Urging that Christian schools lose accreditation

[Danthemailman]

Ah yes, the right to oppress LGBT folks is equivalent to the right not to be oppressed. What hypocrites!

I do not oppress them. I have a nephew who is in that group and he is radical towards Christians, yet my wife and I and the rest of the family have not oppressed him. He doesn’t want anything to do with us or the rest of us in the family who are Christians. He posts a lot of hateful remarks on Facebook about Christians.

 

[essentialsaltes]

National level accreditation governing bodies -

National accreditors

Ugh. They are national organizations, not government ones.

 

[gaara4158]

I do not oppress them. I have a nephew who is in that group and he is radical towards Christians, yet my wife and I and the rest of the family have not oppressed him. He doesn’t want anything to do with us or the rest of us in the family who are Christians. He posts a lot of hateful remarks on Facebook about Christians.

Nor are you oppressed when national accreditation is denied to institutions that do not meet those acceeditors’ standards. Yet here you are, complaining.

 

[Danthemailman]

Sometimes I wonder why we call this “Christian” Forums.

 

[gaara4158]

Sometimes I wonder why we call this “Christian” Forums.

You’re welcome to stay in the Christians-only sections. This is not a safe space for your beliefs.

 

[NotreDame]

LGBT group urges Biden to strip accreditation of Christian schools with biblical beliefs

"LGBT group urges Biden to strip accreditation of Christian schools with biblical beliefs"

In this case "Biblical beliefs" might be a reference to not cutting Lev 18, Rom 1 and 1 Cor 6 out of the Bible.

Or it could be something else... who knows?

Losing accreditation is not only to threaten the jobs of teachers at those schools it is also to threaten the jobs of any student that dares to graduate from that school.

The liberal minded everyone-welcome "inclusive nature" of such proposals is hard to imagine.

And doing so would be unconstitutional.

 

[NotreDame]

Tough — you can’t just teach whatever you want and still be taken seriously as an institution.

But that’s not the issue.

 

[NotreDame]

And they can do that. They’re just not entitled to credentials funded by my tax dollars with their bigoted message.

To the contrary, legally they are, constitutionally they are, it is a little unknown clause called free speech and free exercise of religion in the 1st Amendment. When the University of Virginia attempted to defund money for a school publication because of a specific religious belief, the school was smacked around by SCOTUS for speech discrimination. Ouch.

And your tax dollars become government property, the dollars aren’t your own at that point. Which is why taxpayers legally cannot object to the government spending taxpayers dollars in a manner they disapprove. To do otherwise would paralyze the government, turning each taxpayer into a tyrannical mini-king who can thwart any government spending that disgusts them.

Your comment is pleasant in fiction, no basis in reality, for good reason.

 

[seeking.IAM]

With Biden naming a teachers' union member to be Secretary of Education, and given also the furious opposition to the current Secretary simply because she values private education and charter schools...

...And because she's not an educator and bought her appointment with a pile of cash in campaign donations. So, there is that.

 

[gaara4158]

But that’s not the issue.

Yes it is.

To the contrary, legally they are, constitutionally they are, it is a little unknown clause called free speech and free exercise of religion in the 1st Amendment.

1st amendment has nothing to do with national accreditation for substandard institutions.

And your tax dollars become government property, the dollars aren’t your own at that point. Which is why taxpayers legally cannot object to the government spending taxpayers dollars in a manner they disapprove.

Of course they can. It’s called voting, protesting, and being generally politically active. Like you said, we have freedom of speech.

 

[Albion]

...And because she's not an educator and bought her appointment with a pile of cash in campaign donations. So, there is that.

She has been a longtime supporter of education and educational reform. It has never been a prerequisite for nomination to the post of Secretary of Education for the person to be a teacher himself or herself.

 

[seeking.IAM]

She has been a longtime supporter of education and educational reform. It has never been a prerequisite for nomination to the post of Secretary of Education for the person to be a teacher himself or herself.

I have a longtime interest in money, but it doesn't make me qualified to lead the Federal Reserve.

 

[Albion]

I have a longtime interest in money, but it doesn't make me qualified to lead the Federal Reserve.

Then you probably won't be nominated for that post yourself. But as for Secretaries of Education, there have been others who were not classroom teachers, so this is not a valid complaint against Betsy DeVos.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sometimes I wonder why we call this “Christian” Forums.

This part of the forum exposes you to the real world. You can see if your arguments hold water here.

 

[seeking.IAM]

Then you probably won't be nominated for that post yourself. But as for Secretaries of Education, there have been others who were not classroom teachers, so this is not a valid complaint against Betsy DeVos.

Do you think her family giving millions to POTUS and other Republican politicos was not a factor in her appointment?

 

[Danthemailman]

This part of the forum exposes you to the real world. You can see if your arguments hold water here.

The world views of a Christian and an atheist are polar opposites. Moving on from this part of the forum...

 

[Gene2memE]

The world views of a Christian and an atheist are polar opposites.

Not really, at least in the case of this atheist anyway.

The number of significant beliefs about the world that I had to revise during my deconversion from Roman Catholicism were pretty minimal. Certainly nothing in the realm of the sciences, and very little in my social or cultural beliefs and practices (beyond the blaringly obvious like stopping attending church). Nothing at all in my political views either.

Essentially, I started treating Christian beliefs in the same manner that I had approached those other religions when I was a believer - they were fine for some people, but not for me thanks.

 

[FireDragon76]

A lot of Christians claim they have the human right to educate their students and get jobs... as it turns out.

That doesn't mean society has to recognize such education. We are free to reject Christian diploma mills and indoctrination as being a sufficient education.

 

[Danthemailman]

Not really, at least in the case of this atheist anyway.

The number of significant beliefs about the world that I had to revise during my deconversion from Roman Catholicism were pretty minimal. Certainly nothing in the realm of the sciences, and very little in my social or cultural beliefs and practices (beyond the blaringly obvious like stopping attending church). Nothing at all in my political views either.

Essentially, I started treating Christian beliefs in the same manner that I had approached those other religions when I was a believer - they were fine for some people, but not for me thanks.

I was born and raised in the Roman Catholic church, but was not a genuine believer until I received Christ through faith after leaving the Roman Catholic church. How you define "believer?"

 

[Gene2memE]

Someone who accepted the existence of the God of Abrahamic traditions, and the claim that around 2000 years ago part of the triune God was incarnated on earth, held a ministry and gathered a group of followers in a small part of the Levant and was then sacrificed in an act of vicarious redemption.

Was I a biblical literalist? Not in the slightest. For either the Old or the New testaments.

Was I an active believer? Yes. I was genuinely convinced that a God existed and sincerely believed.

What changed was an informal process of educating myself in the areas of philosophy, logic and skepticism/critical thinking. That led me to a place where I realised that I had no justifications for accepting the things that I did concerning my religious beliefs. On examination, I couldn't support them so I dropped them.

And I always though "faith" was a terrible reason to believe anything. Even as a young schoolboy, that struck me as entirely the wrong way of going about things.