Scott Adam's Case for Voter Fraud in the Presidential election

[Belk]

So... Nothing from an election official or other specialist? The best case is made by a guy who draws cartoons for a living?

 

[Sparagmos]

lol Joe Biden is free to make any case of voter fraud that he wants to make, and thinks he can prove. But filing deadlines are ticking so he needs to get moving on that!


PS - the Democrats are much more likely to be involved in big city government so more likely to be the defendants against this, but I'm sure if they work hard they can find some places that look fishy. But then again that would involve working and not just having things handed to them like they usually are.

I think you missed the point being made.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Nope it just warrants actually following the Constitution and following the remedies provided by law etc. The notion that we must coronate a president elect on the night of election or the next day is something we adopted by default and habit etc. and is not according to our Constitution which allows our elections to be contested if their is a serious reason for it and the parties want to pursue it.

Strange thing though - people only talk of this course of action as valid when it's the republicans going boo hoo. Just an observation.

 

[Sparagmos]

Scott Adams laid probably one of the most succinct cases why to believe voter fraud on his You-tube channel today. Probably not news to Republican's but worth keeping in mind if your relatives want to argue politics at the dinner table, or the same goes here with our various threads.


1)Motivation? Did the Democrats have any motivation to want to cheat at the election?

The answer to that is yes. Their is motive to cheat for any election because people after all like to win, but that is especially true for this election where they have ranted that Trump is Hitler and his followers are Nazis. Their have been much speculation in ethics about various thought experiments regarding things like "If you go back in time and kill Hitler would you do it?", or even "If you go back and time and could kill Hitler as a baby would you do it?". That notion causes some to pause, but many actually still say "Yes" because much the same would save lives for the future. And really the same goes for manufacturing ballots etc. putting your thumb on the scale so it gives you the right result would be a totally moral act for some folks to keep an evil man who is unfit to President out of the White House.



2) Opportunity? Are their any practical ways that cheating can be done? And again the answer is yes. You have chain of custody problems with ballots. Pole watchers not being present at every place and all the time. and so on.



3) Would anyone think they can get away with this? Yes if you look at history at different times. He cites the testimony of Blagovich who had detailed knowledge of his former state etc. but also not a completely neutral source since Trump helped him get out early from his sentence. (But there are also are other stories and cases to cite)



4)Is there any evidence or reason to think this is going on? Yes. Probably the biggest one are statistical patterns when voting patterns of a particular place and method swing rapidly (e.g. - Voter of Philadelphia voting by mail, differentiated from those voting by machine), especially in the wee hours of the morning when poll watchers are not there. Having a county or city that Trump might be winning by something like 53% swing to be almost totally Biden after the witching an hour, where people are seen bringing in ballots in coolers, suit cases and other unorthodox containers seems a bit fishy and warrants some official audits etc. And based on that information then we need a remedy from the courts, the states etc. so to maintain some basic belief in election integrity.

If there is evidence of fraud why aren’t Trumps lawyers using it in court? Why don’t they show it to the American public for that matter? How many cases need to get thrown out before you see you’re being played?

 

[Kenny'sID]

So by the same logic, Trump cheated and got elected also.

No, had there been evidence Trump cheated, you know as well as I do, dems would have been all over it...we all know how desperate they were.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

No, had there been evidence Trump cheated, you know as well as I do, dems would have been all over it...we all know how desperate they were.

I don't see that, but it is a valid point.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Why would the Democrats cheat? They were favored in all the polls.

But were they really favored? When the counting began, some dems here were getting ready for a possible Trump win. They didn't need to cheat till the end there, and it appeared close.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

No, had there been evidence Trump cheated, you know as well as I do, dems would have been all over it...we all know how desperate they were.

This is Trump cheating. This what we're all seeing right now is Trump trying to overturn the election based on a fraudulent claim of a rigged election.

 

[NotreDame]

Scott Adams laid probably one of the most succinct cases why to believe voter fraud on his You-tube channel today. Probably not news to Republican's but worth keeping in mind if your relatives want to argue politics at the dinner table, or the same goes here with our various threads.


1)Motivation? Did the Democrats have any motivation to want to cheat at the election?

The answer to that is yes. Their is motive to cheat for any election because people after all like to win, but that is especially true for this election where they have ranted that Trump is Hitler and his followers are Nazis. Their have been much speculation in ethics about various thought experiments regarding things like "If you go back in time and kill Hitler would you do it?", or even "If you go back and time and could kill Hitler as a baby would you do it?". That notion causes some to pause, but many actually still say "Yes" because much the same would save lives for the future. And really the same goes for manufacturing ballots etc. putting your thumb on the scale so it gives you the right result would be a totally moral act for some folks to keep an evil man who is unfit to President out of the White House.



