In what states will recounts be requested?

[Neogaia777]

Aaaahhh... might be a good reason to deny it.

Also might be a good reason to push for the courts to look into it. Or the FBI or whatever.

Or a good reason not to do it, or let it happen, etc, or cast serious doubts on it actually happening, etc, and I mean "in reality" really, etc...

Which I realize is not a place most Trump supporters like to dwell, (in reality really, etc), but you'd probably better get used to it, etc...

God Bless!

 

[LostMarbels]

Regardless, has nothing to do with the election, so is not "evidence" of anything.

That's nice, the Democrats don't trust you either. Regardless, no judge is going to consider a recount based on that reasoning.

We will see. Intent is a quantifier.

How many times in the last four years do you think the 'intent' to remove Trump from office by any means necessary has been stated? One of Nancy's quivered arrows perhaps?

You honestly believe there are no actions that warrant consideration?

 

[LostMarbels]

You are claiming electoral fraud because the count for Biden is suddenly increasing in relatio to Trump. I have just given you the real world explanation for this.

No, I'm continuing to say this as I have said since the pandemic began. It Was ALWAYS about the mail-in vote and the ability to cheat. We already knew. Biden can not win this election. The extra votes are needed.

 

[SimplyMe]

We will see. Intent is a quantifier.

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How many times in the last four years do you think the 'intent' to remove Trump from office by any means necessary has been stated? One of Nancy's quivered arrows perhaps?

You honestly believe there are no actions that warrant consideration?

I've not seen anything that would cause a court to grant a warrant, or even a recount. Intent is needed to convict, it means very little in terms of a warrant. If you have "debt" you could be said to have "intent" to rob a bank -- it does not mean you robbed the bank, it doesn't even mean you were within 50 miles of the bank when the robbery occurred. Intent is not evidence.

 

[LostMarbels]

Great. If there were votes counted that shouldn't have been, let's disqualify them and indict the people who mailed them.

However... as long as they don't count that is.

At the same time, let's see what is found -- and if this allegation is actually true. For example, there was that screen shot posted here that claimed similar things in Wayne County, Michigan. It turns out that not only was that "screen shot" from last year but that organization suing asked for the case to be dismissed because their allegations were false.

That wasn't me, and has nothing to do with what I have posted.

It also says nothing about who committed this "fraud." For all we know, all the ballots could be votes for Trump -- we have seen Republicans charged with voter fraud in the last 4 years.

Fine, let's find out. We want transparency, correct?

 

[SimplyMe]

However... as long as they don't count that is.



That wasn't me, and has nothing to do with what I have posted.



Fine, let's find out. We want transparency, correct?

I said investigate it, did I not?

Edit: I need to clarify a bit. My issue is that Trump has been claiming "voter fraud" since 2016 -- but he's never been able to prove any, not really. I think there may have been 20 illegals charged for voting in 2016 -- some of which voted for Trump -- and it is good they were prosecuted (even if in some cases they broke up families).

So, now you have plenty of people trying to claim "voter fraud." The issue, most of the issues I've seen are "trolling," such as the kid that claimed he threw away ballots as a poll worker, but he was lying about it; or they see something they this is weird but is actually nothing wrong, they just are uninformed about the voting process; or they pass along things that occurred in previous elections (that weren't necessarily wrong), such as the "illegal voters" screen shot; etc.

I have no issue with cases of voter fraud being investigating and prosecuted. My issue is this idea that many assume that there is fraud, and we need to go in to verify it occurred (much like you are). We have the rule of law in this country -- we don't get to accuse people without actual evidence. We don't get to assume a crime and then investigate to prove we are right, that there was a crime committed.

It is fascinating to me, everytime something was alleged against Trump or someone in his administration, all we heard was "prove it." We heard complaints about "anonymous sources" or "fake news" (particularly depending on the news source), etc. Yet now there are these short videos showing up on social media and Trump supporters aren't questioning them at all, it is "This proves Democrat voter fraud!" -- despite the fact that it is often a correct counting of the ballots, or that it is someone like the kid claiming to be a poll worker, or old information.

Maybe I'm too tough on some of these claims -- but Republicans are coming off as the "Boy who called 'Wolf'" -- particularly Trump who has made these allegations since at least 2016 but never provided any evidence. Even his commision to prove fraud was quietly disbanded after they couldn't find any. If there are any valid claims, they are likely being drowned out by all the bogus claims.

 

[LostMarbels]

I've not seen anything that would cause a court to grant a warrant, or even a recount. Intent is needed to convict, it means very little in terms of a warrant. If you have "debt" you could be said to have "intent" to rob a bank -- it does not mean you robbed the bank, it doesn't even mean you were within 50 miles of the bank when the robbery occurred. Intent is not evidence.

