When do the biblical days begin?

[HARK!]

Brother, assumed was the Sabbath in Israel a day of the week, but it is not a day of the week in Israel as it was in Eden, because when God made that time holy He fixed it in the Eden time zone. We did not understand what it meant for God to make a time holy, it set the Sabbath apart from the week cycle, fixing it to the Eden time zone. The seventh day of the week and the Sabbath are two separate things that only come together in Eden, but are separate everywhere else like in Israel.

YHWH made the sun for a sign of the day on Earth. When you see the sun; it is a sign that it is day; no matter where you stand. YHWH did not qualify the sign of the day by saying, "as observed from Eden." Time zones were created, by man, much later; and Eden is in every one of those man made time zones. Go figure!

Are you aware that Eden is nowhere near the Garden of Eden?

How often does Eden have a 24 hour period as marked by sunset to sunset? I believe the answer is never

I don't believe for a second that Yahshua broke Shabbat for not keeping Eden time.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Brother, let's consider the most recent evidence in the manna story. Every day except the day before a Sabbath, collected was the manna in the "morning" and lasted until the next "morning". The day before a Sabbath, it would last past the ending "morning" of the previous day until a second day that also ends in a "morning". Clearly, a day for the manna story is from "morning" to "morning" and the Sabbath begins with a "morning" with no manna found and the manna of the previous day lasting beyond the end "morning" of the previous day for two days instead of one. Note that the word evening is not mentioned at all.

Then Moses said to them, “No one is to keep any of it until morning.” However, some of them paid no attention to Moses; they kept part of it until morning, but it was full of maggots and began to smell. So Moses was angry with them. Each morning everyone gathered as much as they needed, and when the sun grew hot, it melted away. On the sixth day, they gathered twice as much—two omers for each person—and the leaders of the community came and reported this to Moses. He said to them, “This is what the Lord commanded: ‘Tomorrow is to be a day of sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord. So bake what you want to bake and boil what you want to boil. Save whatever is left and keep it until morning.’ ” So they saved it until morning, as Moses commanded, and it did not stink or get maggots in it. “Eat it today,” Moses said, “because today is a sabbath to the Lord. You will not find any of it on the ground today. Six days you are to gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will not be any.” (Exodus 16:19-26 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

this is silly, no one gathers at night...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Let's now look at the Hebrew word meanings for "evening" and "morning" "evening" ערב; ‛ereb; which also means night and "morning" בּקר; bôqer which also means; tomorrow (after night) or day (daylight). Hence "evening to evening" or both the "darkness and the light" make up the day.

Erev Tov...Boker Tov...Shavua Tov...

 

[clefty]

Brother, let's consider the most recent evidence in the manna story. Every day except the day before a Sabbath, collected was the manna in the "morning" and lasted until the next "morning". The day before a Sabbath, it would last past the ending "morning" of the previous day until a second day that also ends in a "morning". Clearly, a day for the manna story is from "morning" to "morning" and the Sabbath begins with a "morning" with no manna found and the manna of the previous day lasting beyond the end "morning" of the previous day for two days instead of one. Note that the word evening is not mentioned at all.

Then Moses said to them, “No one is to keep any of it until morning.” However, some of them paid no attention to Moses; they kept part of it until morning, but it was full of maggots and began to smell. So Moses was angry with them. Each morning everyone gathered as much as they needed, and when the sun grew hot, it melted away. On the sixth day, they gathered twice as much—two omers for each person—and the leaders of the community came and reported this to Moses. He said to them, “This is what the Lord commanded: ‘Tomorrow is to be a day of sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord. So bake what you want to bake and boil what you want to boil. Save whatever is left and keep it until morning.’ ” So they saved it until morning, as Moses commanded, and it did not stink or get maggots in it. “Eat it today,” Moses said, “because today is a sabbath to the Lord. You will not find any of it on the ground today. Six days you are to gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will not be any.” (Exodus 16:19-26 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

How about we start at the beginning?

He said “Let there be Light”

1. and there was light...
2. He saw the light
3. And that it was good...not the dark it was not good
4. He divided the Light from Darkness
5. He NAMED the Light “DAY”
6. He Named the Darkness “Night”

6 things happened that first day...and then rest...

SO...and THEREFORE and subsequently the evening occured as the light diminished...you can NOT have evening WITHOUT DIMISHING LIGHT...So the evening occured ONLY AFTER light was created...

That darkness prior the light had NO evening to start it...nor did it have a morning...there was just Light and it was good...and named Day...

So as that Light now NAMED “Day” came into evening and and evening came into darkness NOW NAMED NIGHT...and then that night turned into morning...NOW and FINALLY the DAY is NUMBERED as COMPLETED...the first day...

Light...into evening...night...morning...day completed NOW numbered...