2) Opportunity? Are their any practical ways that cheating can be done? And again the answer is yes. You have chain of custody problems with ballots. Pole watchers not being present at every place and all the time. and so on.



3) Would anyone think they can get away with this? Yes if you look at history at different times. He cites the testimony of Blagovich who had detailed knowledge of his former state etc. but also not a completely neutral source since Trump helped him get out early from his sentence. (But there are also are other stories and cases to cite)



4)Is there any evidence or reason to think this is going on? Yes. Probably the biggest one are statistical patterns when voting patterns of a particular place and method swing rapidly (e.g. - Voter of Philadelphia voting by mail, differentiated from those voting by machine), especially in the wee hours of the morning when poll watchers are not there. Having a county or city that Trump might be winning by something like 53% swing to be almost totally Biden after the witching an hour, where people are seen bringing in ballots in coolers, suit cases and other unorthodox containers seems a bit fishy and warrants some official audits etc. And based on that information then we need a remedy from the courts, the states etc. so to maintain some basic belief in election integrity.

1.) Number is speculation. He cannot possibly speak for “Democrats,” without more.

Second, the logic is flimsy. A motive to engage in conduct does not mean one did engaged in the conduct.

Third, this logic is applicable to Republicans and Trump acolytes.

2.) Chain of custody problem? What are those problems? Saying it does not make it so.

3.) Is more speculation

4.) This is garbage. What “statistical patterns” demonstrate fraud?

In addition, there’s no evidence any ballots were brought to counting centers in coolers, or suit cases. I’ve seen the Michigan video, the attorney filming it is heard saying he doesn’t know what it is and doesn’t allege ballots are in the container.

Please, provide something substantive.

 

[Erik Nelson]

If there is evidence of fraud why aren’t Trumps lawyers using it in court? Why don’t they show it to the American public for that matter? How many cases need to get thrown out before you see you’re being played?

AG Barr and Kentucky AG Cameron have already gotten involved in the case

https://nypost.com/2020/11/09/barr-...gations-of-voting-irregularities-in-election/
Kentucky AG joins Pennsylvania election lawsuit

 

[Erik Nelson]

Please, provide something substantive.

Would have been easier had it occurred during the daytime with observers allowed back in

 

[Hans Blaster]

Would have been easier had it occurred during the daytime with observers allowed back in

If they only worked during regular working hours on weekdays, they'd still be counting in Michigan. I've seen no evidence that observers from each party/campaign were excluded. This is all just a delusional fantasy. Stop propagating it.

 

[Sparagmos]

AG Barr and Kentucky AG Cameron have already gotten involved in the case

https://nypost.com/2020/11/09/barr-...gations-of-voting-irregularities-in-election/
Kentucky AG joins Pennsylvania election lawsuit

Do they have the evidence? LOL.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Do they have the evidence? LOL.

Of course not. I don't know why the KY AG is involved at all, there are no claims of fraud there.

The memo from "Teargas Bill" Barr excludes examinations of wild and fantastic claims (so much for any "Rudy" jobs) and has already triggered the resignation of the (non-political) DOJ official in charge of investigating election fraud resigned on principle.

 

[Erik Nelson]

I've seen no evidence

You're not AG

This is all just a delusional fantasy.

 

[Hans Blaster]

You're not AG


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Twitter seems to think it's non-credible disinformation. (Hint: that's why they're blocking it.)

 

[Erik Nelson]

"Teargas Bill" Barr...

What Is an Ad Hominem Fallacy?

 

[Hans Blaster]

What Is an Ad Hominem Fallacy?

Barr is abhorrent. He is dangerous to democracy. He tends to autocracy and theocracy.

But my claim against him that you labeled "ad hom" was that 1. the memo won't have any real effect because it excludes the wild claims the Trumpoids keep throwing out, and 2. the person in charge of doing the work quit in protest because it was so improper.

 

[FireDragon76]

I realized Scott Adams joined the Qwazy brigade years ago when I listened to Sam Harris interview him and he tried to justify Trump's lying by appealing to some kind of "emotional truth".

 

[KCfromNC]

4)Is there any evidence or reason to think this is going on? Yes. Probably the biggest one are statistical patterns when voting patterns of a particular place and method swing rapidly (e.g. - Voter of Philadelphia voting by mail, differentiated from those voting by machine), especially in the wee hours of the morning when poll watchers are not there.

By this argument, states which initially had a lead for Biden but swung to Trump as more votes were counted are evidence of GOP election fraud. We're really going with this? What's the cut off in the number of votes you're arguing to throw out to make sure the "correct" guy wins?