Jesus Christ Shed His Blood for Judas

[Bond-servant of Christ]

Think about this. Do people hate God and worship idols if Calvin is right about God?

so you admit that Calvin is right about John 3:16? answer, yes or no?

 

[Bond-servant of Christ]

It's so people identify me in that trend and not in yours or any other.

I am done with wasting my time with you, who is blinded to Bible Truth!

 

[FreeGrace2]

I said:
"I am just amazed at how much you dodge and deflect from my questions. Why?

There are several ways to interpret scripture. You can easily make it say what you want it to say.

You have certainly done that. In spades.

I provided verses that plainly SAY that Christ died for everyone.

You made a claim to the contrary from John 10, yet all you have done is DODGE when asked for what verse says that.

So you have demonstrated that YOU have "made it (verses) say what YOU want it to say".

 

[Dave L]

I am done with wasting my time with you, who is blinded to Bible Truth!

Perhaps what I say will make sense someday. Blessings

 

[Dave L]

so you admit that Calvin is right about John 3:16? answer, yes or no?

What did he say?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Bond-servant of Christ said: ↑
can you read Greek? It says that these DID NOT, and not COULD NOT. There is a BIG difference here. The former is something that the people do themselves; the latter, where they can only do what they are allowed to. Do you get this?

It all means the same.

You have a lot of boldness to make up what you want to believe.

But everyone else KNOWS that "did not" and "could not" are quite different.

 

[Dave L]

you seriously need help!

How many pastors cannot come clean without losing their jobs? Why did Paul make tents?

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said: ↑
You did NOT. You claimed that Jesus said he "didn't die" for the Pharisees and I've been asking for the verse that says this. And all you've done is dodge.

And now you are not being truthful by saying you "gave Scripture". No, you did NOT.

You've just dodged and dodged from answering.

How much would you lose in your church standing if you agreed with me?

Would you please STOP dodging my questions. Your 'responses' are basically nonsense questions.

You CAN'T give any verse that supports your claims, so you deflect to something else.

You are demonstrating your total lack of support from Scripture.

 

[Dave L]

what complete rubbish! so God controls the "will" of the murderer, the rapist, the child molester??? So, God CAUSES the sins that we committ???

This is true. All are under his wrath. Ony a few, the elect, for whom Christ died, are not.

 

[Dave L]

FreeGrace2 said: ↑
You did NOT. You claimed that Jesus said he "didn't die" for the Pharisees and I've been asking for the verse that says this. And all you've done is dodge.

And now you are not being truthful by saying you "gave Scripture". No, you did NOT.

You've just dodged and dodged from answering.

Would you please STOP dodging my questions. Your 'responses' are basically nonsense questions.

You CAN'T give any verse that supports your claims, so you deflect to something else.

You are demonstrating your total lack of support from Scripture.

I'm only trying to evaluate why you hold your position.

 

[Dave L]

Bond-servant of Christ said: ↑
can you read Greek? It says that these DID NOT, and not COULD NOT. There is a BIG difference here. The former is something that the people do themselves; the latter, where they can only do what they are allowed to. Do you get this?

You have a lot of boldness to make up what you want to believe.

But everyone else KNOWS that "did not" and "could not" are quite different.

It works out the same.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Man is accountable but God controls his will through the reasons he complies with.

I don't think you even understand what "accountable" means then.

If God is doing the controlling, then man CANNOT be accountable.

Don't you understand that to be accountable, means that YOU make choices.

If God is controlling, then He alone is accountable for all the sin in the world.

But I bet you never thought that far.

 

[Dave L]

I said:
"I am just amazed at how much you dodge and deflect from my questions. Why?

You have certainly done that. In spades.

I provided verses that plainly SAY that Christ died for everyone.

You made a claim to the contrary from John 10, yet all you have done is DODGE when asked for what verse says that.

So you have demonstrated that YOU have "made it (verses) say what YOU want it to say".

I happen to agree with the Historic Church as provided in the Creeds. Most today don't even know what they say.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I'm only trying to evaluate why you hold your position.

Why can't you just answer my questions? Why all the dodging and deflecting?

 

[Dave L]

I don't think you even understand what "accountable" means then.

If God is doing the controlling, then man CANNOT be accountable.

Don't you understand that to be accountable, means that YOU make choices.

If God is controlling, then He alone is accountable for all the sin in the world.

But I bet you never thought that far.

Are you accountable if you die in infancy? The wages of sin are death....

 

[FreeGrace2]

Bond-servant of Christ said: ↑
can you read Greek? It says that these DID NOT, and not COULD NOT. There is a BIG difference here. The former is something that the people do themselves; the latter, where they can only do what they are allowed to. Do you get this?

You have a lot of boldness to make up what you want to believe.

But everyone else KNOWS that "did not" and "could not" are quite different.

It works out the same.

More deflection. That isn't the issue. The words "could not" indicate inability. "did not" indicate a choice, which means an ability.

But you know you can't agree with that fact of reality.

 

[Dave L]

Why can't you just answer my questions? Why all the dodging and deflecting?

You ask the wrong questions.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I said:
"I am just amazed at how much you dodge and deflect from my questions. Why?

I happen to agree with the Historic Church as provided in the Creeds. Most today don't even know what they say.

You just deep dodging and dodging. Why?

This discussion isn't about the Creeds or historic church.

 

[Dave L]

Bond-servant of Christ said: ↑
can you read Greek? It says that these DID NOT, and not COULD NOT. There is a BIG difference here. The former is something that the people do themselves; the latter, where they can only do what they are allowed to. Do you get this?

You have a lot of boldness to make up what you want to believe.

But everyone else KNOWS that "did not" and "could not" are quite different.

More deflection. That isn't the issue. The words "could not" indicate inability. "did not" indicate a choice, which means an ability.

But you know you can't agree with that fact of reality.

Quote the verse and let's look at it.

 

[Dave L]

I said:
"I am just amazed at how much you dodge and deflect from my questions. Why?

You just deep dodging and dodging. Why?

This discussion isn't about the Creeds or historic church.

You cannot ignore them and be considered part of Christendom.