Do People Believe Homosexuality Still Abomination To God?

[hedrick]

I can’t say that I disagree with you concerning the context. But that doesn’t change the fact that homosexuality is specifically mentioned in Romans as sinful.

The term homosexual means someone with a particular sexual orientation. Paul's comments have two very clear qualifications:
* they are about pagans
* they are about people who abandoned their natural orientation for same-gender sex

Attempts to apply this to Christian gays fail both tests.

Is it conceivable that Paul might condemn same-gender sex in one setting, but that this might not apply in general? Ask yourself whether the many condemnations of illicit opposite-gender sex imply a general rejection of opposite-gender sex?

So why is Rom 1 not interpreted with the same care?

Incidentally, we know a fair amount of how same-gender sex was practice in Rom. I absolutely agree with Paul's condemnation of it in the pagan Roman context that is so explicitly referred to.

 

[Quartermaine]

Most heterosexuals do not get HIV, unless it is through sex with a homosexual, dirty needle or improperly screened transfusion. The U.S. tests donated blood to reduce the incidence of HIV transmission.

Promiscuity is wrong as it is either adultery or premarital sex/fornication forbidden in the Bible.

two points:

First
the world health organization notes that the vast majority of known cases of HIV/AIDS, about 74%, occurs in women and children.

Second specifically in the united states the majority of HIV/AIDS cases are in African Americans...does this fact justify racism?

 

[Quartermaine]

Obviously it's minor enough to allow these men and women be His best friend and prophets.

And exactly what do you know about obesity and it's causes?
What do you do when hungry?
What do you do if you have a lifetime of never having hunger feelings satisfied?
What if there's actual real medical science that proved that most obese people are not really to blame for their condition? (It's real and the findings have been verified for many of the causes)

so it's inborn....just like sexual orientation

 

[Quartermaine]

Why do proponents of sodomy resort to this sort of language? Accusing their opponents of hate instead of being genuine? As if we can't oppose a thing without hating it. Generally those who oppose homosexuality oppose sex before marriage, do we hate those people too? Do we literally hate everyone because everyone, including ourselves, is a sinner?

do Christians call those who have premarital sex evil?


If Christians said the things they do about homosexuals about any other minority it would be called hate, and rightly so.

 

[hedrick]

two points:

First
the world health organization notes that the vast majority of known cases of HIV/AIDS, about 74%, occurs in women and children.

Second specifically in the united states the majority of HIV/AIDS cases are in African Americans...does this fact justify racism?

No. However we need to be honest about the fact that certain types of sex are particularly dangerous. However despite high rates, most gay people don't have AIDS. Why not? There are a number of ways to protect yourself. For Christians the obvious one is to be married and faithful to your partner. This is, of course, an issue for heterosexuals also. But we need to be clear that gays need to take this kind of precaution more seriously.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

do Christians call those who have premarital sex evil?


If Christians said the things they do about homosexuals about any other minority it would be called hate, and rightly so.

No, we call it sinful. Along with a plethora of other behaviors. Therin lies the distinction. It isn't about hate but recognizing what God expects if us and others.

Mind you, heterodox people like yourself tend to have no problem with relations beyond marriage.

 

[pescador]

In case anyone is interested, the description of "abomination" ought be relegated to the Sinful behavior and lifestyle choices, not to the mere fact they exist as people, favorites of God, prophets, or not....We are to Hate the Sin but Love the Sinner, right?

Just because God uses Gluttonous, sinful people for His purposes, does not mean God approves of their sinful, gluttonous lifestyle choices.

Their SIN is the abomination that is being celebrated and shoved in our faces everywhere we go, not their humanity. God Loves all of us as people, and hates our willful sins.
I feel the same way.

Since getting drunk is also a sin that leads to death, why don't we close all the bars and stop selling the alcohol drug to those sinners? We glorify liquor in this society, but it leads to death.

 

[JohnDB]

so it's inborn....just like sexual orientation

Fake news and fake science is what supports this claim.

