Scott Adam's Case for Voter Fraud in the Presidential election

[Pavel Mosko]

Scott Adams laid probably one of the most succinct cases why to believe voter fraud on his You-tube channel today. Probably not news to Republican's but worth keeping in mind if your relatives want to argue politics at the dinner table, or the same goes here with our various threads.


1)Motivation? Did the Democrats have any motivation to want to cheat at the election?

The answer to that is yes. Their is motive to cheat for any election because people after all like to win, but that is especially true for this election where they have ranted that Trump is Hitler and his followers are Nazis. Their have been much speculation in ethics about various thought experiments regarding things like "If you go back in time and kill Hitler would you do it?", or even "If you go back and time and could kill Hitler as a baby would you do it?". That notion causes some to pause, but many actually still say "Yes" because much the same would save lives for the future. And really the same goes for manufacturing ballots etc. putting your thumb on the scale so it gives you the right result would be a totally moral act for some folks to keep an evil man who is unfit to President out of the White House.



2) Opportunity? Are their any practical ways that cheating can be done? And again the answer is yes. You have chain of custody problems with ballots. Pole watchers not being present at every place and all the time. and so on.



3) Would anyone think they can get away with this? Yes if you look at history at different times. He cites the testimony of Blagovich who had detailed knowledge of his former state etc. but also not a completely neutral source since Trump helped him get out early from his sentence. (But there are also are other stories and cases to cite)



4)Is there any evidence or reason to think this is going on? Yes. Probably the biggest one are statistical patterns when voting patterns of a particular place and method swing rapidly (e.g. - Voter of Philadelphia voting by mail, differentiated from those voting by machine), especially in the wee hours of the morning when poll watchers are not there. Having a county or city that Trump might be winning by something like 53% swing to be almost totally Biden after the witching an hour, where people are seen bringing in ballots in coolers, suit cases and other unorthodox containers seems a bit fishy and warrants some official audits etc. And based on that information then we need a remedy from the courts, the states etc. so to maintain some basic belief in election integrity.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

So by the same logic, Trump cheated and got elected also.

The question is along this logic is, when was the last honest election?

 

[Pavel Mosko]

So by the same logic, Trump cheated and got elected also.

The question is along this logic is, when was the last honest election?

Nope it just warrants actually following the Constitution and following the remedies provided by law etc. The notion that we must coronate a president elect on the night of election or the next day is something we adopted by default and habit etc. and is not according to our Constitution which allows our elections to be contested if their is a serious reason for it and the parties want to pursue it.

 

[cow451]

So, only the Democrats had motive? Seriously?

All the poll workers are Democrats so only they had means and opportunity? Again, what an incredibly stupid argument.

Republicans didn’t have poll watchers? They admitted they did and their suit in PA was tossed. Or were they too dumb to have poll watchers when counting was going on? Seriously?

And statistical anomalies? If you read the papers, watched the newsstand/or listened to Trump you would have known early on these so-called anomalies are consistent with mail/ absentee ballot expectations.

So, either this is another conspiratorial fantasy or the Republican brain trust is bankrupt.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

So, only the Democrats had motive? Seriously?

All the poll workers are Democrats so only they had means and opportunity? Again, what an incredibly stupid argument.

Republicans didn’t have poll watchers? They admitted they did and their suit in PA was tossed. Or were they too dumb to have poll watchers when counting was going on? Seriously?

And statistical anomalies? If you read the papers, watched the newsstand/or listened to Trump you would have known early on these so-called anomalies are consistent with mail/ absentee ballot expectations.

So, either this is another conspiratorial fantasy or the Republican brain trust is bankrupt.

lol Joe Biden is free to make any case of voter fraud that he wants to make, and thinks he can prove. But filing deadlines are ticking so he needs to get moving on that!


PS - the Democrats are much more likely to be involved in big city government so more likely to be the defendants against this, but I'm sure if they work hard they can find some places that look fishy. But then again that would involve working and not just having things handed to them like they usually are.

 

[cow451]

Nope it just warrants actually following the Constitution and following the remedies provided by law etc. The notion that we must coronate a president elect on the night of election or the next day is something we adopted by default and habit etc. and is not according to our Constitution which allows our elections to be contested if their is a serious reason for it and the parties want to pursue it.

And nobody is keeping them from pursuing the legal remedies.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

And nobody is keeping them from pursuing the legal remedies.

Because they don't have the means. They have done about everything else to discourage it.

 

[DaisyDay]

I’ve always wondered why Adams never seemed to recognize Donald as the epitome of the pointy-haired boss.

He Godwinned his argument right at the top.

 

[JackRT]

I think that the real election fraud is working itself out right now as Trump and the GOP desperately try to salvage a failed presidency. More and more Republicans are slowly coming to that realization.

 

[cow451]

Because they don't have the means. They have done about everything else to discourage it.

Like calling out hilarious “evidence” and conspiracy theories? Like explain to me how Republican controlled Georgia managed to conspire with somebody to throw the election to Biden. Please. I’m all monitor.

 

[keith99]

Why would the Democrats cheat? They were favored in all the polls. You don't cheat when a fair game would have you the winner. They did see Trump and his supporters do all they could to supress votes in areas with a majority of Demorcatic voters. Things like one drop box in all of Harris county (4 million plus population) and removal of post office sorting machines in other places with a majority of Democratic voters to try to delay delivery of mailed ballots and keep those votes from counting.

