Third Temple Scam in modern Jerusalem?

[nolidad]

If the Messiah's death is in Daniel 9, then the New Covenant must be in Daniel 9 based on the verse below.

YOu are trying to force a meaning that is not divinely required!

Just because Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant does not make the reporting of Jesus death in Daniel 9 require the New Covenant be there either!

Here is the New covenant:

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:

36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

Seeing how you demand this be alluded to in Daniel 9--where is it in Dan. 9??

We find the same word "now" below.
The first two verses quote directly from Jeremiah 31:31-34.

Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.


If you have to ignore the word "now" in the scripture above to make modern Dispensational Theology work, you have revealed the doctrine for what it really is.

I do not ignore "now", I just don't force it to mean something it does not!

Jesus is the mediator of the New covenant! Now show me in history where all of the house of Israel and Judah had their sins remitted. Are you suggesting all Jews since Jesus death are automatically forgiven?

REmember this verse from the New Covenant:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more

Show me from history where this has gone into effect already! It is a covenant God WILL make not maybe make.

You are forced to admit that either all of the New covenant has gone into effect or that its full fulfilment is still to come or as I believe you have somehow convinced yourself through teachers like Varner that this Covenant God said HE WILL make with all of the Jews is somehow revoked.

 

[nolidad]

What were the disciples sharing, if not the New Covenant?

What is Peter’s sermon that's recorded for us in Acts 2, if not the New Covenant?

ETA: what was the pouring out of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost in 30 AD (Acts 2) ....if not the New

Well let me post teh wording of the New covenant again given by inspiration of God and you point out to me which verses of the New Covenant Acts 2 points to:

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:

36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

The New Covenant is made between the Father and the Son, with Israel being the beneficiary and we gentiles grafted into the place of blessing due to the blood.

The gospel of salvation (trust in the death and resurrection of Jesus

Nothing in the gospel nor in Peters address to the Jews in Acts 2 goes back at all to the New Covenant. for your sin) is based on the blood of the covenant, but it is not the new covenant. Jeremiah 31 defines the covenant.

 

[nolidad]

If the Gospel is not part of the New Covenant at all....then please contrast the two for us.

With pleasure:

Once again here is the new Covenant:

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:

36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

In summation
1. God will write His laws in the heat of the whole house of Israel and Judah.
2. He will be their God and teh houses of Isrsael and Judah will be His people.
3. Jews will no longer have to teach fellow Jews to know the Lord- for all Jews will know Him.
4. If teh sun ceases and the universe measured- then God says He will forget Israel as well.

This isthe new Covenant.

Now the gospel:

1 Corinthians 15:2-4
King James Version

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Romans 10:9
King James Version

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

This is the gospel which we preach by which men since Pentecost must be saved!

Our gospel is for Jew and Gentile based on the blood Jesus shed for the payment of our sins, but it has nothing to do with the New Covenant as written in the Scriptures as I posted again here.

What God will do with the whole house of Israel and Judah sometime in the future is also based on the blood of the covenant but if you look carefully- it has nothing to do with the gospel going out to teh gentiles.

Once again this was a mystery in the old revealed in the New!

 

[BABerean2]

Jesus is the mediator of the New covenant! Now show me in history where all of the house of Israel and Judah had their sins remitted. Are you suggesting all Jews since Jesus death are automatically forgiven?

The verse below says only a "remnant" of Israel will be saved, instead of "all" as you are implying.
Do you think Paul was wrong when he quoted the Old Testament scripture below?

Rom 9:27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: "THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL BE AS THE SAND OF THE SEA, THE REMNANT WILL BE SAVED.



Who was Peter talking to on the Day of Pentecost, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant? The Gentiles were not grafted into the Church until several years later.

Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."



Do you think Paul was confused below in his letter to the church at Corinth?

2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?



Was the author of the Book of Hebrews confused below?

Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.


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[BABerean2]

You are beginning to sound like the Muslims who demand a verse of Jesus saying "I am God".

The new covenant is in verse 46, and is the gospel of Salvation that Christians have taught and spread since the beginning in Luke 24:44-48.

Luke 24:
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

How many of the New Covenant verses below contain a reference to the resurrection?

How many of these verses contain a reference to Christ's death, or His blood?



Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—

Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.


I rest my case.

You are promoting a "boondoggle", once again.


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[nolidad]

The verse below says only a "remnant" of Israel will be saved, instead of "all" as you are implying.
Do you think Paul was wrong when he quoted the Old Testament scripture below?

Rom 9:27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: "THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL BE AS THE SAND OF THE SEA, THE REMNANT WILL BE SAVED.



Who was Peter talking to on the Day of Pentecost, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant? The Gentiles were not grafted into the Church until several years later.

Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."



Do you think Paul was confused below in his letter to the church at Corinth?

2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?



Was the author of the Book of Hebrews confused below?

Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.


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Try reading Isaiah and you will see it is also prophesied in Zech. 13.

8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Also look up the definition of remnant:


rem·nant
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1. a small remaining quantity of something.

Also it doesn't matter when Gentiles starting receiving the gospel.

Yes Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant.

YOu forget that Hebrews was written to jews and the wroter was showing the contrast between old and new.

Ephesians 2:11-13
King James Version

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Romans 11:25-29
King James Version

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

The gospel is founded on teh blood of Jesus and yes we Gentiles are grafted into the place of blessing in the New Covenant- but it has not nullified what God intends of the new Covenant with the WHOLE house of Israel and Judah!

Once again ou are forced to say that either god automatically forgives the sins of every Jew in every generation, or God has yet to fulfill all parts of the Covenant yet, or God changed His mind and revoked the covenant knowing when He made this covenant that Israel would reject and kill their Messiah!

 

[iamlamad]

The mark of a genuine dispensationalist. When the words aren't there, then you don't NEED to find them there. Completely convenient.

"We" does not include me and a host of others in the Church of God inside and outside this forum.

No, not any particular group; just wise bible students. You can include yourself or not. It is truth: wise bible students KNOW that one verse or one passage does not necessarily include everything needed to form a sound doctrine. People that form doctrine from one passage often end up finding other passages that disagree with their theory.

 

[Douggg]

I rest my case.

It is not, was not, a requirement of Christianity to confirm the new covenant in Christ for 7 years.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[mkgal1]

It is not, was not, a requirement of Christianity to confirm the new covenant in Christ for 7 years.

It wasn't a requirement in the covenant made at Mt Sinai either. Reading the Torah isn't confirming a covenant.

 

[jgr]

It is not, was not, a requirement of Christianity to confirm the new covenant in Christ for 7 years.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Only God or His Son could confirm covenants which They authored.

No one else could, did, can, or will.

Least of all your "opposer".

 

[Douggg]

It wasn't a requirement in the covenant made at Mt Sinai either. Reading the Torah isn't confirming a covenant.

The requirement is not to read the law by individuals as you are implying, like us Christians read the bible regularly.

It was a formal reading of the law to the assembly of the whole nation, from the place of God's choosing, on the feast of tabernacles, on a 7 year cycle. And the reason given in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.

12 Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this law:

13 And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear the LORD your God, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.

 

[Douggg]

Only God or His Son could confirm covenants which They authored.

The Mt. Sinai covenant was an agreement - which the children of Israel, answered the agreement with a "We do".

Exodus 24:3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.

The confirmation of the covenant for 7 years is confirming that "we do" that the children of Israel agreed to the law that God made as the foundation to the agreement.

 

[jgr]

The Mt. Sinai covenant was an agreement - which the children of Israel, answered the agreement with a "We do".

Exodus 24:3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.

The confirmation of the covenant for 7 years is confirming that "we do" that the children of Israel agreed to the law that God made as the foundation to the agreement.

You've claimed that Daniel 9:27 is the Sinai covenant, and that it is confirmed in Deuteronomy 31.

The word "confirm" does not appear in Deuteronomy 31.

The Holy Spirit inspired the usage of the word "confirm" more than thirty times throughout the entirety of Scripture.

He did not inspire the usage of the word "confirm" in Deuteronomy 31, because nothing was confirmed there.

But He did inspire the usage of the word "confirm" in Daniel 9:27.

Because Messiah the Prince confirmed the New Covenant in His Blood there.

Which only He could do.

 

[BABerean2]

It is not, was not, a requirement of Christianity to confirm the new covenant in Christ for 7 years.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Your "boondoggle" claim above only works by ignoring Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18, which reveal a time period when the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles.

I will continue to ask the same question, based on what Paul said in Romans 1:16.
When was the time period, and for how long was the time period, when the Gospel taken "first" to the Jews?


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[BABerean2]

Try reading Isaiah and you will see it is also prophesied in Zech. 13.

8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Also look up the definition of remnant:


rem·nant
/ˈremnənt/
Learn to pronounce
See definitions in:
All
Textlies
Religion
noun

1. a small remaining quantity of something.

Also it doesn't matter when Gentiles starting receiving the gospel.

Yes Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant.

YOu forget that Hebrews was written to jews and the wroter was showing the contrast between old and new.

Ephesians 2:11-13
King James Version

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Romans 11:25-29
King James Version

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

The gospel is founded on teh blood of Jesus and yes we Gentiles are grafted into the place of blessing in the New Covenant- but it has not nullified what God intends of the new Covenant with the WHOLE house of Israel and Judah!

