Halloween and "cultural appropriation".

[muichimotsu]

Because people thought she was African American or at least mixed. When it became obvious that she wasn't mixed but white, that's when her position became untenable as she'd misled people.

The rest is the usual ignorant comparisons between gender and race, neither of which people can alter on a whim.

No one said you could, because gender is not sex and not a phenotype like race is, in the same vein as being a Siamese or Bombay cat, you're still a cat and a black person, regardless of their amount of melanin, would be black and a human, like a white person or Asian person is. Race is also distinct from ethnicity or nationality, something I still get mixed up myself, but am trying to get better at

 

[muichimotsu]

Yeah because those blacks flying confederate flags are obviously racist against themselves!

They're enabling a system that, in both manifestations, original and modern, was demeaning and marginalizing them. Their ignorance is not an excuse to try and and take a symbol that cannot really be severed from its historical context or the recent usage to resist integration by the Dixiecrats. Internalized racism is a thing, just because you're incredulous doesn't make it invalid with even a few minutes of honestly looking at the idea

 

[muichimotsu]

Does Pence emphasize his ethnicity to give himself some political advantage? You are still missing the point. Would she emphasize being black if there was biase among most Americans against blacks as people here are trying to claim. Systemic racism doesn't make any sense unless you can illustrate that minorities have a disadvantage. If it's actually an advantage politically or in getting a job, then there's no biase that can be shown.

The biases are not 100%, they will vary by area in terms of moving forward from that white privilege that culture continues to give whites, they have the benefit of the doubt, they aren't violent or needing several police officers to address, they aren't causing trouble, they don't "all look the same,"

If you fit into a particular stereotype regarding being black, that can give you an advantage in the sense that you're playing into what whites continue to encourage as how blacks "ought" to behave.

Incidental successes by blacks or incidental failures by whites are not any significant demonstration against the idea of systemic racism, because they're the exception to the rule that we can observe more often than not

 

[muichimotsu]

I didn't say their existence doesn't mean they can't be marginalized. The trouble is, you all claim all these biases that you never illustrate. Implying I don't know what words mean just makes you come across as arrogant, BTW.

The biases exist in terms of pop culture having particular ideas of blackness, and still giving white people more presence relative to any minority, to say nothing of police mistreatment that's been a thing acknowledged in no small part since the 60s.

Fundamentally you appear to not be looking except in a way that fits your preconception that the problem can somehow be fixed with mere legislation or such rather than fundamental recognition of problems in society that favor whites, even in a way that to whites, doesn't seem unfair (because they're benefiting from that system from the start, those in privilege don't always recognize that they are privileged or the damage they cause or enable by inaction and complacency)

 

[muichimotsu]

In that case, I'm black too. I'm sure I can find some dark skin in my ancestory if I look hard enough.

That's not the same as being black, even Family Guy pointed out how dumb that idea was practically 20 years ago. Ancestry is not the same as one's appearance and cultural identity is more than a whim, and race is pretty generally not about ethnicity, they can merely overlap, but each means something distinct in what it refers to.

If anything, blackness is less ambiguous than Hispanic, which is why there are those inquiries on surveys supposedly, since one can identify as Hispanic without necessarily looking like the stereotype.

This isn't gatekeeping for race, it's considering that you can't affirm a race as much as you can have meaningful cultural exchange to enrich yourself more rather than try to change an identity that doesn't need changing. Everyone's differences for race are superficial, but that doesn't mean they should be ignored either.

 

[muichimotsu]

We are all mixed ancestory. Reminds me of those people coming to pow wows so they can find their 2 percent of Indian blood and proudly go around claiming they are indian.

There's a difference between ancestry and the mixing of two explicit racial groups, making one biracial. Or have you never heard the term? The more you know!

2% is virtually nothing and I'm almost certain that doesn't count for most tribes who take it seriously.

 

[renniks]

They're enabling a system that, in both manifestations, original and modern, was demeaning and marginalizing them. Their ignorance is not an excuse to try and and take a symbol that cannot really be severed from its historical context or the recent usage to resist integration by the Dixiecrats. Internalized racism is a thing, just because you're incredulous doesn't make it invalid with even a few minutes of honestly looking at the idea

Blah blah, are you sure you're not a politician? You sure say a lot of nothing. Symbols are what we make them... And for some southern people that flag just equals southern pride, and they don't care about your opinion of it.

 

[renniks]

Ancestry is not the same as one's appearance and cultural identity

Black isn't a race... it's a color. Glad we agree now. So a light skinned person of mixed blood ain't black.

