Fired for not wearing a Pride Shirt.

[Speedwell]

Well you can put me down and tell me my opinion is an insult to others but thats not being very gentle and kind on your part, is it?

I dont follow the media that much. I listen to alot of pastors like Tony Evans, John MacArthur, David Jeremiah, and Mike Minters from the Reston Bible church. I put more value in what they say as leaders then what CNN or Fox says. A few of them have been preparing their listeners for whats coming here in America

So what kind of persecution are they teaching you to expect?

 

[loveofourlord]

Thing about it is that there now exists a type of Social Marxism...
Where those holding to traditional moral values have become subservient to those with deviation from moral values.

The very people who used to be arrested and incarcerated for moral turpitude are now in control (socially at least).

You have a right to have your moral values, you don't have a right to be a jerk about it. If she did indeed was rude and unfriendly to her fellow employee's then she should be fired, just as if I was rude and hostile to my Chrsitian fellow employee's. Thinking your right doesn't give you the right to be a jerk and expect to be paid.

Christians got to stop acting like having sincerely held religious beliefs allow them to be jerks or worse without consequence. Religious beliefs should not be an excuse to break laws or ignore ethical behavior.

 

[Aaron_Bethlhm]

Starbucks barista says she was fired for refusing to wear Pride shirt

In her wrongful termination suit, Betsy Fresse said wearing a shirt in support of the LGBTQ community would be a “contradiction to her religious beliefs.”

Good for her. Bad for those who crucified ,,,, er, fired, her.
I'm not knowing if she should have sued though, or even if she should have complained.... Did Jesus complain when He was fired.... er, crucified ?

 

[Aaron_Bethlhm]

Religion is too.

(side note)
Religion may be a protected class, but truth is not. Truth is hated worldwide, even in religion, and religion most often promotes and teaches things that are not even close to truth.

 

[gaara4158]

But they are.

That's the whole point of stacks and stacks of laws that prohibit discrimination in employment. If the employer refuses to hire or chooses to fire on the basis of his own values, the laws generally protect the employee.

Generally speaking and to cite just one example, you cannot discriminate against a Muslim or force him to dress in a way that violates his own religion, but when it's an Evangelical Christian, well, you know.

Well, if the bigot manages to keep their bigotry to themselves, employers are not presented with any bigotry on which to base termination. Identity-based intolerance is not itself a protected category of beliefs.
No one forced this woman to wear anything, so you’ll have to provide an example of that ever happening to an evangelical Christian before I can “know” what you’re suggesting.

 

[gaara4158]

Do they have that policy?

Implicitly, it appears they do.

 

[98cwitr]

(side note)
Religion may be a protected class, but truth is not. Truth is hated worldwide, even in religion, and religion most often promotes and teaches things that are not even close to truth.

This is quite true, but truth is protected within that inalienable right. We just have to have the confidence to speak it.

 

[Albion]

Oh, do tell? What are my intentions Albion? I'm part of that force so what is it I have made clear?

No kidding? What was your capacity in the Biden campaign--millionaire financial backer, campaign director for some state, member of Congress or of the DNC? We could hardly be faulted for not guessing it in the absence of any information from you.

 

[Aaron_Bethlhm]

This is quite true, but truth is protected within that inalienable right. We just have to have the confidence to speak it.

No. Truth is not protected on earth, in the world, in politics, or in religion, or anywhere I know, other than in small groups of Ekklesia, and a few humble folk here and there.

 

[RDKirk]

Social Marxism may be beyond your comprehension. Do you really understand the term?

Well, Marxism is

Good for her. Bad for those who crucified ,,,, er, fired, her.
I'm not knowing if she should have sued though, or even if she should have complained.... Did Jesus complain when He was fired.... er, crucified ?

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

Good. Companies shouldn’t be required to employ bigots. From the article:

“According to her notice of separation, when she was handed a Pride shirt — which Starbucks maintains employees were not required to wear — Fresse said she didn’t want to wear it and that her co-workers “need Jesus.””