JUST LIKE on the odometer the distance is travelled FIRST and THEN it is numbered...as complete

Or like a birthday...the year is lived FIRST and THEN it is numbered...

EACH act of creation occured during the LIGHT portion of the Day...and then the light diminished it was evening and then morning and THEN finally complete that day was numbered...

Act of Creation X...during the day...so the evening then night and then the morning...now the day is complete and then numbered...

Titus 1:14

 

[HARK!]

How about we start at the beginning?

He said “Let there be Light”

The beginning starts at Genesis 1:1, before there was light.

 

[clefty]

The beginning starts at Genesis 1:1, before there was light.

What day was that when it was dark...and not named “night“...?

no evening...no morning...

But then there was Light...and for us

and then there was evening...and then the morning...the day completed it was finally numbered

1 Thessalonians 5:5

no temple service was in the dark...or begun at evening or done at night...

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Sister, I sent letters to all willing to listen and grew tremendously in the process. History shows what works. We kept the Sabbath from 6 to 6 pm for 8 years before changing to sunset. For church growth to occur, all members must know the new truth that causes a division in the church and then the leadership will study the issue to arrive at the truth that unites us. Leadership will not accept a truth that will divide us when there is unity, they will only seek a new truth to unite us when there is division. History tells me that I must start at the bottom and tell everyone and only when everyone knows and divided is the church on the issue, then the leadership will take action to study and arrive at the truth that unites us.

For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through the endurance taught in the Scriptures and the encouragement they provide we might have hope. (Romans 15:4 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

The thing you might not be taking in consideration is this scripture is not some obscure scripture. I believe the Seventh day Adventist church was built on wanting to believe the Word of God and not mad-made laws and have gone against the majority of churches to stand up to what the Bible teaches over man-made traditions. I think the scripture is clear that the day begins at sunset and ends at sunset. You might want to consider all the pastors in our entire church, who have studied the Bible scriptures intensely has not skimmed over these passage because they didn't understand. I really do not think that is the case. I will pray you can get some resolution on this so you can keep Holy God's special day the way He intended.

God Bless

 

[guevaraj]

"From evening to evening" is the day in the Bible - and on day 7 evening did not start at noon and did not occur in the middle of the day. So I am not sure where you are going with this.

Brother, I am correcting possibly the oldest, invented tradition that contradicts the biblical message.

You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.” And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)— then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” (Mark 7:8-13 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

That's not what YHWH says. (CLV) Gn 1:1 In a beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.

Brother, you assume that we are God's first creation. On what day of creation week did God make the angels? There was creation before creation week prepared a home for us on a previously existing Earth. As found by going back from the end of the first day to the beginning of the first day to learn that the first day began with the light and everything that is before the light is before the creation week.

what is mankind that you are mindful of them, human beings that you care for them? You have made them a little lower than the angels and crowned them with glory and honor. (Psalm 8:4-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[clefty]

Brother, I am correcting possibly the oldest, invented tradition that contradicts the biblical message.

You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.” And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)— then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” (Mark 7:8-13 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

You are not alone on this...

There is much on this online...

For those who desire to seek and find...

 

[clefty]

The thing you might not be taking in consideration is this scripture is not some obscure scripture. I believe the Seventh day Adventist church was built on wanting to believe the Word of God and not mad-made laws and have gone against the majority of churches to stand up to what the Bible teaches over man-made traditions. I think the scripture is clear that the day begins at sunset and ends at sunset. You might want to consider all the pastors in our entire church, who have studied the Bible scriptures intensely has not skimmed over these passage because they didn't understand. I really do not think that is the case. I will pray you can get some resolution on this so you can keep Holy God's special day the way He intended.

God Bless

It helps make sense of Passover a thank offering killed on the 14th to be eaten that night...none of it left until morning...

The passing over of the angel occurring at midnight...

NOT on the Passover DAY but on the next day which began at sundown?

Or on the SAME day it was offered...as ALL thank offerings are...

Leviticus 22:30

Please pray we are:

Titus 1:14

 

[guevaraj]

There was no sun on the first day.

Brother, God added the moon to the previously existing sun to determine the days from the first day with the sun and now the seasons with the addition of the moon. God explains on the forth day something that started from the first day with the sun. The word "evening" means sunset, revealing the sun from the first day.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[HARK!]

Brother, you assume that we are God's first creation.

I made no such assumption. YHWH said that he created the heavens and the earth in the beginning. That's what I'm going with. I won't allow men or my assumptions to convince me otherwise.

On what day of creation week did God make the angels?

Where day does it say when he created them; and how is that relevant to what he clearly said that he created in the beginning? I'm not willing to make assumptions on the subject. I come from a science and engineering background. I've built my life on being logical, objective, analytical, and methodical. I prefer to work with the facts of the truth.