Once again ou are forced to say that either god automatically forgives the sins of every Jew in every generation, or God has yet to fulfill all parts of the Covenant yet, or God changed His mind and revoked the covenant knowing when He made this covenant that Israel would reject and kill their Messiah!

You seem to be having trouble with the English language since you are attempting to define the word "remnant", as "all", and also as "the third part". Both cannot be correct.


God only forgives the sins of every Jew who accepts His Son.
There is no Plan B outside of the Church found in Romans 11, or anywhere else in the Bible.

You must ignore Paul's warning about genealogies in Titus 3:9 in order to make your form of Dual Covenant Theology work.

Anyone who claims the New Covenant has not yet been fulfilled, has thrown their Bible in the trash can in an attempt to make their man-made doctrine work.



Heb 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.


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[iamlamad]

You seem to be having trouble with the English language since you are attempting to define the word "remnant", as "all", and also as "the third part". Both cannot be correct.


God only forgives the sins of every Jew who accepts His Son.
There is no Plan B outside of the Church found in Romans 11, or anywhere else in the Bible.

You must ignore Paul's warning about genealogies in Titus 3:9 in order to make your form of Dual Covenant Theology work.

Anyone who claims the New Covenant has not yet been fulfilled, has thrown their Bible in the trash can in an attempt to make their man-made doctrine work.



Heb 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
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It seems very clear that those who write "duel covenant" have no idea what the bible really teaches.

Is it not written that Jesus is the ONLY DOORWAY to heaven? The Jews that don't have Jesus are lost, but yet still have unanswered promises made by God. If some here on this thread were God, these Jews would have a ZERO CHANCE of salvation. BUT GOD - that is the difference: God loves the Jews in spite of their ignorance of their own messiah. Coming soon, God is going to totally shatter their power (they trust in their IDF) until they have no hope left, and cry out to God just before they are totally annihilated.

In the end, they will SEE their Messiah - SEE the nail holes in his hands and feet - and will believe. This should remind people of Thomas - he had to SEE to believe, but in the end, he did believe. And in the end, "Jacob" will believe. So in the end, it is the SAME COVENANT with the SAME Messiah.

 

[iamlamad]

Your "boondoggle" claim above only works by ignoring Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18, which reveal a time period when the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles.

I will continue to ask the same question, based on what Paul said in Romans 1:16.
When was the time period, and for how long was the time period, when the Gospel taken "first" to the Jews?


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Jesus took the "gospel of the kingdom" to the Jews. He was sent ONLY to the Jews.

 

[iamlamad]

You've claimed that Daniel 9:27 is the Sinai covenant, and that it is confirmed in Deuteronomy 31.

The word "confirm" does not appear in Deuteronomy 31.

The Holy Spirit inspired the usage of the word "confirm" more than thirty times throughout the entirety of Scripture.

He did not inspire the usage of the word "confirm" in Deuteronomy 31, because nothing was confirmed there.

But He did inspire the usage of the word "confirm" in Daniel 9:27.

Because Messiah the Prince confirmed the New Covenant in His Blood there.

Which only He could do.

I suggest you do some study on "antecedents."

 

[iamlamad]

Paul indicated two things take place before the Day of Christ, the Day of the Lord, begins - in 2Thessalonians2. And another thing in 1Thessalonians5, of the world saying "peace and safety".

Of the two things in 2Thessalonians2, the first is the great falling. Then the second thing is the act of the great opposer to Jesus going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God. That is what triggers the Day of the Lord beginning.

The rapture could happen that very day, right before the act of stopping the daily sacrifice and the person's audacious act - we don't know for sure. The rapture could also happen in the next second - as well, and be within scriptural description of it.

This has been what many have believed for years, but it just does not fit the context as well as a departing as in the church leaving.

It must be one of two things hidden in that word, "apostasia:"
1. either a departing from the faith, as the KJV implies,

2. or a departing as Strong's implies as a part of a whole group removed spatially to a different location so quickly it would seem as if the rest of the group were standing still.

Since in verse 3b the man of sin IS revealed, then either 1 or 2 above is the restrainer "take out of the way." Since it is God that know when the man of sin should be revealed, then it is God that knows when the restrainer should be "taken out of the way." I leave it up to the readers:

Which of the two choices above fits GOD involved in the restrainer being "taken out of the way," best?

That is what triggers the Day of the Lord beginning. That is not the best translation of "at hand." It is better to say "is present." Paul's argument is simple: when one sees the great departing first, then sees the man of sin revealed, they will know the day has started and THEY ARE IN IT.

 

[BABerean2]

Jesus took the "gospel of the kingdom" to the Jews. He was sent ONLY to the Jews.

How long was that period of time?

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