

(Strong's Greek Dictionary's definitions of the two words):-

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The word naos, referring to the holy place is used in the following verses, which all refer either to the holy place or most holy place of the temple in Jerusalem, or to the body of Christ, the church, and the temple of God in heaven:

Naos.png


An important fact that is missed is this:

Naos after the tearing of the veil.png


Unlike the word naos, the word referring to the temple structure and precincts continues to be used in the Greek New Testament throughout, in all references to the temple in Jerusalem:

Hieron.png


If we dig deeper into which "temple" is meant in Revelation 11:1-2, the following facts come to light:

A. Rev.11:2 links the outer court of the same temple spoken of in verse 1, to the holy city:

The holy city: Rev.21:2 & 10 and Rev.22:19 call new Jerusalem (the city in heaven), the holy city.

B. Sodom and Egypt: Rev.11:8 calls Jerusalem on earth "Sodom and Egypt",

So the first question arises:

Is it likely that Revelation chapter 11 will call Jerusalem which exists on earth both the holy city AND Sodom and Egypt?

C. Rev.11:2 links the outer court of the same temple spoken of in verse 1, to the holy city:

"And a reed like a rod was given to me. And the angel stood, saying, Rise up and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and those who worship in it. But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it was given to the nations. And they will trample the holy city forty-two months." (Rev.11:1-2).

D. Very importantly, the Greek word naos is used for "temple" in verses 1 & 2.

E. Daniel prophesied that the final world ruler will overcome the saints:

"And he shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and plot to change times and laws. And they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and one-half time." (Dan.7:25) .

F. Revelation chapter 13 (Rev.13:7) tells us that the beast that rises from the bottomless pit will make war against the saints and overcome them, and will be given authority to rule for forty-two months ("a time, times and a half a time"); and Revelation 11 tells us that when "the two witnesses" complete their testimony, the same beast will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them.

So the second question is:

Since the Revelation calls New Jerusalem the holy city, and Jerusalem on earth "Sodom and Egypt", and since Rev.11:2 links the outer court of the same temple spoken of in verse 1, to the holy city, and since Revelation 11:1-2 use the word "naos" for temple, does it seem likely that it's talking about a physical temple in Jerusalem on earth? Or is Revelation 11:1-2 symbolically saying that John was told to count the sheep in the Lord's flock - the holy city, and in the Lord's temple - naos?

The Temple of the man of sin: The man of sin in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 is also called "the son of perdition". The only other person in the New Testament who received that title was Judas Iscariot, the traitor and betrayer who all the other apostles and disciples considered a trusted follower of Jesus and one of His inner circle. Only Jesus knew Judas was going to betray Him.

2 Thessalonians 2:4 uses the word naos when speaking of the temple this man of sin will seat himself up in.


So the the third question is:

Therefore since following the verses speaking about the tearing of the veil, the word naos is only used in reference to saints as the temple of God, the congregation of saints as the temple of God and in reference to the temple in heaven, why would the Abomination of Desolatation mentioned in Matthew 24:15 be speaking about a physical temple in Jerusalem that may or may not be built by the Jews in our day?

The first problem that arises:

All of Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13 seem to be talking about the destruction of Jerusalem which occurred in 70 A.D - yet the passages all close with speaking about the end of the Age and the return of Christ, making it even more difficult to ascertain if the Abomination of Desolation (AOD) of Matthew 24:15 appeared between 30 A.D and 70 A.D, or if it will appear at the end of the Age.

This question opens another can of worms because many Christians (including myself) believe that Daniel 9:24-27 were fulfilled by the coming of Christ, whereas others believe that Daniel 9:27 will only be fulfilled at the end of this Age, and these people normally link Daniel 9:27 to the scriptures mentioned at the start of this: Matthew 24:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:4; and Revelation 11:1-2.

So those who believe that Daniel 9:27 has not yet been fulfilled will normally believe in this physical temple in Jerusalem - BUT most of them are unaware of the hieron/naos Greek words for temple and the fact that the last time naos is used in reference to the temple in Jerusalem is at the time of the tearing of the veil.

Complicated enough?
 
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Mathew 24:15.
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

They also use 2 Thes. 2:4. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The holy place in Mathew 24:15 is not the Holy of Holies but simply the entire area surrounding temple.
According to Strong's...

1) place, any portion or space marked off, as it were from surrounding space
a) an inhabited place, as a city, village, district
a place (passage) in a book
2) metaph.
a) the condition or station held by one in any company or assembly
opportunity, power, occasion for acting

In Acts 6:13, Acts 21:28, and Mt. 24:15 two words are used for holy place (hagios and topos). Those two words indicate 'the entire temple area'.

Acts 6:13 And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law:

Acts 21:28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all [men] every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.

The temple AREA is what's mentioned in all of the verses above. Not the inner court.

The only two places the Holy of Holies "one word" is used in the NT is Hebrews 9:25 and 9:12. It's clear that when one word is used for Holy-place "hagion," it means the Holy of Holies.
 
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There wont be a 3rd man made temple.

Animal sacrifices disappeared when the new Covenant was born with Jesus.
Yes Lost4words, I know, but our friend keras likes to claim that if you disagree with him you must not 'read your bibles.' lol
 
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Zechariah 14:16-21 is the answer. It proves that there will be a future new Temple in Jerusalem.

Only by 'your' interpretation though. ;)
 
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Zechariah 14:16-21 is the answer. It proves that there will be a future new Temple in Jerusalem.
No, no it doesn't. One scripture isn't enough to prove your system. The church, aka the Body of Christ, fulfills this idea. Eph. 2:21

What is the purpose of the Temple in your system? Why does it need to be rebuilt?

Thanks,

jm
 
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