No the Democrats had no reason to cheat, they did however have reason to try to keep Trump from cheating.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

"YouTube"

The most trusted name in journalism!

 

[Hans Blaster]

3) Would anyone think they can get away with this? Yes if you look at history at different times. He cites the testimony of Blagovich who had detailed knowledge of his former state etc. but also not a completely neutral source since Trump helped him get out early from his sentence. (But there are also are other stories and cases to cite)

Wasn't he the corrupt governor of Illinois? The votes weren't close in Illinois and no one is claiming fraud for Biden there.

 

[Hans Blaster]

"YouTube"

The most trusted name in journalism!

Well there are some less credible news channels on my cable box: OANN & Newsmax. (FNC pick your path...)

 

[SimplyMe]

Wasn't he the corrupt governor of Illinois? The votes weren't close in Illinois and no one is claiming fraud for Biden there.

Yes, the one who had his sentence commuted by Pres. Trump. [sarcasm] Since he is such a proven man of integrity, I'm sure his statement had nothing to do with paying Pres. Trump back. [/sarcasm]

 

[apogee]

lol Joe Biden is free to make any case of voter fraud that he wants to make, and thinks he can prove.

He doesn't need to fabricate any cases of voter fraud, he won, by an increasingly sizeable margin.

Besides there are real (life and death) issues that need to be faced, rather than the rants of a self-serving administration that has no concept of 'duty of care' that is completely preoccupied by it's obsessive clinging to power.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I’ve always wondered why Adams never seemed to recognize Donald as the epitome of the pointy-haired boss.

This!

One of the most ridiculed moments for the president this year was the "injecting bleach" and "shine a strong light" to eliminate SARS-CoV-2 inside the body at one of his taskforce pressers about 6 months ago. This is the quintessential "pointy-haired boss" moment of the Trump presiduncy.

1. Prior to the presser, Trump receives some amount of briefing (very short likely) on the effectiveness of disinfectants and UV light to sanitize *surfaces* of the virus.
2. Health official presents summary of surface disinfecting study to assembled press in briefing room.
3. After presentation, Trump engages in clueless speculative spitballing of his own "idea": why not use these techniques on people or inside people to eliminate the virus *inside* the body.
4. Sarah Cooper becomes internet superstar when her lip-synched performance of the incident goes "viral".

Everyone, especially in technical environments, has encountered a boss who proposes a completely clueless idea about some project he doesn't understand after a presentation. If Trump had just been properly briefed before going in public, he could have had his "pointy-haired boss" moment in private. Maybe it would have eventually leak out in someones tell-all memoir, but we wouldn't have video of it to play ad infinitum.

 

[Der Alte]

Like calling out hilarious “evidence” and conspiracy theories? Like explain to me how Republican controlled Georgia managed to conspire with somebody to throw the election to Biden. Please. I’m all monitor.

How does a republican "controlled" state government prevent Democrats from cheating? In a state "controlled" by one party that is the place where cheating would be most likely to shift everything to the other party.

 

[SimplyMe]

Scott Adams laid probably one of the most succinct cases why to believe voter fraud on his You-tube channel today. Probably not news to Republican's but worth keeping in mind if your relatives want to argue politics at the dinner table, or the same goes here with our various threads.


1)Motivation? Did the Democrats have any motivation to want to cheat at the election?

The answer to that is yes. Their is motive to cheat for any election because people after all like to win, but that is especially true for this election where they have ranted that Trump is Hitler and his followers are Nazis. Their have been much speculation in ethics about various thought experiments regarding things like "If you go back in time and kill Hitler would you do it?", or even "If you go back and time and could kill Hitler as a baby would you do it?". That notion causes some to pause, but many actually still say "Yes" because much the same would save lives for the future. And really the same goes for manufacturing ballots etc. putting your thumb on the scale so it gives you the right result would be a totally moral act for some folks to keep an evil man who is unfit to President out of the White House.



2) Opportunity? Are their any practical ways that cheating can be done? And again the answer is yes. You have chain of custody problems with ballots. Pole watchers not being present at every place and all the time. and so on.



3) Would anyone think they can get away with this? Yes if you look at history at different times. He cites the testimony of Blagovich who had detailed knowledge of his former state etc. but also not a completely neutral source since Trump helped him get out early from his sentence. (But there are also are other stories and cases to cite)



4)Is there any evidence or reason to think this is going on? Yes. Probably the biggest one are statistical patterns when voting patterns of a particular place and method swing rapidly (e.g. - Voter of Philadelphia voting by mail, differentiated from those voting by machine), especially in the wee hours of the morning when poll watchers are not there. Having a county or city that Trump might be winning by something like 53% swing to be almost totally Biden after the witching an hour, where people are seen bringing in ballots in coolers, suit cases and other unorthodox containers seems a bit fishy and warrants some official audits etc. And based on that information then we need a remedy from the courts, the states etc. so to maintain some basic belief in election integrity.

Do you have a link to Scott Adam's comments?

 

[cow451]

How does a republican "controlled" state government prevent Democrats from cheating? In a state "controlled" by one party that is the place where cheating would be most likely to shift everything to the other party.

Republicans control the state administration, election process and the overwhelming number of municipal governments. The only way it could allow widespread vote fraud is for the Republican Party to be actively engaged in it. That is how.