 

[renniks]

The biases are not 100%, they will vary by area in terms of moving forward from that white privilege that culture continues to give whites, they have the benefit of the doubt, they aren't violent or needing several police officers to address, they aren't causing trouble, they don't "all look the same,"

If you fit into a particular stereotype regarding being black, that can give you an advantage in the sense that you're playing into what whites continue to encourage as how blacks "ought" to behave.

Incidental successes by blacks or incidental failures by whites are not any significant demonstration against the idea of systemic racism, because they're the exception to the rule that we can observe more often than not

Again saying a whole lot to say nothing... because what you're trying to explain can't be defined, because it can't be proven to exist.

 

[Aldebaran]

Ah, the arrogance and condescension is just dripping: as if white people are monolithic and if they're not like you they must be wrong somehow, possibly even race traitors, who knows what term you'd use

You seem offended by just about everything I write. Now, why is that? Sensitive much?

 

[Aldebaran]

Something doesn't go away just because we forget or even legitimately don't know in general and progress is not erasure, it's acknowledging the bad aspects and moving past them. We can innovate cultural traditions without stepping on minorities

Finding ways to become offended won't go away as long as certain communities keep inventing and passing along their hatred of white people, teaching their children that white people are their enemy.

 

[Aldebaran]

That's...literally the opposite of what happens. Noone gave Rachel Dolezal the time of day.

Of course not! When they found out she is white....

 

[Triumvirate]

Of course not! When they found out she is white....

Not sure what your point is champ or what it has to do with what we were just talking about in those quotes

But the important thing is you think it's clever, and that's special.

 

[Aldebaran]

Not sure what your point is champ or what it has to do with what we were just talking about in those quotes

But the important thing is you think it's clever, and that's special.

They turned against her when they found out she was actually white. It turned out that you gotta be black to be a leader of a black organization. Being white is apparently a disqualification.
It's a pity I had to explain all this to you.

 

[Triumvirate]

They turned against her when they found out she was actually white. It turned out that you gotta be black to be a leader of a black organization. Being white is apparently a disqualification.
It's a pity I had to explain all this to you.

Ok, and what does that have to do with what we were just talking about?

We were talking about gender and race being seen as identities a second ago. Why have you jumped topic? You don't seem very serious about this.

 

[Aldebaran]

Ok, and what does that have to do with what we were just talking about?

We were talking about gender and race being seen as identities a second ago. Why have you jumped topic? You don't seem very serious about this.

I see you aren't putting things together very well, so I'll try to help.

Yes, we were talking about gender and race. Race (African American) is what this WOMAN (sex) used as her IDENTITY, and was looked down upon by others who also identify by that race, and was ousted from her position because she wasn't the correct race for them.

 

[muichimotsu]

Blah blah, are you sure you're not a politician? You sure say a lot of nothing. Symbols are what we make them... And for some southern people that flag just equals southern pride, and they don't care about your opinion of it.

You not wanting to address the content of what I say and just dismiss it is more indicative of you saying effectively nothing in brief snippets like you do

No, symbols are not relativistic, their historical usage is undeniable, especially in the intent. And trying to make something that was not just used once, but twice to marginalized black people as something else when it was clear in the political intent that the flag was used in its modern revival as a symbol of white supremacy is patently idiotic and historical negationism.

People still try to deny the Confederacy was even founded on white supremacy at all, it's no wonder people will ignorantly insist the flag can mean whatever it wants even though it has a distinct history that is connected to white supremacy.

 

[muichimotsu]

I see you aren't putting things together very well, so I'll try to help.

Yes, we were talking about gender and race. Race (African American) is what this WOMAN (sex) used as her IDENTITY, and was looked down upon by others who also identify by that race, and was ousted from her position because she wasn't the correct race for them.

Woman is not sex, get with the program, it's a social construct versus the scientific description for female, which is sex, like how we use to even describe plants, let alone animals.

But I never said I agreed race was something you could just identify with at a whim, you're strawmanning me, not to mention the NAACP

 

[muichimotsu]

Black isn't a race... it's a color. Glad we agree now. So a light skinned person of mixed blood ain't black.

No, it is a race in terms of what it can mean, it's polysemous. No one is saying they're black in the chromatic sense, they're saying black as in synonymous with that racial group that covers not just Africans but other dark skinned ethnic groups

Actually they can be, it's called the biracial category I brought up, you're engaging in massive reductionism and essentialism about traits that are not as simple as you want them to be

 

[muichimotsu]

Ok, and what does that have to do with what we were just talking about?

We were talking about gender and race being seen as identities a second ago. Why have you jumped topic? You don't seem very serious about this.

The red herring defense, methinks?