I've seen the data... understand the science.
I'd rather stay with the truth.

Where homosexuals believe they have no choice...they don't because of the self imposed curse they have run towards.

The natural order created by God is holy...meaning self regulating.
Now if it weren't for "common grace" mankind would have been gone long ago. But instead we have been allowed to continue and continue to sin. The whole of creation desiring to remove us from itself but God's hand giving us a particular measure of protection.

However,
When someone exceeds their limit of common grace by their superfluity of naughtiness...they win the "darwin award" by nature and only desire those of the same sex...IOW not allowed to procreate by nature. The limits exceeded, nature wins.

Anyone or anything that doesn't live according to God's plan is removed from existence either slowly or immediately.

 

[pescador]

Fake news and fake science is what supports this claim.

I've seen the data... understand the science.
I'd rather stay with the truth.

Where homosexuals believe they have no choice...they don't because of the self imposed curse they have run towards.

The natural order created by God is holy...meaning self regulating.
Now if it weren't for "common grace" mankind would have been gone long ago. But instead we have been allowed to continue and continue to sin. The whole of creation desiring to remove us from itself but God's hand giving us a particular measure of protection.

However,
When someone exceeds their limit of common grace by their superfluity of naughtiness...they win the "darwin award" by nature and only desire those of the same sex...IOW not allowed to procreate by nature. The limits exceeded, nature wins.

Anyone or anything that doesn't live according to God's plan is removed from existence either slowly or immediately.

Are you okay????

You write, "I've seen the data... understand the science", yet you provide neither, so who will believe you? Strike one.

Holy means self-regulating? Holy means set apart. The dictionary definition is "dedicated or consecrated to God or a religious purpose; sacred" It does not mean self-regulation. Strike two.

"The whole of creation desiring to remove us from itself but God's hand giving us a particular measure of protection" means nothing. Where do you come up with something like this? Certainly not from the Bible. Strike three.

You're out!

 

[Quartermaine]

No, we call it sinful.

That is strange because in they have been called:
Evidence for Satan post # 67
Perversion post #79
diseased post #80
people who should hide post # 18
prideful post # 81
evil post # 82
a punishment from God post #86
immature post #87
shameful Post #87
basically incapable of love Post #87
Cursed post #115
warped post #115
satanic post #124
and quite a few other things

This is what hate looks like

 

[lismore]

In the Torah God forbid the Jews from eating certain kinds of food, one of those forbidden foods is shellfish--lobster, crab, shrimp, oysters, etc. And the eating of shellfish is called an abomination.

Tastes like rubber?

An interesting aside. I remember reading a quarterly journal at the Uni talking about leprosy in Late Medieval Scotland. A squirrel was recently tested for the disease and found to be a carrier. Pigs can also transmit leprosy to humans. Both were on the menu. Following the OT dietary rules would have reduced the risk of being infected with leprosy. I think it's reasonable to assume that God doesn't just say things to fill up the page, it's all for a reason. God Bless

 

[pescador]

That is strange because in they have been called:
Evidence for Satan post # 67
Perversion post #79
diseased post #80
people who should hide post # 18
prideful post # 81
evil post # 82
a punishment from God post #86
immature post #87
shameful Post #87
basically incapable of love Post #87
Cursed post #115
warped post #115
satanic post #124
and quite a few other things

This is what hate looks like

EXACTLY!!

 

[lismore]

Since getting drunk is also a sin that leads to death, why don't we close all the bars and stop selling the alcohol drug to those sinners? We glorify liquor in this society, but it leads to death.

The Volstead Act! God Bless

 

[Quartermaine]

Fake news and fake science is what supports this claim.

research that finds things you don't happen to like doesn't make it fake.

I've seen the data... understand the science.

i doubt that.

there are literally thousands of studies on the subject so i'm sure you haven't seen even a fraction of the data. and if you understood it you wouldn't be claiming out of hand that it was false.

 

[Quartermaine]

Tastes like rubber?

