Joyous Song said:
↑ Besides last I checked Judah is back in the holy land and Joel is clear, Judah will never be exiled again. A few Jews might be but the entire tribe will remain in the holy land till E’phraim comes home and the Moshiach returns.
Karus: Bible prophecy is clear: the entire holy Land will be cleared and cleansed. Only a few Messianic Jews will survive by hiding underground.
Isaiah 29:1-4,
Deuteronomy 32:34-43,
Zephaniah 1:1-18,
Jeremiah 10:18, +
This will happen on the Lord's terrible Day of fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, but centered on the Middle east.
Zephaniah 2:1-12,
Isaiah 22:1-14
JS: First that prophecy found in Is.29.1-4 is Ariel, the symbolic name of Jerusalem. So even if that passage is of the end times it only referencing Zech.14.1-2 where only a part of Judah is exiled. Duet.32.34-43 is most likely a former time, and Zephaniah 1:1-18 sounds like history as well as there are no longer kings in Judah or the Holy Temple within Jerusalem today. Jer.1-18 is the same, that was Babylon coming down.
Still I can see modern Israel perhaps in Zeph.2.1-12 this maybe the end times but its also Jerusalem which again Zechariah confirms. Judah, the tribe will never face another Babylon or Roman captivity and exile according to Joel (2.18-27), but Jerusalem will. Clearly, why else would the nations just before the end, after those witnesses die march to mount Middego, northern of Israel, unless Jew were there on that mountain to meet them and Cry out, “Blessed is He Who comes in the Name of the L-rd” when Christ is in the clouds?
Joyous Song said:
↑ But as regards election, they are beloved for their forefathers sake- period. So please do not judge our brothers in J
Karus: This scripture refers to all of Jacobs descendants. Mostly the House of Israel, the ten Northern tribes, still scattered among the nations.
JS: Not according to context, that “but” refers back to those who became “enemies to the Gospels for your sake (the gentiles/Roman sake)”. Ephraim was exiled for over 300 years by then and already greatly scattered and absorbed.
Further, this is a mystery that requires humility, 25, and what follows is also links back to Judah. Still its also true those gifts and call upon Judah also rests upon Ephraim if they want to be seen as Judah’s younger brother and not as Goyim. So in another sense, it rests upon all Israel when they are joined as one as well but at that time this text was written the only visible descendants Paul would be referencing was Judah.
Karus: Ezekiel 20:34-38 is the best prophecy about when all of Abraham's descendants come back to the holy Land; those people the Israelites of God; ALL accepted by their faith in the Lord alone. Ethnicity has nothing to do with it, but the majority will honor God's Promise to the Patriarchs.
JS: This passage above is of Ephraim return, but this return is also connected to Judah, in Ez.37. There the first century’s unity between Jews (House of Judah, and all Israel associated with him) and gentiles (The House of Joseph (The stick of Ephraim) and all those associated with him), 16, are mentioned. When we ask: “Will you not show me what you mean by this”, 18, HaShem, praise be He, will once again bring unity between the brothers.
Yet this time that unity starts with Ephraim, (the stick of Joseph (which is in the hand of Ephraim) and the tribes of Israel associated with him) and the Stick of Judah and make theses one. There are two important changes to the earlier text. First, this time that unity seems to be in Ephraim’s hand, or control, and these are those
tribes associated with him.
Ephraim today can be located through archaeological evidence and Biblical clues. Tribes now are visible as leading or in some cases majority members of several western and a few eastern nations. Even as Judah within the body has become visible as a distinct tribe. Judah on the other hand is just Judah (No Jew today calls himself “of the tribe of Benjamin” or any other tribe as Paul did back when he wrote) because today Jews are Jews whatever tribe they originally came into Judah from.
Fact is, the end time prophecies above in Ezekiel you quoted, would never had happened if all Jews had accepted Christ Jesus as their Moshiach back when He came. This is because the only way for Ez.20.34-38 to come to pass is where we recover what was lost, 43. We also had to bring in non Hebrews whose names were written in the Book of Life.
What could we recover what was lost? Those measures of those precepts, Is,28.13, that our brothers in Judah codified thousands of years ago in Yevnah, gleaning these one by one from the precepts found in the Bible. They did this and still thriving against the many pogroms and murderous acts of those who should have known better, Matt.6.12, 7.1-5, 18.10-14, 23-35 and Rom.11.17-22.
Indeed there are numerous passages where Christians are warned not to judge those blind, We are even warned to be very careful judging each other, Gal.6.1-10! This is because even though we are under grace we do not always see clearly and in consequence judge unwisely:
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For now we see into the mirror dimly, but then face to Face. Now I know in part; then I will understand fully, even as I have been filly understood. So faith, hope and love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love.” 1 Cor.13-12-13
The Greatest is Love, love of brother, neighbor and even our enemies. Christ gave us a higher bar and then grace and mercy (if we in turn give mercy) to hep bare these burdens.