If what she has stated and what the company has stated are accurate I think this will get thrown out. The company explicitly stated she did not have to wear the shirt. She's suing for wrongful termination for not wearing the shirt. Those don't jive. If that were actually the case I would be on her side. No one should be forced to support or condone anything they don't agree with to maintain employment, but I think the company terminated for her attitude and response to the whole thing and doubling down by implicitly condemning her coworkers.

 

[loveofourlord]

depending on her actions this could easily fall under captive audience doctrine.

Funny how time and time again we hear these, "I was arrest or fired for speaking out against gays." when you look into it it goes beyond just talking about it and actually against the law for harassment or captive audience issues or such.

 

[Belk]

No kidding? What was your capacity in the Biden campaign--millionaire financial backer, campaign director for some state, member of Congress or of the DNC? We could hardly be faulted for not guessing it in the absence of any information from you.

Why is that relevant? I am part of the force that got Biden elected. What is my clear intention? What is the clear intention of the others you listed?

 

[Albion]

Well, if the bigot manages to keep their bigotry to themselves, employers are not presented with any bigotry on which to base termination..

But that is apparently not the situation here. The "bigotry" (translation, religious convictions) were not imposed by this employee. On the contrary, it was management insisting that the employee advertise her personal support for beliefs that are contrary to her religious faith.

 

[Speedwell]

But that is apparently not the situation here. The "bigotry" (translation, religious convictions) were not imposed by this employee. On the contrary, it was management insisting that the employee advertise her personal support for beliefs that are contrary to her religious faith.

How did they insist? They claim that they did not insist that she wear the shirt.

 

[98cwitr]

No. Truth is not protected on earth, in the world, in politics, or in religion, or anywhere I know, other than in small groups of Ekklesia, and a few humble folk here and there.

Is truth not protected within our Christian faith? The Holy Spirit still guides in it, brother.

 

[Aaron_Bethlhm]

If what she has stated and what the company has stated are accurate I think this will get thrown out. The company explicitly stated she did not have to wear the shirt. She's suing for wrongful termination for not wearing the shirt. Those don't jive. If that were actually the case I would be on her side. No one should be forced to support or condone anything they don't agree with to maintain employment, but I think the company terminated for her attitude and response to the whole thing and doubling down by implicitly condemning her coworkers.

This is a tangent, so totally can be ignored or deleted, but I've been wondering a similar subject - if
a football player gets signed to a team,
would or wouldn't he wear the team uniform ?
Has anyone in pro or even in college football been known for not wearing the team uniform , anywhere ? Or for wearing the opposing team's uniform ?

 

[Albion]

Why is that relevant? I am part of the force that got Biden elected.

Oh please. By that standard, every one of 80 million voters was "part of the force" also, and you know very well that this was not my point of reference. If there still is any doubt, just return to my previous post for examples.

 

[RDKirk]

You have a right to have your moral values, you don't have a right to be a jerk about it. If she did indeed was rude and unfriendly to her fellow employee's then she should be fired, just as if I was rude and hostile to my Chrsitian fellow employee's. Thinking your right doesn't give you the right to be a jerk and expect to be paid.

Christians got to stop acting like having sincerely held religious beliefs allow them to be jerks or worse without consequence. Religious beliefs should not be an excuse to break laws or ignore ethical behavior.

Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person. Colossians 4:6.

If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler. -- 1 Peter 4

Something I've noted is that Paul always preached in places that moral debate and teaching was expected or accepted, such as in synagogues. In Philippi, where there was no synagogue because of an edict of Claudius, he went to the river bank, explicitly because that was an expected place for preaching. In at least one case, in Ephesus, he rented a lecture hall. In Athens, he began preaching in the marketplace, but when advised there actually was a specific place in Athens for debate and teaching, he quickly went to that place.

 

[Aaron_Bethlhm]

Is truth not protected within our Christian faith?

No. Look around. (I've looked at so many more than I can remember)
Almost if not every 'church' I ask directly, or even don't bring up but wait until it comes up, refuses to do what is truthful, and likewise with almost all the members thereof. A few, just a few, acknowledge they don't agree with the errors in that group that they are in, but they remain quiet unless pressed for an answer, or if discussing with others that are standing for the truth, against anything false.