An interesting aside. I remember reading a quarterly journal at the Uni talking about leprosy in Late Medieval Scotland. A squirrel was recently tested for the disease and found to be a carrier. Pigs can also transmit leprosy to humans. Both were on the menu. Following the OT dietary rules would have reduced the risk of being infected with leprosy. I think it's reasonable to assume that God doesn't just say things to fill up the page, it's all for a reason. God Bless

the only animal that has been shown to transmit leprosy to humans is the armadillo....which according to God's dietary laws are just fine for eating.

 

[pescador]

The Volstead Act! God Bless

Right! In other words, banning sinful activity of any kind not only doesn't stop it, it increases it!

My Bible talks about the law, which was added so that sin might increase.

"The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase." Romans 5:20

 

[Aussie Pete]

What does the God of the creation think about homosexuality? He is very clear on identifying the act of homosexuality as a sin. If an individual sows iniquity, they will reap corruption. Those of us that believe and know the Truth are not careful to say…“There is a pestilence in the land because of ‘homosexual’ activity.”

There has been an increase in the acceptance of homosexuality in our country as indicated by the figures collected by the U.S. Census.
NOV. 19, 2019 — For the first time, the U.S. Census Bureau released estimates of same-sex couples in its annual America’s Families and Living Arrangements tables package. According to estimates from the 2019 Current Population Survey Annual Social and Economic Supplement (CPS ASEC), there are 543,000 same-sex married couple households and 469,000 households with same-sex unmarried partners living together. This compares to 61.4 million opposite-sex married and 8 million opposite-sex unmarried partner households. In addition, 191,000 children live with same-sex parents.

The focus on same-sex couples reflects growing family diversity in the United States, which also includes unmarried partners living together. Among adults ages 18 and over, 18.5 million (7%) are living together, up from 14.2 million (6%) in 2009. Cohabiting couples also compose a larger share of all coupled households now, accounting for 12% of coupled households compared to 10% in 2009.

Even though the masses may accept this, do we believe the Most High God is accepting this?

The whole LGBTIQ etc movement is a direct attack on the purpose of God in creating mankind. Satan's alphabet soup gender blender denies the truth that God made male and female - and nothing else. If you want to point the finger, try looking in the mirror first. The rise of the homosexual lobby mirrors the decline of the church. The wrath of God is revealed by what He does not do, not what He does. (Romans 1:22). People reject God and His ways and then complain about the consequences. "Why does God not help us?" Why would He?

God has intervened countless times and in countless ways to save humanity from itself. Perhaps God's patience is wearing thin. He's letting us reap what we sow. Can anything be done? Sure. Judgement begins with the house of God. When Christians quit playing church and fighting other Christians, God will listen to us. We can pray and our nations will be restored. They will never be as they should be because the world is headed towards destruction. But at least the worst of man's folly will be restrained. We will have a little longer to preach the Kingdom of God and so fulfil the great commission.

 

[BobRyan]

What does the God of the creation think about homosexuality? He is very clear on identifying the act of homosexuality as a sin. If an individual sows iniquity, they will reap corruption. Those of us that believe and know the Truth are not careful to say…“There is a pestilence in the land because of ‘homosexual’ activity.”

Lev 18 talks about what happens to even the pagan nations around Israel if they engaged in specific abominations given enough time.

Romans 1 and also 1Cor 6 talk about this subject as well.

however there are "other factors" besides the Bible that come into play when it comes to how someone will choose to respond to this topic.

Romania is an interesting case in point. Their laws were against same-sex unions but then the U.S., Canada, and the EU forced them to change their laws by using leverage related to partnerships, security agreements. etc.

 

[lismore]

Talking about OT dietary laws, If we today had followed these then the covid pandemic would not have happened.

China’s BIBLICAL mistake: Old Testament bans consumption of ‘coronavirus-carrying’ bats

 

[lismore]

the only animal that has been shown to transmit leprosy to humans is the armadillo....which according to God's dietary laws are just fine for eating.

Squirrels and Pigs have also been shown. God Bless