How do you intend to police a corrupt self policing system? Ask? Use their forum they themselves control? Maybe you should follow the laws they will break themselves to persecute you.

Or it may be recognized we are in unprecedented times, of which new methodologies, laws and practices must be formed for future precedent. This needs to be called before the courts and be determined.

 

[Goonie]

No, I'm continuing to say this as I have said since the pandemic began. It Was ALWAYS about the mail-in vote and the ability to cheat. We already knew. Biden can not win this. election. The extra votes are needed.

You know no such thing. Do not bear false witness.

 

[Neogaia777]

I said investigate it, did I not?

They just believe what they are told, etc...

Were the only ones who will "question", etc, think for ourselves, etc, will investigate, etc...

And investigate from many different sources and on both sides, and/or from many more neutral sources/sides, etc...

God Bless!

 

[LostMarbels]

You know no such thing. Do not bear false witness.

I absolutely know it is true, even said this exact situation was going to occur. This is part of the same coup for whatever reason Trump will not pull the trigger on. This has been going on since Trump came down those escalators. I'm not going to pretend this is something new or unrelated.

 

[Goonie]

I absolutely know it is true, even said this exact situation was going to occur. This is part of the same coup for whatever reason Trump will not pull the trigger on. This has been going on since Trump came down those escalators. I'm not going to pretend this is something new or unrelated.

No you don't,you believe it's true bcause you've drunk Trump's kool aid. Seriously his every other sentence has-been lying about electoral fraud and you've bought it hook line and sinker.

 

[LostMarbels]

No you don't,you believe it's true bcause you've drunk Trump's kool aid. Seriously his every other sentence has-been lying about electoral fraud and you've bought it hook line and sinker.

Occam's razor. An maybe just a bit of deductive logic is all that is needed.

When the riots start... we will be waiting for that also. There is literally only one page in the playbook.

 

[SimplyMe]

I absolutely know it is true, even said this exact situation was going to occur. This is part of the same coup for whatever reason Trump will not pull the trigger on. This has been going on since Trump came down those escalators. I'm not going to pretend this is something new or unrelated.

I find I have to ask a hypothetical question -- but one that could happen in the next several months. Let us assume for a moment that Trump loses the election and leaves office in January. As you know, he is currently under investigation in NY State for fraud. Let's say they finally get the tax returns that their warrant calls for (I believe they already have his bank records and paperwork) and Trump is convicted for fraud, then sent to jail. Will you believe that Trump was guilty, that he committed fraud, or will you believe he is a "political prisoner?"

 

[LostMarbels]

In the spirit of the OP I would rather talk about recounts and voter fraud. But thanks.

https://twitter.com/SJPFISH/status/1324628241982828544

The only issue I have is I cannot verify these clips.

 

[KCfromNC]

What were you saying about reading comprehension?

I think it was something about posts which ask leading questions that have nothing to do with the subject at hand to try and distract from a post that can't be backed up with evidence or reason.

 

[KCfromNC]

And the liberals have only spent the last 4 years resisting and doing everything in their power to conduct a bloodless coup.

This is false.

They did not use the courts

Hey look, an attempt to get people to forget how many of Donald's administration ended up in jail.

 

[KCfromNC]

Occam's razor. An maybe just a bit of deductive logic is all that is needed.

No, this is more a case for inductive logic - a guy who has racked up a five figure count of documented lies over the past few years makes a claim for which there is no evidence. Given the priors, what is the most likely explanation?

 

[LostMarbels]

 

[Tanj]

@LostMarbels well that's not entirely correct, I mean, maybe we would cry because of the litigation, but Trump's lawsuits are getting laughed out of court so fast we are not really getting the opportunity.

 

[7thKeeper]

Occam's razor. An maybe just a bit of deductive logic is all that is needed.

You are absolutely correct. Let's do this.

There's a pandemic. One party has been down playing it while the other recommending safety measures, including voting by mail. Those votes go majority to that party. There has never been recorded widespread fraud with mail in voting. Occam's razor, there is no widespread fraud this time.

Already one story has been outed as a lie, about a woman in Nevada (Jill Stokke) who first claimed that her mail in had been forged as she tried to vote in person and that someone else had mailed it. The voting officials interviewed her and showed her the ballot that had been mailed, which happened to have her signature on it and was asked about it. At that point she confirmed that the signature was hers and when given the opportunity to file a claim that it was fraud, have it nullified so she could vote in person, she said no.

So let's continue Occam's razor. No records of wide spread voter fraud by mail in your history, claims of such now starting to fall apart (I know, just one example so far from me)... So Occam would say that there is no widespread fraud.