There was creation before creation week prepared a home for us on a previously existing Earth.

There is no scriptural foundation for this speculative assertion.

In the beginning, means the beginning in my book.

 

[guevaraj]

YHWH made the sun for a sign of the day on Earth. When you see the sun; it is a sign that it is day; no matter where you stand. YHWH did not qualify the sign of the day by saying, "as observed from Eden." Time zones were created, by man, much later; and Eden is in every one of those man made time zones. Go figure! Are you aware that Eden is nowhere near the Garden of Eden? How often does Eden have a 24 hour period as marked by sunset to sunset? I believe the answer is never. I don't believe for a second that Yahshua broke Shabbat for not keeping Eden time.

Brother, you confuse a day of the week with the Sabbath. The Sabbath falls on a day of the week in Eden and nowhere else. In Israel, the Sabbath falls between two days of the week, taking the night of the six day and the light of the seventh day. This is important in discrediting the Sunday tradition that is defended by claiming that Jesus resurrected on Sunday when He did not. Jesus resurrected on the night of the seventh day in Israel, He resurrected on a Saturday. The Sabbath in Israel tells us where Eden is from Israel and it falls on the International Date Line, the sight of our origin, where God taught us the count the days with the week.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[HARK!]

Brother, you confuse a day of the week with the Sabbath. The Sabbath falls on a day of the week in Eden and nowhere else.

You didn't respond to my post concerning Eden. Perhaps you missed it; so let's back up and take this step by step.

Step 1: Define Eden

Do you know the difference between Eden, and the Garden of Eden? Please explain the difference. Please cite your sources.

Can to tell me the location of each? Please cite your sources.

 

[guevaraj]

YHWH said that he created the he created the heavens and the earth in the beginning.

Brother, the beginning is before creation week, an unspecified time before the scriptures focus on our beginning from creation week.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[HARK!]

Brother, the beginning is before creation week

Those are your words, not YHWH's. I follow Yahshua, as he followed YHWH's Torah, not our own understanding, not the traditions of men.

YHWH is not the author of confusion. If he had created the earth the week before the week of creation; I believe that he would have said so. He didn't speak of another week. he included it in the week from the beginning.

 

[HARK!]

Brother, God added the moon to the previously existing sun to determine the days from the first day

That's not what scripture says. I provided scripture to support my statement. Somehow it was edited out of my quote.

There was no sun on the first day.

(CLV) Gn 1:13
And evening came to be, and morning came to be: the third day.

(CLV) Gn 1:14
And Elohim said: Let luminaries come to be in the atmosphere of the heavens to separate between the day and the night, that they may be for signs, for appointed seasons, for days and years.

(CLV) Gn 1:15
Let them be for luminaries in the atmosphere of the heavens to give light on the earth. And it came to be so.

(CLV) Gn 1:16
Elohim made two great luminaries, the greater luminary for ruling the day and the smaller luminary for ruling the night, and also the stars.

(CLV) Gn 1:17
Elohim placed them in the atmosphere of the heavens to give light on the earth,

(CLV) Gn 1:18
to rule the day and the night, and to separate between the light and the darkness. And Elohim saw that it was good.

(CLV) Gn 1:19
And evening came to be, and morning came to be: the fourth day.

What is the greater luminary that rules the day; and on what day was it created?

 

[HARK!]

Brother, you assume that we are God's first creation. On what day of creation week did God make the angels?

You tell me. Was there light on that day? Was it sunlight? Are you suggesting that YHWH was creating before there was light?


(CLV) Jn 1:1
In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word.

(CLV) Jn 1:2
This was in the beginning toward God.

(CLV) Jn 1:3
All came into being through it, and apart from it not even one thing came into being which has come into being.

(CLV) Jn 1:4
In it was life, and the life was the light of men.

Men hadn't been created yet.

(CLV) Jn 1:5
And the light is appearing in the darkness, and the darkness grasped it not.

Clearly this happened after the beginning.

Modern science supports this. Did you listen to that radio program that I presented?

 

[clefty]

Brother, you assume that we are God's first creation. On what day of creation week did God make the angels? There was creation before creation week prepared a home for us on a previously existing Earth. As found by going back from the end of the first day to the beginning of the first day to learn that the first day began with the light and everything that is before the light is before the creation week.

what is mankind that you are mindful of them, human beings that you care for them? You have made them a little lower than the angels and crowned them with glory and honor. (Psalm 8:4-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

previously existing earth? oh my...

Lucifer was cast out of heaven and this is his domain...

we were made to win back dominion...

in the beginning and the world was void without form and darkness was upon the face of the deep...His Spirit moved on the face of the water...

He made it go from dark TO LIGHT and without a morning...